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thank you for this info about CFH being different from LPM i failed my first attempt this morning because i didnt realize that my flowmeter said cfh instead of lpm so the nitrogen pressure was much to low i really should have read this megathread instead of just vizzys thread, hopefully no one else makes this mistake if anyone has any suggestions for wrist straps iv been having issues finding ones that i can fit on fast enough once iv lowered the hood over my head as i have trouble holding my breath for long periods
 
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Hey,thanks for replying.
Is this a post ctb Pic? ,I ask because I couldn't figure out the wider right wrist strap and note(?) on stomach,if its a post pic then it could be tags .
It seemed like he squeezed into the elastic(?) straps after turning on gas,did I get that correct?.

A while back I made a post asking ppl if a particular restraining method was feasible, pls check it out .

Yep, that was a post ctb photo. I guess he had one hand tied up, then he opened the gas, and then managed to tie the other hand. Probably a velcro thingy? You can buy velcro rolls on amazon and custom your straps for your hands. I am not even going to worry about straps. I will probably place my hands behind my back, between lumbar and reclining chair so they get kind of trapped in there.
 
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Yep, that was a post ctb photo. I guess he had one hand tied up, then he opened the gas, and then managed to tie the other hand. Probably a velcro thingy? You can buy velcro rolls on amazon and custom your straps for your hands. I am not even going to worry about straps. I will probably place my hands behind my back, between lumbar and reclining chair so they get kind of trapped in there.
I got 5cmx30cm Velcro stretch straps with buckle a while ago for this but I'm not to confident using them-if it stretches to let your hand in then the opposite may also be true.
I was exploring using paracord(mines 4mm) ,hangman's knot as that tightens with tension .
I think you lose your muscle tone through out and all the way up to LOC?(I didn't verify this but just using my common sense so I may be wrong),including back and hand muscles.
So what may seem like your hands are really stuck in place atm may just slip out during this time.
 
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I got 5cmx30cm Velcro stretch straps with buckle a while ago for this but I'm not to confident using them-if it stretches to let your hand in then the opposite may also be true.
I was exploring using paracord(mines 4mm) ,hangman's knot as that tightens with tension .
I think you lose your muscle tone through out and all the way up to LOC?(I didn't verify this but just using my common sense so I may be wrong),including back and hand muscles.
So what may seem like your hands are really stuck in place atm may just slip out during this time.
"Only minor movements were noticed in the Dignitas and Russel Ogden studies". And if I remember correctly, these lasted less than 1 minute.
 
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Thanks so much! Sorry for my ignorance, but this is referring to the adapters and connectors (eg CGA 580 to 346)? I'm currently trying to follow rigbone's set up and I think… the US connections would be the same for where I am.
Yes, this is in reference to the the connection types. The US uses CGA (Compressed Gas Association) standards for connections. Which are basically concerning the thread size, etc. Inert gases tend to use the CGA 580.
The CGA 346 & 347 are the SCBA connection types for in the USA. Again, its concerning with the thread size, diameter, etc etc.
In the EU, these standards are all different, but from GasMonkeys post, there are adapters as well using that system.
 
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Yes, this is in reference to the the connection types. The US uses CGA (Compressed Gas Association) standards for connections. Which are basically concerning the thread size, etc. Inert gases tend to use the CGA 580.
The CGA 346 & 347 are the SCBA connection types for in the USA. Again, its concerning with the thread size, diameter, etc etc.
In the EU, these standards are all different, but from GasMonkeys post, there are adapters as well using that system.
The CGA 346 & 347 are the connection types (USA) for the SCBA reducer (i.e. regulator) that attaches to a cylinder or tank. Ive found that both types will work fine.
This part of the system lowers the pressure of the cylinder from 2200 psi down to something manageable that the mask can use. Then there is the mask that has an LDV (lung demand valve) that in turn connects to that reducer. So in essence the reducer and the LDV act like a two stage regulator in a way. The LDV is like a special valve that only opens when the wearer inhales.. In this way, the contents of the cylinder is used in a very efficient manner. Some of those tanks could last up to 30-45 minutes.
(sorry, sometimes I feel really sad telling how these systems work.)
 
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sm1the

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Sep 18, 2022
171
Yes
"Only minor movements were noticed in the Dignitas and Russel Ogden studies". And if I remember correctly, these lasted less than 1 minute.
I have read in a few places that the movements are minor but I would rather not take the risk.To put it crudely
'condom theory-better to have and not need than need and not have'
,lol.
I have been looking at self bondage wrist restraints,I had no idea self bondage existed!, but there are a few nifty good here as well.
What's the full name of the Dignitas book(or version ,date etc) they mention the study?, I think Ive read most of the inert gas sections on all the popular books but I have memory issues.
 
