PPeH reliability rating SN

[FallenX]

If you look at the PPeH Oct 2019 update and it says an * indicates uncertainty about the rating.

SN has a 7* for reliability with an * next to it. It used to be rated a 6.

Speed has a 3 next to it also with an * asterisk.

Basically they are uncertain how reliable and fast it is? How do you feel about there being an asterisk * around the 7/10 reliability of SN?

They said they had 10 monitored nitrite accounts sent to them all were peaceful.

 

[CrushedHopes]

Fallen, I get being uncertain in regards to suicide, but at this point, it just looks like you're advocating against SN due to your own insecurities. Can you not? The PPH is reliable. End of story.

 

[CrushedHopes]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at. There are plenty of resources here that detail how you could increase SN's reliability. It's not going to be 100% foolproof. I'm going to ask you nicely to please stop advocating against SN just because you're uncertain. You've been doing that a lot.

 

[Reyki6667]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at. There are plenty of resources here that detail how you could increase SN's reliability. It's not going to be 100% foolproof. I'm going to ask you nicely to please stop advocating against SN just because you're uncertain. You've been doing that a lot.

Sounds like you are the one uncertain for reaching that conclusion out of non acceptance. What is stated is obviously facts. No point being made nor anything else.

 

[CrushedHopes]

Sounds like you are the one uncertain for reaching that conclusion out of non acceptance. What is stated is obviously facts. No point being made nor anything else.

With all due respect, who are *you* to say that I am uncertain? I've come to terms with my own death. I'm determined to CTB. Once I drink the first SN glass, I expect to die not long afterwards. If not, I'd drink the second backup glass to ensure that I have no chance of survival.

Fallen has a history of questioning SN to the point of annoyance. It's kinda like Eliza from the other day, but without the link spamming.

Im stating facts. PPH puts reliability at a 7with an asterisk which means they are uncertain of their rating. It was previously a 6. So the question is do they think it deserves an 8 but aren't sure or should it be a 6?

Also their timeframe For speed is off with the example they give. If they rate it 3/5 with an asterisk is it possible it's really a 2/5 and much slower in most cases than they anticipated?

Your questions have been answered numerous times in the last few days. Asking them over and over again ad nauseum isn't going to change the answer.

 

[MeltingHeart]

So I just looked through the preview of the Oct 2019 update and it says an * indicates uncertainty about the rating.

Well SN has a 7 for reliability with an * next to it. It used to be rated a 6.

Speed has a 3 next to it also with an * asterisk.

Basically they don't know and are uncertain how reliable and fast it is. The same thing for Azide they put speed at 4 with an asterisk but reliability remained a 9.

In the preview they say taking Azide is like a mix of taking nitrite and cyanide. Pretty brutal but they give peacefulness a 6 and a 7 for nitrite.

They said they had 10 monitored nitrite accounts sent to them all were peaceful.

may I ask does the book share much detail of those accounts or just state that they were peaceful? I remember last year P.Nitschke, was calling on people to film their passing so that we can get a better understanding of it reliability and therefore to helps others- I am not sure if this has happened yet.

 

[itistimetoleave]

What does undectibility means?

 

[Return2Dust]

All I am saying is the asterisk around nitrites Reliability and Speed are concerning. If they are uncertain....note the * and what that means according to the PPH....then a 7*/10 reliability is a guess.

Perhaps you aren't ready to ctb and overthinking this is your way of putting the brakes on it. If you feel ready, may I suggest researching other methods. This one isn't for you.

 

[CaptainT]

@FallenX your mind is looking for every reason not to do it. You are talking yourself out of it. I'd agree that means you should take a break from thinking about CTB with SN. Your survival instinct is strong.

The PPeH has a small sample size for SN observations (10 cases?). This forum has a lot more.

 

[Stan]

To put things into context, you have to understand how they define those measurements. Without knowing them, you are looking at something in isolation without understanding. I watched an old video of an Exit conference so I will try and help.

Reliability: Will it achieve death. Pn gave this a lower score because SN poisoning can be easily reversed. If you call for help or someone intervenes your attempt, ambulance is called. As soon as they put you on the ambulance they will give you 100% oxygen to breathe which is one of the protocols that saves you. Other methods if done right cannot be saved such as SA or a well placed gunshot to the head. The asterix comes from the fact the author admits they do not have a wide range of real cases to be able to score with certainty. I doubt anyone here writes to Exit about their failed or successful attempts. So in conclusion, reliabilty is low because you can be easily saved.

