Help Important doubts in the Exit Bag method

[0dysseus]

I have been suffering from a chronic disease for the past 8 years. It is getting worse, and I need to end things as it is the right and humane thing to do.

Now, to the point: because I have been suffering so much for so long, I wanted my end to be as painless and peaceful as it can be. I found the Exit Bag method couple of weeks ago and ar first or seemed like the right choice without a doubt;
But then, I delved into all the information regarding it, which sprouted questions that the megathread didn't really answer:

1. Both dignitas and some U.S jails attempted a nitrogen Exit Bag on people. In all cases it failed to deliver a peaceful death, as the patients described writhing (before being unconscious). Now, TiredHorse in the megathread seems at first like an all-knowing person regarding this method, but I mean if the number 1# institution for euthanasia can't do it right, and the american death sentence experts, how could truly any of us? With 100% guruntee? Exspecially by ourselves?

2. In the instruction video I have watched by Dr. Bucht, the part he makes the tukey bag to have an elastic band is too complicated, same thing with other instructions I see...I personally thought to take a thick large office band, cut it in one place, tie it around my neck so it fits, then folding the ham and taping the hem all around (not the opening).

3.The Nitrogen vs Helium vs Aragon debate. Dr. Bucht suggested in his book, and video, use helium, as it is cheap and easy to buy, two cannisters 420 liters. But he also suggested 9mm plastic for the opening, and now that I bought and tried it, it is obviously too small diameter. So what tubes should I actually buy? And I checked nitrogen tanks and they are really expensive. How many liters for a canister should one use again?

4. The 15 to 30 minutes until the end occurs. Has anybody ever survived like a good 10 minutes to tell us that you don't envision or imagine or dream about anything during that time? Because for me it would be another caveat.

Thank you.

 

[hdead]

I came across this method, too, when I first started delving into this topic.

1. Well if that's what they say, it must be true? I hardly think it'd be peaceful, but it should be very quick if done right.

2. Too complicated indeed. You should get the materials and test for yourself if you want to find out.

3. Only one way to find out. Get your materials and find out what tubing fits. No one-shot answer here. And yes, this is an expensive method. Can't get around that.

4. I've read survival stories where people unconsciously rip the bags off their heads, or where they fall in a way that the bag either comes off or rips. You can be assured that if you do this sober (AKA no benzos, alcohol) your nervous system will be active enough to start producing some kind of dream state. Watch some NDEs and see what I mean. When people drown, become hypoxic or hypothermic, it's just what the brain does. You can't prepare for this. All you can try to do is be in a super positive state and the dreams may be cozy. If you're scared and angry, you might get a hellish experience. No real way to know for sure as this will differ from person to person.

I've decided against it, because it's simply too complicated and has many risk factors attached to it.

If anything I'm considering drunk/drugged up hypothermia, CO or FSH.

 

[Chris6666]

I'm a new member to this forum, but read the last couple of month (or a year) the topics and posts here.
N2 with exit bag is my choice.
I will do an extra post of my setup this evening.

1. This method requires that you pass out as quick as possible. About dignitas I don't know, but the prisoners don't wanted to die. They didn't do the proper steps before, holding breath, etc. and extended this time. This method requires to do the proper steps (hyperventilating before, normal breathing in the bag, etc.).

2. Honestly, I don't know Dr. Bucht. There are a couple more videos (Doing it with Chi, Bettys video) in the megathread. A propper exit bag is a must have! CO2 has to flow out and replaced with gas. Any deviations from the instruction could cause a fail. Of course there are other ways, but you have to test it.

3. The purity of the gas is essential (>99%). Helium, nitrogen, argon, all works. But argon for the exit bag is not recommended, because its heavier than air and flows out of the gap.
I personally use N2 (nitrogen) in a 10l tank with 200 bar (= 2.000 liters). This is enough for tests and the final part.
I don't know your "cannisters". Do you have a regulator with flowmeter? A flowrate of 15 lpm is very important. I have oxygen tubes with an inner diameter of 6mm and they work quite well. Here you have to test too. A larger tube means a larger gap in the bag and air can flow back inside.

4. After 10 minutes you have serious brain damage, if you are not already dead. I don't think, you get an answer from a potatoe...
I think its like anesthesia. You black out, and thats it... No dreams...

I hope, I didnt make any mistakes here.

 

[0dysseus]

I'm a new member to this forum, but read the last couple of month (or a year) the topics and posts here.
N2 with exit bag is my choice.
I will do an extra post of my setup this evening.

1. This method requires that you pass out as quick as possible. About dignitas I don't know, but the prisoners don't wanted to die. They didn't do the proper steps before, holding breath, etc. and extended this time. This method requires to do the proper steps (hyperventilating before, normal breathing in the bag, etc.).

2. Honestly, I don't know Dr. Bucht. There are a couple more videos (Doing it with Chi, Bettys video) in the megathread. A propper exit bag is a must have! CO2 has to flow out and replaced with gas. Any deviations from the instruction could cause a fail. Of course there are other ways, but you have to test it.