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Yes

I have read in a few places that the movements are minor but I would rather not take the risk.To put it crudely
'condom theory-better to have and not need than need and not have'
,lol.
I have been looking at self bondage wrist restraints,I had no idea self bondage existed!, but there are a few nifty good here as well.
What's the full name of the Dignitas book(or version ,date etc) they mention the study?, I think Ive read most of the inert gas sections on all the popular books but I have memory issues.

I read somewhere in this megathread that these cases where not done with SCBA or EEDB, but some other type of mask which is much less effective. With SCBA apparently you can go unconscious in as little as 3 breaths.
 
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zipzamoly1

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Jan 12, 2026
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The Regulator:

A regulator screws on to the cylinder and does two things: 1) it reduces the pressure in the cylinder to a useable level, otherwise the 2000psi tank pressure would just blow the exit bag off your head as soon as you opened the valve, and 2) it controls the rate of gas flow into the exit bag —specifically, it should release it at 15Lpm, which is the minimum adequate to carry away exhaled CO2 and fool your lungs into believing there's enough air.

The good news is that while gas cylinder sizes are not globally standardized, the cylinder valve threads are —and both N2 and Ar cylinders have the same threads (other gasses have different threads), so a regulator that fits on one cylinder will fit equally well on another.

You don't need to worry about being sure to choose a regulator that will reduce the pressure: they all do that. The flowmeter is the critical element of the regulator for our purposes.

Some regulators come with a "click adjust" flowmeter that is very simple, allowing you to dial in 15Lpm without needing to think about it. To the best of my knowledge, these are medical grade regulators; generally very good quality, but often a bit more expensive. Others here may know more about them, and where to acquire them, than I do.

A typical welding regulator will have two gauges: the tank pressure gauge (unimportant to us) and the flowmeter gauge.

A welding regulator's flowmeter gauge will be marked in either cubic feet per hour (Cfh), Lpm, or both. Some welding systems require a fairly low flow of inert gas, much lower than our necessary 15Lpm, and this low flow is most easily measured in Cfh. If you see a gauge marked only in Cfh, it probably will not work for our purpose. Look at the highest Cfh setting on the flowmeter and do the math, to be certain. If the gauge reads in Lpm, a glance should tell you whether the regulator provides the necessary 15Lpm flow.

Harbor Freight Tools offers a cheap CO2/Ar regulator (it also works for N2) with a flowmeter that shows flow in both Cfh and Lpm and goes high enough for our purposes. This is what I have.

The Hose:

The hose needs to be long enough to reach from the gas cylinder beside you, up into the exit bag on your head. I have found it easiest to lead the hose up my back and into the bag at the very back of my neck. It seems to disrupt the fit of the bag less right there.

Some regulators come with a hose that threads directly into the regulator body. Some regulators come with a hose-barb, onto which a length of soft tubing can be pressed. Some regulators come with neither.

For the first situation, just thread the hose into the regulator, tighten it with a wrench, and it's ready.

(Regardless of what type of threaded fitting is used, you do need to wrench-tighten this fitting: a lot of gas can leak out at this connection. If it is a brass fitting, you should not need teflon tape on the threads; the soft metal deforms enough when tightened to provide an adequately gas-tight connection.)

For the second situation, take the hose-barb to a hardware / home improvement store and purchase tubing that fits onto the barb. Once home from the hardware store, thread the barb into the regulator body, tighten with a wrench, and press the tube onto the barb. It should be a snug fit; if you're worried it's too loose, use a small hose clamp / jubilee clip to secure it in place. If it's a little too tight to get the hose into place, soak the end of the tube in very hot water to soften it and press it onto the barb. I used clear vinyl tubing. Aquarium tubing should work. Surgical tubing may not; I don't know for sure.

For the third situation, you'll need a hose-barb fitting (typically brass) that threads into the regulator body. Take the entire regulator to the hardware store and ask someone to help you fit it with a hose barb. Then proceed as for the second situation.

