Why Isn't Nembutal More Popular Today?

[honeythunder]

I think the answer is access, but I feel like we could petition to the Darknet to get this produced. I don't know how but I'd try to figure it out if we had enough people interested. It seems like a much more peaceful way to die. I found out about it by watching this TedTalk:



It turned out to be the guy that published The Peaceful Pill handbook, and all he talked about was Nembutal: "Dr Nitschke has written extensively in the area of voluntary euthanasia and assisted suicide including two books, Killing Me Softly: Voluntary Euthanasia and the Road to the Peaceful Pill published by Penguin and The Peaceful Pill eHandbook published by Exit International USA."

Anyways, check it out.

 

[SeekingSerenity]

The problem is availability. Back when D was around, it was far more popular, but since then it's become virtually impossible for the average user to source. While it's one of the more peaceful methods, it's lack of accessibility has led to it falling out of popularity in favor of more acquirable methods like SN.

 

[madameviolette]

No access

 

[urgent]

Yes, it's availability. I don't know where to get it. I unfortunately never thought there were books or. sites to tell you how until I got to the point where nothing could be done to stop my degenerative diseases and manage the severe pain. I think it's important to point it out to people who are ill to prepare while you're able. Everyone who doesn't want to end up lingering and suffering should decide and talk to loved ones. Have an advanced directive before its to late. I wouldn't be suffering if I thought about it while I could have gotten helium or drugs that were more available then. I don't know who D or A was? I know the PPh used to give sources. I read an article about a site where there was someone providing N. Was anyone here then that can tell me about it? I'm just curious. I also am trying to find a peaceful way but think it might be impossible because of my health at this point everything is difficult for me. I learned about death with dignity when I was already losing mine. I found an post online from someone saying they worked as a guide for an organization and when it merged they worked for another until doing it on his own. He helped the ones like me, in to much pain and bad health to set up a tank themselves or get N. He said if they asked he brought the equipment, stayed until they were gone and even took it away so no loved ones had to suffer either. I was amazed that there were people who take that risk for strangers but he said it makes him feel better and gives him a purpose. I don't know if their are many still around or how you would find them. Today people are to busy scamming for money or even sick enjoyment. It's sad that people used to really help and care about each other years ago. Humanity has been harder to find. I fear a world without it. I'd love to hear from anyone around here long enough stories about anyone here who was able to find that.I found out to late. I would have liked to bring attention to eol choices. I'd have liked to talk to Kevorkian, Nitschke, Humphrey. Who was A and D? Please Pm me if allowed. Thank you

I think the answer is access, but I feel like we could petition to the Darknet to get this produced. I don't know how but I'd try to figure it out if we had enough people interested. It seems like a much more peaceful way to die. I found out about it by watching this TedTalk:



It turned out to be the guy that published The Peaceful Pill handbook, and all he talked about was Nembutal: "Dr Nitschke has written extensively in the area of voluntary euthanasia and assisted suicide including two books, Killing Me Softly: Voluntary Euthanasia and the Road to the Peaceful Pill published by Penguin and The Peaceful Pill eHandbook published by Exit International USA."

Anyways, check it out.

These videos get me angry that I wasn't aware of this when I could have gotten prepared and wouldn't be suffering excruciating pain now. Whenever I see those who were aware then they all say they are prepared and won't have to suffer like I do. I try to tell people to think about it so you can have a method before you're bedbound and unable to help yourself.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

You already know why.

 

[U. A.]

I feel like we could petition to the Darknet

lol

 

[urgent]

You already know why.

