Discussion Why are there so many regulars here?? Also, hot take, don't kill yourself (probably) lol

[spellbound]

There's also some perspectives on death and suicide and reasons not to that I gave that I think are frequently not given because so much 'suicide prevention' is just 'uhhh don't do it, duh, it gets better, duh, we'll lock you up anyways if you really try'. It's an important perspective to give imo.

Your groundbreaking suicide prevention arguments in this post:
- Your loved ones will be very sad
- You can't feel relief because you can't feel anything once you're dead
- You just have to wait cause you gonna die anyways
I wouldn't call those "frequently not given", it's genuinely the first thing every pro-lifer has to say when they find out you're suicidal

 

[interna]

i get what you're trying to say. that death cannot actually bring forward relief, as death is nothingness and relief is a feeling, and you can only feel while alive. but the thought of death definitely is relieving to a majority of us, independently of how dying itself feels.

also, your way of approaching it still reads like you're policing suicide. there's not a single suicidal person who hasn't heard this before. plus, you yourself said it, living for the sake of others is miserable.

your intentions are good, so you shouldn't be shamed for them. but i assume you knew bringing pro-lifer rhetoric up here would stir up things

 

[Intoxicated]

Almost no one can truly understand the idea of nothingness, we create abstractions of death because Life is all we know

I think, I clearly understood what death means when I first faced it closely at the age of nearly 8 yo. I feel pity for the level of intelligence of adult people who still can't figure out what implications of death are.

But defining relief as the 'reduction or end of pain' is based on a person there to experience that reduction or end.

That additional condition is not stated anywhere in the given dictionaries; and even if it were stated, the word 'relief' could still be used in the metaphorical (or more general) sense as simply "end of suffering" without the baggage of artificial restrictions like "the implied person must be conscious" or "the implied person must be alive". In the most general sense, relief is any transition from greater discomfort to less discomfort. Since the absence of consciousness can imply less discomfort than some painful or highly depressive conscious state, shutting down consciousness (whether temporarily or permanently) can provide relief in the given general sense.

 

[Lamentice]

once again not really hearing what I'm saying. The point of my posts is thoughts I was having and putting them out there. I think it's not great to be here for people. I think the 'in-between' fucks with you. I worry about it being a public site. There's also some perspectives on death and suicide and reasons not to that I gave that I think are frequently not given because so much 'suicide prevention' is just 'uhhh don't do it, duh, it gets better, duh, we'll lock you up anyways if you really try'. It's an important perspective to give imo.


All I can speak of is myself. I don't know your life, you don't know mine. But there are surely similarities. So I thought sharing thoughts I was having might be good. I don't have a clear option to be frank with you. I'm stuck in ambivilance to some level. I mean, I'm buying SN. But yk.

I completely disagree. This site has been positive for me, even if you don't believe it could be because of your own biases. I did hear what you said, you can't speak accurately on what is "healthy" for another person, that's for them to decide. You don't know what's best for the individuals frequenting the site, again, that's only for them to know.

I didn't read any reason for not committing that is original, it's all stuff everyone has read or heard before. And we're all exhausted with it, this isn't the space, literally anywhere else online or irl is the space, this is literally the only singular space that is not centered around the same anit-suicide rhetoric. You don't understand how invaluable that is, fine, but it actually is positively invaluable for many people here.

 

[25menrunning]

i get what you're trying to say. that death cannot actually bring forward relief, as death is nothingness and relief is a feeling, and you can only feel while alive. but the thought of death definitely is relieving to a majority of us, independently of how dying itself feels.

also, your way of approaching it still reads like you're policing suicide. there's not a single suicidal person who hasn't heard this before. plus, you yourself said it, living for the sake of others is miserable.

your intentions are good, so you shouldn't be shamed for them. but i assume you knew bringing pro-lifer rhetoric up here would stir up things

Yeah, I have no idea how to phrase things really. And I'm too tired to sit and watch my wording ig. If I say this kind of stuff anywhere else, I'm told to 'seek help' and that the ways I say things are not good, that 'suicide isn't logical' and there's no use bringing logic into it, that me seeing it as nonetheless an option is bad. I see the positives and negatives of it. I've been through some awful shit. I'm trying to find better spaces now, and I think maybe I will, but it sucks that there's no in between.