Cover story: as with purchasing the gas cylinder, you're using N2 for brewing, or Ar for filling partial paint cans. Why Ar? because it's heavier than air and settles down onto the paint surface inside the can. For extra confidence that they won't ask inconvenient questions, you're doing it for your father, or your brother, and you don't know why they want it for their paint locker, they just said to get a hose barb and six feet of tubing…

The Exit Bag:

There are several videos on YouTube detailing construction of exit bags. I strongly recommend watching them. That's how I learned.

The short version of what you want is a turkey roasting bag —available in the supermarket, in with the zip-locks and cling wrap— with an elastic drawcord worked into a turned hem, and a cord-lock to adjust the drawcord's tension.

I used 3/8" elastic cord. I purchased both it and the cord lock at a sewing and crafts store (JoAnn's).

To construct the turned hem you'll need micropore (surgical) tape, available at a pharmacy in the first aid section. It's the right tape to use because it will reliably stick to the material of the bag itself. Sometimes it isn't labeled as "micropore." Ask a clerk if you can't find it.

Cover story: you were asked to re-stock the family first aid kit with micropore tape and you don't recognize any of the brands available.

Using an elastic drawcord is important: it needs to fit snugly around your neck, but not seal tightly. It must still be flexible enough for the flow of inert gas, lightly pressurizing the exit bag, to push past the elastic and flush away the CO2 you're exhaling. Don't use a non-elastic drawcord or do something like duct tape the bag to your neck; you don't want to create a seal, just a restriction.
Damn bruh this's convoluted. Are there not any poisons I can ingest I can get it over with?
 
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outrider567

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Damn bruh this's convoluted. Are there not any poisons I can ingest I can get it over with?
EEBD device is simpler than making an Exit Bag, click-style flowmeter is the best, mine goes to 25 LPM--Vizzy got most of his stuff from China, as he was based in Thailand
 
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sm1the

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I'm completely thankful for everyone who has had the courage to post full details.
However I think the ferrule crimping part in vizy's should be done only if u have good quality hydraulic (?)crimpers and ferrules.
I think its better to use OTK stepless single ear clamps(ideally with genuine tool/pliers) than 'home' crimped(unevenly) ferrules on hoses/barbs.
Genuine clamps of this brand cost less than ferrules+cheap crimper and provide uniform 360-degree radial compression.
A clamp is about 10cents.
I found this while researching clamps,hoses,connectors etc for a while.
I will say I have never worked with any of this till recently.
 
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Chris6666

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Jun 11, 2026
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Do you really need all of this?
Keep it simple!
When I read about methods in some threats, innert gas is excluded because its too complicated.
But its not!!!
You don't need a master degree in mechanics to do this!

This is going over the top!
Scubba here, hood there, connections, hose, straps, etc...
Maybe the threat should be splittet in easy method and advanced method...
Nobody (excluded me) is going to read 200+ pages of a threat, which 150+ are totally useless for me...
 
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Do you really need all of this?
Keep it simple!
When I read about methods in some threats, innert gas is excluded because its too complicated.
But its not!!!
You don't need a master degree in mechanics to do this!

This is going over the top!
Scubba here, hood there, connections, hose, straps, etc...
Maybe the threat should be splittet in easy method and advanced method...
Nobody (excluded me) is going to read 200+ pages of a threat, which 150+ are totally useless for me...
That's what I am talking about!
 
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There's an interesting medical paper by Wiergowski et al. (2014) titled "Helium detection in the lungs in case of suicide by helium inhalation - Case report and literature review". Figure 1 of it is a photograph of someone who succesfully ctb with helium, showing the corpse in full setup. Obviously very NSFW. Here's the link: https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...szan/609b8cf15d54d666ef1baef0e6b1cc9bfa57fa74

It's interesting how simple that man's setup was compared to all the things we talk about here in this megathread. All he had was a helium tank, a trashbag over his head, a tube between the two and some tape to fix it all. No flowmeter, no restraints, no mask etc. And just sitting on his couch. This has certainly helped me stress out less about all of it. Though I guess since the death itself was not witnessed it is possible that something went wrong and he painfully suffocated by plastic bag in the end. So I don't want to encourage anyone to be less dilligent about the technicalities of this of course.
 