3. The purity of the gas is essential (>99%). Helium, nitrogen, argon, all works. But argon for the exit bag is not recommended, because its heavier than air and flows out of the gap.
I personally use N2 (nitrogen) in a 10l tank with 200 bar (= 2.000 liters). This is enough for tests and the final part.
I don't know your "cannisters". Do you have a regulator with flowmeter? A flowrate of 15 lpm is very important. I have oxygen tubes with an inner diameter of 6mm and they work quite well. Here you have to test too. A larger tube means a larger gap in the bag and air can flow back inside.

4. After 10 minutes you have serious brain damage, if you are not already dead. I don't think, you get an answer from a potatoe...
I think its like anesthesia. You black out, and thats it... No dreams...

I hope, I didnt make any mistakes here.

Okay let's say I bought the nitrogen cannister, what do I install on it? I can only see a valve in the pictures

I came across this method, too, when I first started delving into this topic.

1. Well if that's what they say, it must be true? I hardly think it'd be peaceful, but it should be very quick if done right.

2. Too complicated indeed. You should get the materials and test for yourself if you want to find out.

3. Only one way to find out. Get your materials and find out what tubing fits. No one-shot answer here. And yes, this is an expensive method. Can't get around that.

4. I've read survival stories where people unconsciously rip the bags off their heads, or where they fall in a way that the bag either comes off or rips. You can be assured that if you do this sober (AKA no benzos, alcohol) your nervous system will be active enough to start producing some kind of dream state. Watch some NDEs and see what I mean. When people drown, become hypoxic or hypothermic, it's just what the brain does. You can't prepare for this. All you can try to do is be in a super positive state and the dreams may be cozy. If you're scared and angry, you might get a hellish experience. No real way to know for sure as this will differ from person to person.

I've decided against it, because it's simply too complicated and has many risk factors attached to it.

If anything I'm considering drunk/drugged up hypothermia, CO or FSH.

Hey, what are Co and FSH?

 

[Chris6666]

Okay let's say I bought the nitrogen cannister, what do I install on it? I can only see a valve in the pictures

You need a regulator (to reduce the pressure of the tank) with a flowmeter (to controll the output flow).
Here is mine:



You have to make sure that the connection matches the valve of the tank. Best is nitrogen regulator with nitrogen tank. In some regions you can mix argon regulator with nitrogen tank, but I do not recommend this. In my region (europe) this is not possible.

Yeah, its quite expensive... 210 € for N2 tank, 150 € for regulator with flowmeter + tubes, fittings, chair, wrench... I expect total costs at 500-600 €.
But for that I get (hopefully) a peaceful end.

 

[0dysseus]

You need a regulator (to reduce the pressure of the tank) with a flowmeter (to controll the output flow).
Here is mine:

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You have to make sure that the connection matches the valve of the tank. Best is nitrogen regulator with nitrogen tank. In some regions you can mix argon regulator with nitrogen tank, but I do not recommend this. In my region (europe) this is not possible.

Yeah, its quite expensive... 210 € for N2 tank, 150 € for regulator with flowmeter + tubes, fittings, chair, wrench... I expect total costs at 500-600 €.
But for that I get (hopefully) a peaceful end.

But why not helium, because the vendors can't essentially promise a tank that is full completely with helium without oxyge? So why Dr.chabot and the other doctors advocating for a euthansia by own hands for the sicklh and such talk about helium? I don't get it...two cannisters filled with helium and two tubes. It must suffice. I gotta hear stories of people who tried helium and was it abandoned....

 

[Chris6666]

IF you get pure helium (99,9%), its good. It will work better with exit bag because helium ist much lighter than air and pull all the CO2 out of the bag.
BUT your "cannisters" sound like Party-balloon-gas, which is only 80%. This is not enough for ctb.
The only thing you get from this is a freaking speach, headache, and worst case a brain damage.
You have to be sure the purity of the gas is >99%. Normaly only welding shops sell this.

 

[0dysseus]

IF you get pure helium (99,9%), its good. It will work better with exit bag because helium ist much lighter than air and pull all the CO2 out of the bag.
BUT your "cannisters" sound like Party-balloon-gas, which is only 80%. This is not enough for ctb.
The only thing you get from this is a freaking speach, headache, and worst case a brain damage.
You have to be sure the purity of the gas is >99%. Normaly only welding shops sell this.

But lets say I have like 1000 liters worth of helium, it surely is enough right?

 

[Chris6666]

You dont get the simplest things...
And I'm tired to rewrite my answers.
I highly doubt, anyone here will answer you, because its all in the megathread.
I highly recommend you read the megathread again. And again and again...
Maybe another methode is better for you...

 

[0dysseus]

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You dont get the simplest things...
And I'm tired to rewrite my answers.
I highly doubt, anyone here will answer you, because its all in the megathread.
I highly recommend you read the megathread again. And again and again...
Maybe another methode is better for you...