On here, we have people that comment on every fucking post for 4+ years about how 'existing is torturous suffering' and 'death is beautiful' on posts from those who are vulnerable, people that have ambivalence, while never saying jack shit about themselves or their experiences, essentially egging people on. But I can't get upset at that here because people don't like that, and I can't get upset at that elsewhere because the fact that I am still suicidal is too scary for people, the fact that I spend time on this site at all.

We've essentially criminalised wanting to die, and stigmatised the shit out of it too. We say buzzwords like 'its ok to not be ok' and 'you're worth it' or whatever, we lock people up until they lie about being better whilst doing nothing to improve material conditions. We pretend we care about 'suicide prevention' while making disability payments less then is required to not be homeless, while making education worth so much money that either you need to luck out with parents or drown in debt for the rest of your life. We focus so much on preventing people from doing it that if someone mentions being suicidal the material conditions that made them suicidal are ignored because instead of being seen as a symptom, it's seen as a disease in and of itself. If I mention how my physical illness makes me suicidal to a doctor, no longer is the appointment about helping the illness (which would help the suicdiality), but it's about 'saftey planning' (whatever that means).

The reality of this system is that we push people to the extremes. I really like the model of 'alternatives to suicide' that I said before, and I like that there are a limited number of hotlines that don't call the police (though there are few). But it's a limited thing. Our practical criminalization of suicide creates places like this. Where people are presumed to be so far gone if they are on here that there's simply no point in entertaining why death might be a bad choice. Every choice has pros and cons. There is always a con. Even if you still decide to die.

I originally wasn't going to add the second half of the title of my post, but I added it to be honest so that more people would see it. I kinda regret that. I feel like people here have so much anger at those who have never been suicidal who want them to live (so-called 'pro-lifers') that they've projected that onto me. I'm bad socially and I'm too tired to double check everything I've written and cross check it with the audience and how me at me worst would have perceived it to make sure I come across the right way.

So me and this post has become a boogeyman of this evil, and all the fucking times I explain what I'm trying to say are ignored. I guess I just can't sympathise with suicidal people or chronically ill people or everyone that has it worse then me even after all these years of being in that spot. It's so tempting to reveal shit I've been through to show that and I fear I've already said too much identifiable info. Which I guess is the danger of this website. Even I forget. It's not safe.

I guess it's to be expected, and I'm taking the responses to heart too much. I'm just tired. But of course it would be like this. I empathize with those here. I see myself in you guys. I wish it wasn't so hard.

I'm so, so tired. I don't want to be so tired.

Your groundbreaking suicide prevention arguments in this post:
- Your loved ones will be very sad
- You can't feel relief because you can't feel anything once you're dead
- You just have to wait cause you gonna die anyways
I wouldn't call those "frequently not given", it's genuinely the first thing every pro-lifer has to say when they find out you're suicidal

they're not suicide prevention arguments (and you also forgot the most attempts fail one). They're reasons why it might be the wrong choice. That's the difference. It was in a larger context of why doing things that might encourage people do die is bad in my perspective. There are also reasons for suicide, no one here is going to deny that. To argue that any decision, especially one as significant as this, has no negatives is just false.

And yeah, in my experience, they aren't that frequently given. Still are, but not that frequently, and often not understood because their weight is pretty significant. Other then the loved ones one, though people don't even know how to phrase that one. People act as if suicidal people can't think in my experience. And a lot of people have also never being suicidal enough to think about the 'why'. They just think that suicide is a crazy thing to do, so if you physically stop people from doing it or 'safety plan' eventually they'll 'wake up' and want to live again. Which I think is generally stupid, even if true in some cases.

