Would you increase your suffering 200X times

[monolog]

If it that would guarantee that no living thing would endure any pain ever again, they would probably disappear

 

[meddle]

sorry, but no. you can call me selfish, but i dont want to suffer that much

 

[hurb]

this has to be ragebait

 

[truehappiness]

If it that would guarantee that no living thing would endure any pain ever again, they would probably disappear

Nice theoretical question.

If I could. I actually would do it!

Why? Because I am already over the tipping point on if I want to CTB or not.
And I feel like more suffering would speed the process up quite a bit.

If I can get N in return you would not even have to ask a second time
Would immediately take it all on.

 

[meatballlover]

Nice theoretical question.

If I could. I actually would do it!

Why? Because I am already over the tipping point on if I want to CTB or not.
And I feel like more suffering would speed the process up quite a bit.

If I can get N in return you would not even have to ask a second time
Would immediately take it all on.

What if the suffering means you cannot ctb

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

The intensity and inescapability of my suffering shock me sometimes. I just cannot believe it hurts this much. And there's nothing I can do to stop it save CTB because the pain is over who I am and how I've lived for a long time. The pain of being a bad, weak person. The mental resources for happiness just aren't there; I destroyed them.

 

[truehappiness]

What if the suffering means you cannot ctb

No chance whatsoever then

 

[Forever Sleep]

Would you trust the very powerful sadist that offered you this dilema? They're clearly pretty disturbed. If they have that power- why not just remove suffering from everyone? I'm not sure I have the bravery/ compassion to endure that though.

Imagine being one of the people that is now living a painless life because of that one person going through agony. Can they necessarily live a carefree life? Wouldn't it be like survivor's guilt on an enormous scale?

Preferably, I think it would be better to try to capture the sick individual that created this dilema and force them to use their gift to free everyone of pain. Perhaps in a blackmail setup- we'll let you live a good, comfortable life- so long as you use that power for good. That's assuming that 8 billion people are strong enough to keep control over this one being.

 

[MephiticShadow]

For humans I wouldn't. For every other species? Yeah maybe

 

[itsgone2]

I would. To save those closest to me

I don't know what 200x would be. I may be having the worst night of my life. I can't handle life as it is.

 

[truehappiness]

Would you trust the very powerful sadist that offered you this dilema? They're clearly pretty disturbed. If they have that power- why not just remove suffering from everyone? I'm not sure I have the bravery/ compassion to endure that though.

Imagine being one of the people that is now living a painless life because of that one person going through agony. Can they necessarily live a carefree life? Wouldn't it be like survivor's guilt on an enormous scale?

Preferably, I think it would be better to try to capture the sick individual that created this dilema and force them to use their gift to free everyone of pain. Perhaps in a blackmail setup- we'll let you live a good, comfortable life- so long as you use that power for good. That's assuming that 8 billion people are strong enough to keep control over this one being.

What if it is a situation similar to Kuma from One Piece?

He is also able to take out pain from humans with his powers. But eventually someone has to take that on or it all goes back to their original "owner".
So that even the individual who has the power to take out pain from others has no power to make it completely disappear.

 

[Forever Sleep]

What if it is a situation similar to Kuma from One Piece?

He is also able to take out pain from humans with his powers. But eventually someone has to take that on or it all goes back to their original "owner".
So that even the individual who has the power to take out pain from others has no power to make it completely disappear.

I don't know really. Even if they volunteered for it- it doesn't seem right that one person should suffer so intensely- so that others don't have to. How quickly after volunteering- would they be regretting their decision? Why does anyone owe everyone else that sacrifice?

Why expect a single person to take on our pain? Would you wish your own pain on someone who was entirely innocent? Seems cruel. I suppose it just seems fairer if everyone suffers a little rather than one poor person suffering enormously.

It would be different if the person capable of removing the pain took it on themselves- that would be their own decision and sacrifice. But, to dump it on someone who was naive enough to volunteer doesn't sound noble at all.

I think you have to consider the type of person who would actually volunteer too. Presumably someone with not enough care for themselves. Maybe already a victim of being abused. Why should they deserve more abuse? Maybe this magical person- who can shift around pain should choose the person who has already done the most damage in this world- whoever they may be.

But then, we likely all live as exploitatively as that. In the 'developed' world- we enjoy buying cheap products that caused another person suffering to produce. So- how different are we in fact- to this model? Do we really care about another being's suffering- if their sacrifice made our lives easier/ nicer?

 

[truehappiness]

I don't know really. Even if they volunteered for it- it doesn't seem right that one person should suffer so intensely- so that others don't have to. How quickly after volunteering- would they be regretting their decision? Why does anyone owe everyone else that sacrifice?

Why expect a single person to take on our pain? Would you wish your own pain on someone who was entirely innocent? Seems cruel. I suppose it just seems fairer if everyone suffers a little rather than one poor person suffering enormously.

It would be different if the person capable of removing the pain took it on themselves- that would be their own decision and sacrifice. But, to dump it on someone who was naive enough to volunteer doesn't sound noble at all.