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There's an interesting medical paper by Wiergowski et al. (2014) titled "Helium detection in the lungs in case of suicide by helium inhalation - Case report and literature review". Figure 1 of it is a photograph of someone who succesfully ctb with helium, showing the corpse in full setup. Obviously very NSFW. Here's the link: https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...szan/609b8cf15d54d666ef1baef0e6b1cc9bfa57fa74

It's interesting how simple that man's setup was compared to all the things we talk about here in this megathread. All he had was a helium tank, a trashbag over his head, a tube between the two and some tape to fix it all. No flowmeter, no restraints, no mask etc. And just sitting on his couch. This has certainly helped me stress out less about all of it. Though I guess since the death itself was not witnessed it is possible that something went wrong and he painfully suffocated by plastic bag in the end. So I don't want to encourage anyone to be less dilligent about the technicalities of this of course.
Yep: https://www.hermantheshocker.com/15-cases-of-helium-suicides/
 
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EEBD device is simpler than making an Exit Bag, click-style flowmeter is the best, mine goes to 25 LPM--Vizzy got most of his stuff from China, as he was based in Thailand
I think EEBD theoretically should be better than bag,its why I got the ELSA.
(I forget if I asked u)which one have u got?.
I know the click style regulators is popular here and it is easy to use but I dont know if its necessarily better.
Dual stage regulators with built in flowmeter would probably be better if its from a good brand.(these are more accurate and bigger brass ones do better with any freezing issues)
They are hard to get so even a good brand single stage with built in flowmeter would be good.
I'm no expert though,do check.lol
 
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Here is my Nitrogen SCBA setup, components and budget. I am in the EU. The cylinder and the adapter would be different in other regions.

Cylinder:
5L 200 bar 4.0 N2 (delivered to my place)
Price: 102€
Air-to-nitrogen adapter
female 300bar on the Air side and female 200bar on the Nitrogen side, G5/8" to W24.32
Price: 55€
Pack with regualator/reducer + lung demand valve (LDV):
Model: PA 90 (older model than PAS Lite)
Price: 120€
Face mask:
Model: Panorama Nova, brand new (older model than FPS 7000)
Price: 197€

Total budget: 474€ (shipping included)

The main theads to look into are:
GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/

Inert gas setups gallery. Show your setup: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-setups-gallery-show-your-setup.115461/

The megathread is so massive. Considering that GasMonkey was the one hero who provided the best information, it is useful to know that he started posting on page 62 and he disappeared around page 117. This narrows down a lot of the time needed to gather the information.
 

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I think EEBD theoretically should be better than bag,its why I got the ELSA.
(I forget if I asked u)which one have u got?.
I know the click style regulators is popular here and it is easy to use but I dont know if its necessarily better.
Dual stage regulators with built in flowmeter would probably be better if its from a good brand.(these are more accurate and bigger brass ones do better with any freezing issues)
They are hard to get so even a good brand single stage with built in flowmeter would be good.
I'm no expert though,do check.lol
EEBD Hood, yes built-in flowmeter
 
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devils~advocate

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Feb 29, 2024
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Here is my Nitrogen SCBA setup, components and budget. I am in the EU. The cylinder and the adapter would be different in other regions.

Cylinder:
5L 200 bar 4.0 N2 (delivered to my place)
Price: 102€
Air-to-nitrogen adapter
female 300bar on the Air side and female 200bar on the Nitrogen side, G5/8" to W24.32
Price: 55€
Pack with regualator/reducer + lung demand valve (LDV):
Model: PA 90 (older model than PAS Lite)
Price: 120€
Face mask:
Model: Panorama Nova, brand new (older model than FPS 7000)
Price: 197€

Total budget: 474€ (shipping included)

The main theads to look into are:
GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/

Inert gas setups gallery. Show your setup: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-setups-gallery-show-your-setup.115461/

The megathread is so massive. Considering that GasMonkey was the one hero who provided the best information, it is useful to know that he started posting on page 62 and he disappeared around page 117. This narrows down a lot of the time needed to gather the information.
Well thought out setup. GasMonkey would approve
Have you planned if you will sit in a chair or some other way?
My discussions with sm1the about chairs got me thinking. At first I thought about doing this in an adjustable bed that I have....the kind that the upper and lower halves of the bed can be adjusted up or down.

I believe from the photos that GasMonkey shows a lounge chair of the zero gravity variety.
Sm1the mentioned most of those kinds tend to have poor adjusting hardware and could fail.

So I am thinking that either I could use the bed or get a wheelchair that can recline back.
I know after someone finds you that they have to contact law enforcement (at least in USA)...and then they would transport your body away.
After thinking about the bed, I dont want my family to see the bed afterwards and re-live any trauma.
Im not sure if my body was found in a wheelchair if the authorities would just use it to take me away. This way it minimizes that aspect towards my family.
Either way, I thought about covering myself with a sheet or blanket so my family wouldnt have to see me.
Then having notes printed saying what has happened and to call the police.
Unfortunately it will take at least one person of my family to find me and report everything to the police.
I know them, they wouldnt just read the notes and not look at me.
I feel for them....this very sad part I have a hard time thinking about.