Why do people insist its selfish to kill oneself?
Yeah it effects other but so does everything. It effects people if you say hi or just look at them funny. Existing effects people and so does not existing. How it effects you is up to you. Thats just life. You cant control your circumstances.
In the end you're just having a feeling about a decision someone else made.
So be mad be sad be whatever. It isnt everyone's duty to care.

never said it was selfish. People will be fucked up if you die, its almost a guarantee. Doesn't make it selfish, or at least that's not the right word to use. But the fact that it's still your decision to make (without judgement) doesn't erase the reality that it will fuck people up to hell and back.

 

[hurts2b]

I guess I'm a regular here. I think I'm just waiting to run out of student loan cash, and for some assurance that the only person who regularly speaks to me will be alright. My issue is poverty. I don't see a way out other than death. You can't be deprived of the necessities of life if you simply don't need things anymore. That's relief to me. You say that things could get better but I just don't think I want to hold out indefinitely for that. I am not well connected, so my death would have a small impact (if it even has any impact at all). I'm also a coward and my survival instinct is a bitch of a thing.

 

[25menrunning]

I guess I'm a regular here. I think I'm just waiting to run out of student loan cash, and for some assurance that the only person who regularly speaks to me will be alright. My issue is poverty. I don't see a way out other than death. You can't be deprived of the necessities of life if you simply don't need things anymore. That's relief to me. You say that things could get better but I just don't think I want to hold out indefinitely for that. I am not well connected, so my death would have a small impact (if it even has any impact at all). I'm also a coward and my survival instinct is a bitch of a thing.

hello me

 

[Phobia_DLW]

Back in my day, rage baiters and trolls actually put effort into their work

 

[diealegend24]

There's a lot of people here discussing sources and methods. A lot of people commenting, a lot of people dooming. I just don't really understand. Yes, there aren't really any posts here that explicitly and super easily tell you how to access certain chemicals or medications. But there's enough that with some digging you can certainly find it. As well as how to do things, and info on more common methods as well (not substances). So many people here will post stuff talking about how to kill yourself for years.

Some people (I'm assuming you know who I'm talking about) comment on nearly every popular post about how terrible life is and how much suicide is the solution and death is relief (which I'm against the premise of but whatever. Keep in mind I'm quite suicidal and I completely understand why someone would attempt, but the idea of death as relief or something nebulous or beautiful is just false which I think is sad and also dangerous).

Why are we telling people how to kill themselves? Why are these people who are so pro-suicide, still living and on this website? I suspect for many it's the kind of passive bridging active suicidality I and many others have struggled with for years. It's comforting to be able to bask in suicidality. It provides relief on some level.

But I will not assist people in killing themselves. There's honestly a lot of really good arguments not to. The impact on loved ones, or really anyone that knows you, is absolutely insane. Which isn't enough, but should sure as hell be highly considered. Everyone will die anyways. That's where a lot of existential dread comes from. Whether you kill yourself, spend your dies on this site, or live completely 'normally', death comes for us all. Infinite nothingness, a blip of something, and then more infinite nothingness. To shorten that blip is interesting. But the end is the same either way. Which can be relief. Suicide attempts often fail, and ruin peoples lives. Luckily, life can do it for you. And life WILL do it for you, whether you want it to or not. You just have to wait.

Death isn't relief. Releif is a feeling. You feel the pressure in your head, or pain around your neck, or excruciating stomach pain, or dizziness, and then...

End of sentence. That's it.

Life has potential to improve, for you to want to live it. You won't know if you end it. It also has potential to get worse, which is a lot of why I want to die. And it's exhausting. But logically, it's usually the wrong choice. Because the potential to improve or bring joy or be glad you lived outweighs the other options, since you'll get both eventually. Even if life gets worse, it'll end one day. Either option will take your life. Only one option leaves the door open for a blip of happiness.

I also don't want to encourage others to die, because selfish or not, it would weigh on me. If I feel like someone died because of me, that's haunting as fuck.