I HAVE ALREADY READ LARGE SUM OF THE MEGATHREAD, I just don't get how so many euthanasia doctors advocate for helium and so many people on the Netherlands succeeded to CTB using at after Dr. Chabot published his book. Almost 300 cases in 7 years.

 

[outrider567]

I have been suffering from a chronic disease for the past 8 years. It is getting worse, and I need to end things as it is the right and humane thing to do.

Now, to the point: because I have been suffering so much for so long, I wanted my end to be as painless and peaceful as it can be. I found the Exit Bag method couple of weeks ago and ar first or seemed like the right choice without a doubt;
But then, I delved into all the information regarding it, which sprouted questions that the megathread didn't really answer:

1. Both dignitas and some U.S jails attempted a nitrogen Exit Bag on people. In all cases it failed to deliver a peaceful death, as the patients described writhing (before being unconscious). Now, TiredHorse in the megathread seems at first like an all-knowing person regarding this method, but I mean if the number 1# institution for euthanasia can't do it right, and the american death sentence experts, how could truly any of us? With 100% guruntee? Exspecially by ourselves?

2. In the instruction video I have watched by Dr. Bucht, the part he makes the tukey bag to have an elastic band is too complicated, same thing with other instructions I see...I personally thought to take a thick large office band, cut it in one place, tie it around my neck so it fits, then folding the ham and taping the hem all around (not the opening).

3.The Nitrogen vs Helium vs Aragon debate. Dr. Bucht suggested in his book, and video, use helium, as it is cheap and easy to buy, two cannisters 420 liters. But he also suggested 9mm plastic for the opening, and now that I bought and tried it, it is obviously too small diameter. So what tubes should I actually buy? And I checked nitrogen tanks and they are really expensive. How many liters for a canister should one use again?

4. The 15 to 30 minutes until the end occurs. Has anybody ever survived like a good 10 minutes to tell us that you don't envision or imagine or dream about anything during that time? Because for me it would be another caveat.

Thank you.

EEBD is more effective than an Exit Bag, see Vizzy's posts on the Inert Gas Mega Thread(and Greenberg's)---Ignore US Jails Nitrogen execution problems, the condemned fight it, we don't---Nobody is conscious 10 minutes with Nitrogen, you pass out after about a minute or so--Das_Nichts said that he passed out, and only survived because he fell down and hit his head on a dresser, dislodging the EEBD Hood, he said it was quite peaceful and painless, and that he saw some red and green colors just before he went unconscious

I'm a new member to this forum, but read the last couple of month (or a year) the topics and posts here.
N2 with exit bag is my choice.
I will do an extra post of my setup this evening.

1. This method requires that you pass out as quick as possible. About dignitas I don't know, but the prisoners don't wanted to die. They didn't do the proper steps before, holding breath, etc. and extended this time. This method requires to do the proper steps (hyperventilating before, normal breathing in the bag, etc.).

2. Honestly, I don't know Dr. Bucht. There are a couple more videos (Doing it with Chi, Bettys video) in the megathread. A propper exit bag is a must have! CO2 has to flow out and replaced with gas. Any deviations from the instruction could cause a fail. Of course there are other ways, but you have to test it.

3. The purity of the gas is essential (>99%). Helium, nitrogen, argon, all works. But argon for the exit bag is not recommended, because its heavier than air and flows out of the gap.
I personally use N2 (nitrogen) in a 10l tank with 200 bar (= 2.000 liters). This is enough for tests and the final part.
I don't know your "cannisters". Do you have a regulator with flowmeter? A flowrate of 15 lpm is very important. I have oxygen tubes with an inner diameter of 6mm and they work quite well. Here you have to test too. A larger tube means a larger gap in the bag and air can flow back inside.

4. After 10 minutes you have serious brain damage, if you are not already dead. I don't think, you get an answer from a potatoe...
I think its like anesthesia. You black out, and thats it... No dreams...

I hope, I didnt make any mistakes here.

99.0% is quite effective, even 95.0% is unsurvivable (See Quora website for more info)

 

[NitrogenNightmare]

1. Both dignitas and some U.S jails attempted a nitrogen Exit Bag on people. In all cases it failed to deliver a peaceful death, as the patients described writhing (before being unconscious). Now, TiredHorse in the megathread seems at first like an all-knowing person regarding this method, but I mean if the number 1# institution for euthanasia can't do it right, and the american death sentence experts, how could truly any of us? With 100% guruntee? Exspecially by ourselves?

Nothing is 100%, but I've tested a nitrogen exit bag multiple times and it's never been painful. The first time was mildly unpleasant, but I forgot to breathe out before pulling the bag down and I was anxious. Would definitely take it over a chronic illness. Just follow the guide in the meathread and you should be fine.

And I checked nitrogen tanks and they are really expensive.

It's definitely an investment, but it pays for itself immediately with the cost of living being what it is.