Me? I don't know what you mean. I didn't know anything about the subject other than some people cut, hang, shoot themselves. I never thought about a lot of things I had no reason to. I didn't think you could suffer so much that nothing or no one could help without putting themselves at risk. I guess I believed doctors could help more. I wasn't thinking about the end of life, being in so much pain. Even when I became the care taker and had to watch my loved ones suffer from cancers no one thought about dwd, helping them end it. It was treatment, suffer in hospice and die a horrible painful death. All the love and care can't stop the bedsores, mouth sores, losing dignity with diapers or sponge baths. I was able to have plenty of time to talk to my Dad and Mom when we knew they couldn't get better, chemo making it worse, how embarrassing it was for my Dad the strong protector to be fed and changed. I was taught about God. He never gives you more than you can handle. A good person doesn't suffer. A good person doesn't kill themselves, they will go to hell. I wish someone would have mentioned a peaceful way. Instead of watching them suffer they could have dwd and no one would suffer watching them and feeling useless. I learned to late and on my own. I don't have someone who will quietly help me. I tell others believe what you want but I don't think it's wrong to end suffering. I won't say you're selfish, a criminal, a coward. I would say I understand I support you. Don't worry about anything just know you're loved and missed but no one should make you stay for them and suffer. I want to see everyone have the right to MAiD. To dwd when and how you want. I don't think it's a slippery slope or murder, a way to get rid of disabled or save insurance companies money. I don't care about those who disagree. I'm not telling them to do it. Just don't stop those who need it. If you mean I know the governments reasons ,I don't know what country you're in, Im not asking that .I don't know why people stopped doing what was right for them. Helping each other anyway. They do illegal things that hurt children all the time. They sell drugs, murder for 5$ or a phone Put themselves at risk. The organizations took risks to stop suffering not cause it.It's not easy to get approved.We know it could stop so many people from ending up brain damaged or in jail. I'm not afraid to go to hell.Im there.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Me? I don't know what you mean. I didn't know anything about the subject other than some people cut, hang, shoot themselves. I never thought about a lot of things I had no reason to. I didn't think you could suffer so much that nothing or no one could help without putting themselves at risk. I guess I believed doctors could help more. I wasn't thinking about the end of life, being in so much pain. Even when I became the care taker and had to watch my loved ones suffer from cancers no one thought about dwd, helping them end it. It was treatment, suffer in hospice and die a horrible painful death. All the love and care can't stop the bedsores, mouth sores, losing dignity with diapers or sponge baths. I was able to have plenty of time to talk to my Dad and Mom when we knew they couldn't get better, chemo making it worse, how embarrassing it was for my Dad the strong protector to be fed and changed. I was taught about God. He never gives you more than you can handle. A good person doesn't suffer. A good person doesn't kill themselves, they will go to hell. I wish someone would have mentioned a peaceful way. Instead of watching them suffer they could have dwd and no one would suffer watching them and feeling useless. I learned to late and on my own. I don't have someone who will quietly help me. I tell others believe what you want but I don't think it's wrong to end suffering. I won't say you're selfish, a criminal, a coward. I would say I understand I support you. Don't worry about anything just know you're loved and missed but no one should make you stay for them and suffer. I want to see everyone have the right to MAiD. To dwd when and how you want. I don't think it's a slippery slope or murder, a way to get rid of disabled or save insurance companies money. I don't care about those who disagree. I'm not telling them to do it. Just don't stop those who need it. If you mean I know the governments reasons ,I don't know what country you're in, Im not asking that .I don't know why people stopped doing what was right for them. Helping each other anyway. They do illegal things that hurt children all the time. They sell drugs, murder for 5$ or a phone Put themselves at risk. The organizations took risks to stop suffering not cause it.It's not easy to get approved.We know it could stop so many people from ending up brain damaged or in jail. I'm not afraid to go to hell.Im there.

No, not directed towards you. I'm so sorry to hear . My parents died after needlessly suffering for years, too, years after having lost all dignity. I know how hard that is to watch. I've now found myself in hell on earth for other reasons, so I have to go with what's still legal & available. That's all any of us can do if we can't continue. I hope you either find a way to heal or a way out that's as peaceful as possible .

 

[Avril]

Procuring it is next to impossible

 

[urgent]

I'm sorry you went through it too. We all have or will unless we are willing and able to use MAiD. I hear of many ",good deaths " now. Others learned about it when they could prepare. It's not illegal to VSED. Some shoot themselves or have N,SN, fentanyl, some doctors have told families they have enough morphine, they used to give patients enough drugs to do it or Exit would show you how to use the hood. Many were even tried and found not guilty. It happens all the time. Some have connections. A lot don't look like suicide. I could have done something if I knew earlier. I'm suffering needlessly like so many but others don't illegal or legally. I hope you find relief. I can't physically get better. I will suffer until I die or MAiD becomes available and I suffer through hopefully approval but once I decline mentally I might not make it through and someone can decide its morally wrong to let me go. I don't like to see anyone suffer. I hope the best for you.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I feel like we could petition to the Darknet

Seriously, though, unless one of these underground Chinese labs starts making it, I think it's gone for good.

 

[urgent]

Procuring it is next to impossible

Somehow some get it. If only I had the right to stop my own suffering. I hope it changes. It seems it will for some. I wish you the best.

Seriously, though, unless one of these underground Chinese labs starts making it, I think it's gone for good.

Somehow dwd advocates used to know how to get it.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Somehow dwd advocates used to know how to get it.

I know there was powdered N from China being sold in the past, and then a guy from Mexico was selling it more recently, but he was arrested.