Now. I'm still suicidal. There's a good chance this is how I'll die. But I thought I'd mention why I think it's still the illogical decision in many cases, even if I give myself permission to be illogical to escape this pain and fatigue and uncertainty. Don't make a permanent decision you don't fully understand. And more of us then we'd like to think don't truly understand death.



That was a long tangent. My original question is why there are so many 'regulars' here. You'd assume by nature of the site they'd ether recover and leave or... something else. Doesn't take away from any pain or seriousness of this that they haven't yet. And again, for many, it makes sense. Though this isn't the healthiest nor safest place to vent. It's just weird to me.

If you want to improve, try to limit your time on this site. It has it's merits, notably being able to talk about being suicidal without people freaking so much. But it's not really good for you. Get what you need out of it, then limit your time. Bad actors are a concern too. That's my advice.

This is a really interesting post. I appreciate your insight.

 

[webb&flow]

Back in my day, rage baiters and trolls actually put effort into their work

I think that a post expressing an opinion that differs from the mainstream sentiments around this forum is not necessarily "ragebait", even if there may be dissenting expressions to it. This is one person expressing how they genuinely feel about suicide: and I know many other people on this forum who would affirm this viewpoint.

 

[Hystearical]

What do you mean when you say "regular"? If you mean members whose consistent participation has endured over the course of years I suppose that would include me in that category. But as such I can tell you that those people are very much a tiny minority of the total membership here. Most people as you note will eventually move on the forum, mostly to live, a small percentage to die. Activity of course remains more or less constant since like a rodent's teeth there is an endless influx of new members to replace those who depart.

Some people (I'm assuming you know who I'm talking about) comment on nearly every popular post about how terrible life is and how much suicide is the solution and death is relief (which I'm against the premise of but whatever. Keep in mind I'm quite suicidal and I completely understand why someone would attempt, but the idea of death as relief or something nebulous or beautiful is just false which I think is sad and also dangerous).

Why are we telling people how to kill themselves? Why are these people who are so pro-suicide, still living and on this website? I suspect for many it's the kind of passive bridging active suicidality I and many others have struggled with for years. It's comforting to be able to bask in suicidality. It provides relief on some level.

Yes, we know who you are talking about. That user doesn't have access to a method she finds acceptable. You might accuse her of being overly rigid when it comes how to die or of an unwillingness to be proactive in a way that belies what she constantly says but whatever. Those are just her standards period and that is why she is here. That is the concrete explanation.

Maybe you've noticed some other people who spout similar talk but have had a way out at their disposal. They may simply not feel ready or have not been able to overcome classic fear. Maybe you could say that the fear shouldn't be enough given what they constantly express. Well, again it's not really anyone's place to say that someone's hesitation or fear shouldn't a big enough obstacle to executing suicide.

(Also although these people may describe death in terms that you oppose, it's still obvious that they subscribe to the very same understanding of it that you do. Language like "peace" and "relief" as they use it to describe their own deaths is a function of their suffering and just a euphemistic way to refer to the cessation of it. Language is important but if I wanted to assess someone's understanding of their suicide I would go beyond just a few suspect terms. Of course there is a debate about the negative impact of the use of such terms on the wider community but when it strictly comes to the someone's INDIVIDUAL conception of their suicide then these words aren't really objectionable to my mind).

But I will not assist people in killing themselves.

Well you can set your own boundaries and make them as strict as you'd like. Though I will grant that when we participate here we are not 100% free of complicity in other people's demises. That doesn't rise to the level of responsibility or liability per se but to dome degree greater than 0 we are party to other people's passings. Some people are made too uncomfortable by that that they can't participate.

That was a long tangent. My original question is why there are so many 'regulars' here. You'd assume by nature of the site they'd ether recover and leave or... something else. Doesn't take away from any pain or seriousness of this that they haven't yet. And again, for many, it makes sense. Though this isn't the healthiest nor safest place to vent. It's just weird to me.