Speed: We will all have different metabolic rates and physical sturdiness. When I watched my mother die, they took away life support. Doctors said that she was not in pain and that she would pass within the hour. 6 hours later she died painlessly. You can predict if done properly, you will die, but nobody can give you a personalised schedule of how long it will take. This is one of the reasons I believe PN keeps upping the dosage to bring on death quicker.


With regards to the OP, it really does not take long to read the history of their posts and see a certain pattern forming. You can come to your own conclusion. They could be a scared kid who is wrestling with the anxiety of wanting to end their life but the action itself is scary. They could be lonely or just reaching out and trying to make contact and get attention. It has been long known that kids do something negative just to get attention. After all, attention is still attention. Or they could be someone looking to discredit this particular method. SN was the choice of one certain person who is now at peace and regularly comes up in mainstream media. If you look at a number of other peaceful methods here such as gun, hanging or CO poisoning, they can have the same risks. Yet they don't get anywhere near the same bombardment as SN. The OP has been given lots of help in this area to alleviate those concerns. However, regardless of the intent or where they are coming from, if you look at the posting history you cannot blame people for looking the vehicle (way questions are stated or making 'observations') that regardless of them saying this is their preferred way, they are doing an excellent job of unnecessarily concerning other members. They have also been given other alternatives that do not require regimen and have proven (if done correctly) to be equally successful.

 

[CrushedHopes]

SN can absolutely kill you if there is no interference. Living alone makes this easier.

 

[FallenX]

I'm concerned over the reliability because I don't want to fail. What's the point of taking SN if it doesn't work and just leaves you with bad side effects from hypoxia? Is it a guarantee if you keep a 20g dose down and don't get help for 2+ hours that you're gone?

You only get one shot at this if you don't call for help. If it doesn't work but still deprives your brain of oxygen a lot, you can end up bad.

 

[CrushedHopes]

I'm concerned over the reliability because I don't want to fail. What's the point of taking SN if it doesn't work and just leaves you with bad side effects from hypoxia? Is it a guarantee if you keep a 20g dose down and don't get help for 2+ hours that you're gone?

For the last time, it's not 100% foolproof. There's always a risk, even if it's minimal. Seriously, you just keep asking the same questions over and over again. I'm not going to entertain you any longer. If you're that uncomfortable with the minimal risks associated with SN CTB, then please seek out a different method.

 

[JSauter]

You can just put him on ignore, CrushedHopes. His questions seem legitimate to me, albeit there is nobody here that can truly answer them. Nobody really knows enough about this stuff to be definitive one way or the other.

 

[Stan]

I personally think if you are the latter of my assessment of what you could be I have to congratulate you. Unlike some of the others who come in, make a brash statement about SN which inevitably turns into a battle, you have played this very well. You have not broken any rules, you have used words that are not either rude or inflammatory as to warrant intention. However is does litter the information contained here with what people could class as 'scaremongering'. But it goes back to actually spending a little bit of time and going through your posting history to quite easily come to the statement that the content of those posts no way tally to you saying that this is your preferred choice. So here is what I am going to do. I am going to take an hour out, create a little document with polite and informative responses to your posts. Because in reality, there has not been much latitude in respect to the posts. "Regimen gives you a dangerous syndrome" "SN gives brain damage" "it is painful" "it is not reliable". I will then place those standard replies to each question that comes up. If you are a kid that is overly anxious, then the advice will work. If you have an agenda, then the same reply works equally as well to negate it.

 

[Stan]

I have no agenda dude. I just want the method to work and I am paranoid when I see the main people giving info on the SN method say 'uncertainty' about their scores reliability.

The fact that it's reversible also brings fear. When do you decide to give up and call for help instead of finding out if you will have bad effects if you don't call?

I think N is 99% reliable. It's been proven. I think SA is very reliable it's been proven and the dose is tiny.

Then surely it is time for you to listen to yourself with what you have just written and go with either N or SA. Personally I don't think I have referred to those scores after I did my research. They are an indication, not 100% reality.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I think you may be looking for a certainty that just doesn't exist. It's understandable, we all want that. It's just not possible. Hence the round and round behaviour.