But this nightmare that I currently live in is too much....Ive endured it for about 23 years now...I can't handle more piled on.
 
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Have you planned if you will sit in a chair or some other way?
When the day comes, I think I will just choose a location and ctb in my car, recline the front seat next to the driver, fasten the seat belt, and maybe restrain my hands a bit, or put them in my back between lumbar and the seat. The cylinder will be secured away from my reach and the mask is tightly secure in my face I think chances of failure are almost zero. Then, I will have had scheduled email notifications with my location so that someone will call the police and they find me quickly.
 
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When the day comes, I think I will just choose a location and ctb in my car, recline the front seat next to the driver, fasten the seat belt, and maybe restrain my hands a bit, or put them in my back between lumbar and the seat. The cylinder will be secured away from my reach and the mask is tightly secure in my face I think chances of failure are almost zero. Then, I will have had scheduled email notifications with my location so that someone will call the police and they find me quickly.
Scheduled emails and texts are a good idea. I didnt even know one could do this until recently.
I also plan on having audio recordings, typed and maybe written notes for my family. Folders with information and instructions of what to do with my things.
I can't believe my life has gotten this way for me to think about all this. Its been a living nightmare for 23 years.
 
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Do you really need all of this?
Keep it simple!
When I read about methods in some threats, innert gas is excluded because its too complicated.
But its not!!!
You don't need a master degree in mechanics to do this!

This is going over the top!
Scubba here, hood there, connections, hose, straps, etc...
Maybe the threat should be splittet in easy method and advanced method...
Nobody (excluded me) is going to read 200+ pages of a threat, which 150+ are totally useless for me...
Wrench, Gas tank, adapter, (Pressure reducer/"1st stage", Lung-Demand-Valve, Mask)*

*One would need to make sure to get those three things from the same manufacturer and make sure the type of connection is the same. And use only positive-pressure capable mask+LDV combinations(!)

In the EU, Nitrogen tanks have a 200bar W24.32 thread, and the SCBA devices a G5/8" thread. As W24.32 is typically only used for 200bar tanks, one can just go with a 200-200bar W24.32-G5/8" adapter, and also therefore skip some of the issues that older "1st stages" have where the twist-knob isn't wide enough to fit the adapter.
That is because, even though most pneumatic SCBA systems are designed for both 200 and 300bar, 300bar male connectors are backwards compatible with female 200bar adapters..

Newer pneumatik systems for example by the brand and type GasMonkey used, allow for the 200-300bar w24.32-G5/8" adapter, which I guess one should just get in that case because why not... or just buy both like I did to be versatile 🍎
 
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There are ways of making a scba system that does not require using a manufacturer for all the parts.
The only issue is the LDV. One would have to get one that has a 'quick disconnect' type of hose connection.
 
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There are ways of making a scba system that does not require using a manufacturer for all the parts.
The only issue is the LDV. One would have to get one that has a 'quick disconnect' type of hose connection.
I mean sure, yes, as long as the LDV and Mask have matching connection and are (preferably) overpressure type.
Keep in mind that the connector type that is on GasMonkey's setup, seems to be a manufacturer-specific connection.

Additionally, mixing manufacturers and not using components that are certified together, may result in - probably mostly slight - issues. For example when the pressure reduction of manufacturer A for the reducer, steps it down to either too little or too much pressure for the Mask+LDV from Manufacturer B(/C). That could result in air-valve/breathing issues with the mask in the worst case

The common standards are as follows [and some manufacturers may use different product-specific names for them - so that should be kept in mind]:

1. RD40 - normal pressure(!!!), screws on - follows EN 148-1 and is used in the EU

2. M45 x 3 - overpressure, also screws on - follows EN 148-3 and is also used in the EU

and my personal favourite because it combines the best of both worlds-

3. ESA - "Einheitssteckanschluss" - follows the German DIN 58600 and is a sort of secure version of the plug-in connection types, and it locks in with two clips. - mainly used in Germany
 
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After quite literally months of day and night searching for the most effective wrist/hand restraint method I have so far only got-
Bungee cord wrapped on the armrests! Lol.
I had a few methods I was figuring out but I realised that whichever method needs doing in a very short time and a high stress situation.