As I said there aren't that many. Since I'm one of the people you're alluding to I can tell you it's mainly fear and lack of faith in a smooth exit with an (un)healthy helping of emotional inertia. For as much as we can cerebrally talk about that kind of paralyzing fear, in practice it's a different story and what happens in practice matters a lot more than what seemingly shouldn't happen on paper.

There isn't really any other place that is as accommodating towards expressing these kinds of negative sentiments as this site is. "Safety" for that doesn't really exist elsewhere. But sure it may not be healthy but that aspect is simply specific to focusing on those kinds of feelings in general. So participating here may not be on balance conducive to recovery but many of the regulars you allude to aren't interested in that in the sense you mean when you talk about "recovery".

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Honestly, I consider most of the pro-life world to be completely and hopelessly brainwashed. And it's very frustrating to be surrounded by people who have the polar opposite view to your own in life. (even though I fully accept that it's their right to view things how they wish).

I find comfort coming here and seeing rational intelligent people, who are capable of seeing through the lies we are told about this life - even though yes we may be suffering. If you express dislike for this life/society and want to leave, you get shunned by most people in society like you're some sort of lepper or something. Even my own family look at me like I'm insane if I utter anything remotely anti-life or pro-choice. And they have no desire for any philosophical critique of life itself - they simply accept the giant shit sandwich they've been given and are happy to keep chowing down on it. If you dare to say "hey, this actually tastes like shit"... they think you're mentally defective. "Just stop complaining, and eat your shit sandwich". lol

I consider wanting to leave as being a very understandable desire, a very human instinct even if you will - because we are the only creature on this planet that fully understands the nature of the predicament we have been forced into. That's a unique psychological aspect to our lives, that we must negotiate every single moment we are here. And I also have an old dog, who I refuse to leave behind to get out of this life early. He's my best friend - my only friend actually. I would feel like I am betraying him if I ctb before he does. I can never match his level of loyalty... but I can try... and I will...

 

[Dot]

.It's funny. Being here (after lurking for a long time) is the only real place where people see me as less suicidal then normal, as having the answers, as being able to join the 'happy people'. It's interesting.

Am nt playng dwn hw suicdl u mght or mght nt b feelng - bt ur pst ws basclly an elong8td wy of targtng a specfc membr wh/ litrlly evry1 wh/ ds nt knw or undrstnd th/ ste targts lke u r makng sme pnt tht no1 hs evr mde b4 -- also tht persn wh/ evry1 knws u r referrng 2 hs nevr shard knowldge of methds wth ppl - thy jst pst abt hw mch thy r suffrng

Ur pst dsplayd surfce levl knwldge of hw dffrnt ppl xpernce suicdlty - th/ wordng cme acrss as nt smethng frm criosty bt of talkng dwn 2 ppl & sayng thngs tht thy all knw alrdy as tho u knw mre abt thr lves thn thm - ppl wth tht perspctve oftn lean mre 2wrds lfe & obv slf hpe tht fr u also

Ppl wh/ r agnst th/ ste regulrly sy 'wll if thy r suidcl Y r thy nt ded yt' & thn us tht as an argmnt as 2 hw lng-trm membrs mst b larpng & r sittng in a drk rm rubbng thr thghs whle watchng othr ppl follw thru wth suicde - SaSu = argubly th/ only frum of its knd on th/ internt s/ th/ cummnty wll inevtbly bcme a 'hme' fr sme ppl

I think I've said this already but it seems to be forgotten. My 'reasons to live' listed are not reasons why for you specifically, death is a bad decision. Nor is it the point of the post. I've thought about these things a lot. I have reasons to live, and to die. Sometimes things are just so fucking bad and unchangeable that, even knowing all these things, I still think death is the right option. This site has helped me gain access to ways of then doing that that aren't as dangerous if survived as how my last attempt went.