 

[FallenX]

Then surely it is time for you to listen to yourself with what you have just written and go with either N or SA. Personally I don't think I have referred to those scores after I did my research. They are an indication, not 100% reality.

I want to believe in SN working cause there's many cases out there. Not even from here. It's peaceful. It's just the failing part that scares me.

SA wouldnt fail but I agree those scores aren't 100% reality. No way SA is 1 point less peaceful than SN. SA is agonizing and horrible due to what it does. There's a reason PPeH has 10 SN cases and zero SA. Despite asking for them.

 

[Stan]

I want to believe in SN working cause there's many cases out there. Not even from here. It's peaceful. It's just the failing part that scares me.

SA wouldnt fail but I agree those scores aren't 100% reality. No way SA is 1 point less peaceful than SN. SA is agonizing and horrible due to what it does. There's a reason PPeH has 10 SN cases and zero SA. Despite asking for them.

You may want to believe, the reality though even if you don't recognise it is that you don't believe in it. You keep asking for advice, but don't listen to it so at some point, people will just roll their eyes and ignore you. From my point of view, I can't watch someone litter the forum with misleading statements that other members now or in the distant future will look at. So here is a cold hard fact and I don't want this to be used as tinder for a flare up, the way you are communicating is scaremongering and does damage. I have to take the approach of Mr Spock from Star trek. "The needs of the many outweigh the the needs of the few or the one"

 

[FallenX]

I'll just stop posting about SN I guess. My questions just make people mad. But really I'm just afraid of doing it. It seemed so easy unlike other methods just a drink. I have the info now it's either I choose SN or I leave it behind.

 

[Stan]

I'll just stop posting about SN I guess. My questions just make people mad.

i think "How do I make this successful" posts are great and informative. Predicting failure through such posts as "SN will give me brain damage" does not work. If you posted the first question, then the advice inherently will by design make sure the first question does not happen.

 

[Neverod]

That paranoia and overthinking will lead you nowhere, you are just torturing yourself (and maybe some members for what i have read), you have enough info on the SN, if it's not enough, leave it.
If it's reversible, you shouldn't be scared.
All you need to do is to follow 3 simple steps: meto regimen or stat dose
Antacid (optional)
SN
Not enough? Go to SA or N, don't waste your time in something you will never do. Asking for info on a method it's not bad (but people should check the megathreads first to don't ask the same as hundreds, as it has been already responded) but keeping on doubting it gets bored. You need to sort that out, you, not someone else, no one will convince you enough but you. Good luck.

 

[itistimetoleave]

I'll just stop posting about SN I guess. My questions just make people mad. I have the info now it's either I choose SN or I leave it behind.

It's just that no method is 100 percent guarantee so you have to choose keeping the risk in mind. There is risk associated with every method (even gunshot) - people have survived in the weirdest ways. So, no guarantee but if it's something you want to do, you have to take the risk.

 

[FallenX]

i think "How do I make this successful" posts are great and informative. Predicting failure through such posts as "SN will give me brain damage" does not work. If you posted the first question, then the advice inherently will by design make sure the first question does not happen.

I know now all the advice to try to make it successful. So I think that's the best I can get and all this continued questioning is something I need to do on my own.

 

[CaptainT]

I know now all the advice to try to make it successful. So I think that's the best I can get and all this continued questioning is something I need to do on my own.

That's the right mindset to have @FallenX, you have to be the captain of your own ship. Wishing you well with the journey ahead

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

PPeH Oct 2019 update

Could you PM a link to this? Thanks

 

[Stan]

I know now all the advice to try to make it successful. So I think that's the best I can get and all this continued questioning is something I need to do on my own.

I know there are volumes of information on the subject. Simple way of looking at it is:

Drink a glass of water that has 20gm of SN in it
Keep it in your stomach
Don't get found.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Drink a glass of water that has 20gm of SN in it
Keep it in your stomach
Don't get found.

@Stan posts the tldr version

 

[MeltingHeart]

What does undectibility means?

after yr death...can they tell what the cause of death was I think?

Could you PM a link to this? Thanks

Can someone PM me the link too please, thanks.

 

[Roger]

What does undectibility means?

It means that you can't spell 'undetectability.'