I think you have to consider the type of person who would actually volunteer too. Presumably someone with not enough care for themselves. Maybe already a victim of being abused. Why should they deserve more abuse? Maybe this magical person- who can shift around pain should choose the person who has already done the most damage in this world- whoever they may be.

But then, we likely all live as exploitatively as that. In the 'developed' world- we enjoy buying cheap products that caused another person suffering to produce. So- how different are we in fact- to this model? Do we really care about another being's suffering- if their sacrifice made our lives easier/ nicer?

Oh no questions asked there. We all barely pretend to care about the suffering of other living beings.
Look at how many people are Vegan. That alone gives you the number of people who even try to pretend that they give two shits about the suffering of others.

I, for my part, also indulged in unethical things. Simply the fact that I am typing with you over this computer of mine is already unethical as the tantalum and other materials required to build such devices can only and exclusively be won from areas where torture and slavery is the norm.

Nobody is innocent.
Nobody is free of having caused someone else suffering.
We are all without exception sick.

Having said that:
I would still take all the suffering on me if it means that I can die afterwards. That would be only concern of mine
A life of endless suffering with no way to exit would be unbearable as my current condition is already so bad that I am well over the tipping point of wanting to die or not

 

[Forever Sleep]

I would still take all the suffering on me if it means that I can die afterwards. That would be only concern of mine
A life of endless suffering with no way to exit would be unbearable as my current condition is already so bad that I am well over the tipping point of wanting to die or not

Maybe if it eliminates suffering forever but- we only bear it for a short while or, for as long as we have left. If however- when we die- it reverts back- if no one else volunteers- how useful is that? Say- a ten year old who has lived in utopia for the past decade- now has all the usual problems of that age. How will they cope with that- with no preparation? Wouldn't life feel so much worse in fact after the elimination of suffering for so long? I think the details would need to be nailed down before anything like this could be agreed upon. (If it were even possible.)

But then- that's another fault with humans I think. We don't seem to plan long- term. If we fight a regime we consider to be bad- we don't seem to thoroughly consider what comes after- if we destroy it. What do we replace it with? Will that cause more problems? Same with treating mental illness. It seems more like- let's try you on this for a while. Nevermind the side effects, nevermind it only being effective for a short period, nevermind what it will be like to come off the drug or what comes next.

To flip the question though- would you rather live- knowing someone had martyred themselves to absorb all your problems or- die? I don't think I'd be all together happy knowing someone had made that choice for me and was now in agony. If I died, would their pain be slightly less? Would we see more people becoming (dead) martyres also to reduce the suffering of that initial person?

 

[truehappiness]

Maybe if it eliminates suffering forever but- we only bear it for a short while or, for as long as we have left. If however- when we die- it reverts back- if no one else volunteers- how useful is that? Say- a ten year old who has lived in utopia for the past decade- now has all the usual problems of that age. How will they cope with that- with no preparation? Wouldn't life feel so much worse in fact after the elimination of suffering for so long? I think the details would need to be nailed down before anything like this could be agreed upon. (If it were even possible.)

But then- that's another fault with humans I think. We don't seem to plan long- term. If we fight a regime we consider to be bad- we don't seem to thoroughly consider what comes after- if we destroy it. What do we replace it with? Will that cause more problems? Same with treating mental illness. It seems more like- let's try you on this for a while. Nevermind the side effects, nevermind it only being effective for a short period, nevermind what it will be like to come off the drug or what comes next.

To flip the question though- would you rather live- knowing someone had martyred themselves to absorb all your problems or- die? I don't think I'd be all together happy knowing someone had made that choice for me and was now in agony. If I died, would their pain be slightly less? Would we see more people becoming (dead) martyres also to reduce the suffering of that initial person?

Well yes. The question was indeed way too vaguely answered to give a proper answer to it. If it meant permanent removal of suffering that even stays removed after the death of said person that took upon him the entirety of humankinds suffering then all is good. else it really is pointless and would cause even more suffering in the long run.

Jup. Especially when it comes to mental issues there is hardly a real "cure". The issue is the system itself for most people. What merit does it bring someone to only survive on meds because they have to work in the soul-crushing factory for 8 hours every day. They will inevitably become depressed again and require even stronger medication. I am quite of the exception in my reasoning to exit, but most people want to go because they are just depressed about job,family, political or relationship issue.

100% I would live then.
The only reason that I want to die is because I am me. If all the suffering and pain can be removed of said me then there is no more reason to go now, is there?
And if we assume the best case scenario that only one person had to die for all suffering to ever end I find it even more of an asshole thing to exit at this point.
Also, if truly all suffering and unhappiness has ended than you can't feel guilt anymore as that is also a form of unhappiness.
You would be left with only positive feelings. You would not even have the capacity anymore to think otherwise.

Some people might say this is would be even worse as this basically means that the whole reason of their existence became meaningless. They can only be happy and be "mindless slaves" to said happiness.
I personally do not care for a single second. if it makes me happy and has no real drawbacks I take it all.
Then again. I would love if I could format my entire head, remove every single memory of anything I ever had and replace the person I am with a completely new one basically resulting in the "death" of who I am.

I might not be the most "sane" person to ask this question xD