U specfclly signd up fr a frum knowng tht suicde methds r dscussd & thn proclaimd tht u wll nt 'hlp ppl kll thmslves' whle talkng abt hw u hve benifitd frm joinng - ok tht = gr8 - slf hve refusd t/ shre sourcs snce th/ dy tht slf hve joind th/ frum bt slf dd nt join fr purpse of gttng info fr slf frm othr ppl & thn dsplayng a shockd Pikchu fce tht thre r ppl sharng th/ typ in info tht slf joind fr & benifttd frm -- ur lfe stuatn hs brght u 2 a plce whch = sittng in thse gry areas nw whthr u lke tht or nt & wh/ knws perhps u r strgglng wth reconcilng tht

But I still think these points should be known and understood by anyone seriously considering suicide. It's not a simple choice, and ignoring the reality of death and suicide is dangerously naive.

& tht = wht hs obvsly triggrd slf bcse slf d/ nt nd 2 b 'educ8td' or chastisd fr b-ing stck in purgrty b/ sme1 wh/ knws nothng abt slf stuatn or wht seasn of lfe slf am movng thru -- slf actully agree wth th/ premse tht sittng in th/ sme plce fr yrs & fantsisng about suicde = nt helthy bt mst ppl wh/ hve th/ abilty t/ mve on in eithr directn alrdy wll eventlly & naturlly bcse tht fantsisng ds nt serv thm frever

 

[rainwillneverstop]

'translation' below

Am nt playng dwn hw suicdl u mght or mght nt b feelng - bt ur pst ws basclly an elong8td wy of targtng a specfc membr wh/ litrlly evry1 wh/ ds nt knw or undrstnd th/ ste targts lke u r makng sme pnt tht no1 hs evr mde b4 -- also tht persn wh/ evry1 knws u r referrng 2 hs nevr shard knowldge of methds wth ppl - thy jst pst abt hw mch thy r suffrng

Ur pst dsplayd surfce levl knwldge of hw dffrnt ppl xpernce suicdlty - th/ wordng cme acrss as nt smethng frm criosty bt of talkng dwn 2 ppl & sayng thngs tht thy all knw alrdy as tho u knw mre abt thr lves thn thm - ppl wth tht perspctve oftn lean mre 2wrds lfe & obv slf hpe tht fr u also

Ppl wh/ r agnst th/ ste regulrly sy 'wll if thy r suidcl Y r thy nt ded yt' & thn us tht as an argmnt as 2 hw lng-trm membrs mst b larpng & r sittng in a drk rm rubbng thr thghs whle watchng othr ppl follw thru wth suicde - SaSu = argubly th/ only frum of its knd on th/ internt s/ th/ cummnty wll inevtbly bcme a 'hme' fr sme ppl

U specfclly signd up fr a frum knowng tht suicde methds r dscussd & thn proclaimd tht u wll nt 'hlp ppl kll thmslves' whle talkng abt hw u hve benifitd frm joinng - ok tht = gr8 - slf hve refusd t/ shre sourcs snce th/ dy tht slf hve joind th/ frum bt slf dd nt join fr purpse of gttng info fr slf frm othr ppl & thn dsplayng a shockd Pikchu fce tht thre r ppl sharng th/ typ in info tht slf joind fr & benifttd frm -- ur lfe stuatn hs brght u 2 a plce whch = sittng in thse gry areas nw whthr u lke tht or nt & wh/ knws perhps u r strgglng wth reconcilng tht

& tht = wht hs obvsly triggrd slf bcse slf d/ nt nd 2 b 'educ8td' or chastisd fr b-ing stck in purgrty b/ sme1 wh/ knws nothng abt slf stuatn or wht seasn of lfe slf am movng thru -- slf actully agree wth th/ premse tht sittng in th/ sme plce fr yrs & fantsisng about suicde = nt helthy bt mst ppl wh/ hve th/ abilty t/ mve on in eithr directn alrdy wll eventlly & naturlly bcse tht fantsisng ds nt serv thm frever

'translation'

I'm not downplaying how suicidal you might or might not be feeling. But your post was basically an elongated way of targeting a specific member, who literally everyone who does not know or understand the site targets, like you are making some point that no-one has ever made before. Also that person who everyone knows you are referring to, has never shared knowledge of methods with people. They just post about how much they are suffering.

Your post displayed surface level knowledge of how different people experience suicidality - the wording comes across as not something form curiosity but of talking down to people and saying things that many knew already, as though you knew more about their lives than them. People with that perspective often lean towards life and obviously I hope that for you also.

People who are against the site reguarly say 'well if you are suicidal, why are you not dead yet' and then use that as an argument as to how long-term members must be larping and are sitting in a dark room, rubbing their thighs while watching other people follow through with suicide. Sasu is arguably the only ofrum of its kind on the internet, so the community will inevitably become a 'home' for some people.

You specifically signed up for a forum knowing that suicide methods are discussed, and then proclaimed that you will not 'help people kill themselves' while talking about how you have benefited from joining. Ok that's great, I have refused to share sources since the day that I have joined the forum. But I did not join for purpose of getting info for myself from other people, and then displaying a shocked pickachu face, that there are people sharing the type of info that I joined for and benefited from. Your life situation has brought you to a place, which is sitting in gray areas now whether you like that or not and who knows, perhaps you are struggling with reconciling that.

And that is what has obviously triggered me, because I do not need to be 'educated' or chastised for being stuck with purgatory by someone who knows nothing about my situation, or what season of life I am moving through. I actually agree with the premise that sitting in the same place for years, and fantasizing about suicide is not healthy. But most people who have the ability to move on in either direction already will eventually and naturally, because that fantasizing does not serve them forever.

--end--

well said.

 

[Forveleth]

Another one of these posts? This is almost a carbon copy of a post that shows up here every six months spewing the same empty platitudes. You tell us to stay alive but trash talk people who have been here for a while. But you are suicidal too so you can relate.

Quite frankly, posts like this emphasize why SaSu exists.

 

[starboy2k]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh here we go again…….

another person on their highest of horses spewing bullshit galore about why people are on this site as if its supposed to only cater to them.

yea yea yea we get it. "you're definitely not like those other suicidals derp xP"

just delete your fucking account if regulars being on here triggers you so much, its not that hard to do…….

 

[Shadows From Hell]

Say you're anti-suicide without saying you're anti-suicide....

You have not offered anyone here any glimmer of hope. Your constant rambling on why regulars continue to post here is not winning you over with anyone.

You say you're suicidal, but I'm seriously having my doubts. I've been on this site for years, and if I've learned anything, it's to catch the red flags of bullshitters, and your red flag is pretty high.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I think, I clearly understood what death means when I first faced it closely at the age of nearly 8 yo. I feel pity for the level of intelligence of adult people who still can't figure out what implications of death are.

That additional condition is not stated anywhere in the given dictionaries; and even if it were stated, the word 'relief' could still be used in the metaphorical (or more general) sense as simply "end of suffering" without the baggage of artificial restrictions like "the implied person must be conscious" or "the implied person must be alive". In the most general sense, relief is any transition from greater discomfort to less discomfort. Since the absence of consciousness can imply less discomfort than some painful or highly depressive conscious state, shutting down consciousness (whether temporarily or permanently) can provide relief in the given general sense.

When they knock you out for surgery, it's so you don't experience the pain. When you wake up, not only did you not experience the pain, you didn't experience anything. But most are happy with the trade-off. It's worth it. You weren't consciously aware to experience the lack of pain - yet you still benefitted from it by not having to go through it.

Death can be viewed in a similar way, as the "you" that did exist up to that point in time, managed to skillfully avoid experiencing whatever pain was waiting for you in coming hours/days/weeks ahead. The price of course, is the surrendering of all future experiences - good or bad. But you won't experience a deprivation from that either.

It's up to the individual to decide if that is worth it to them. For many it clearly is, and they consciously and rationally choose it.