 

[Alan James]

I found quite a lot of supposed offers of Nembutal for sale on different sites on the darknet. Like this for example "28g Nembutal Powder //Purity 85.1%". Nebmutal sold on the darknet is most likely a scam, right?

I also found several places where they sell Seconal (secobarbital sodium). It is even more powerful than Nembutal if I'm not mistaken. Are this offers to sell Seconal also a scam?

 

[intr0verse]

Secobarbital is not more powerful than pentobarbital, it just has a slightly faster onset but a slightly slower peak (keeping the user in a euphoric state a bit longer) so because of this, secobarbital was considered better recreationally. When used for end of life, they're the same. Pretty sure the offers you found are scams.

 

[urgent]

I know there was powdered N from China being sold in the past, and then a guy from Mexico was selling it more recently, but he was arrested.

Which guy are you referring to the Ken guy? Isn't there any sources? No one can DM me? It's so wrong to make people suffer when they are in this much pain. I'm so desperately hurting I wish I could ask veterinarians or people whose loved ones got MAiD compounds they didn't or aren't going to use. Alcohol, cigarettes, medical Marijuana, illegal drugs, doctors selling opiates, why can't I find N, let us at least have a doctor9 examine us and be allowed to help us out when nothing can make us better. Companies make money off of many things that harm us, like many medications, why not make your money and let us have access to painless ways? I think a doctor should be able to prescribe it and administer it on site.Make it more bareable for everyone that way.I don't know what country it was but it made it sound like they got a script for eol meds and went to a place that cremated or had the funeral there at the place they helped them pass

I found quite a lot of supposed offers of Nembutal for sale on different sites on the darknet. Like this for example "28g Nembutal Powder //Purity 85.1%". Nebmutal sold on the darknet is most likely a scam, right?

I also found several places where they sell Seconal (secobarbital sodium). It is even more powerful than Nembutal if I'm not mistaken. Are this offers to sell Seconal also a scam?

Let me know if you find anything please. I hope someone can. Look up the nembutal scam list, you might have found one of the scam pharmacy sites

 

[Alpacachino]

I'm sure it would be a top seller on Amazon.The problem is it's just unavailable.

 

[urgent]

I know there was powdered N from China being sold in the past, and then a guy from Mexico was selling it more recently, but he was arrested.

I saw a guy selling what he said was from a vet in Mexico I asked for a picture but couldn't find that image when I searched. Small box with dog picture, I couldn't read it ,in Spanish but couldn't enlarge enough to read to translate but quit trying when I asked to take out bottles and one cap was different. I said why's it open,he said he wanted to smell it. Did anyone else see that or buy it? Anyone who can share if they were able to buy and if they were scammed or not recently? I don't know how updated the N scam site is and haven't seen one for SN or anything else. If you've been lucky and would willing please PM. Ty

I'm sure it would be a top seller on Amazon.The problem is it's just unavailable.

Someone could make a lot of money. It's not like there isn't a market.

 

[Alpacachino]

Someone could make a lot of money. It's not like there isn't a market

Not much money to be made. First, there won't be any repeat buyers.

So it's not like any other drugs.

Secondly, it's highly illegal everywhere. At least some other recreational drugs are not illegal In many countries.

 

[urgent]

Not much money to be made. First, there won't be any repeat buyers.

So it's not like any other drugs.

Secondly, it's highly illegal everywhere. At least some other recreational drugs are not illegal In many countries.

I know no repeat but its seems there is a constant supply of buyers if only there was a way

 

[Jello Biafra]

Due to a number of factors, most notably that there is no market for it. For one, ever since much safer benzos were brought to market, doctors basically stopped prescribing barbiturates, leaving a tiny market for it.

Two, it's a niche drug - almost all drug abusers out there are not looking for Nembutal or any other barb. Drug pushers on the DW are in business to make money. They aren't going to go out of their way to provide something people don't want - especially when they'd be risking providing this drug to people who want it to ctb. They don't want the heat.

The only commonly available barb is thiopental, and unless you are adept at placing IVs and an infusion kit, it's entirely unrealistic. You pass out within just a few seconds of injecting it IV, so there isn't enough time to get the amount you need in to your system - you lose consciousness before you get that far. Propofol is the same way. And even if you attempted this, missing the vein can cause necrosis and severe pain.

Bottom line it's entirely unrealistic. According to Exit Intl, they have not once seen someone obtain legitimate Nembutal from the dark web - not even once. They did have the "peanut project" where Exit tried to synthesize Pentobarbital on their own, however there are no details about it because they got in trouble with Australian authorities for doing this. You have to have the precursor barb acid to do this and it's highly controlled and impossible to get your hands on, assuming you have a chemistry background and had the equipment and know how to even synthesize it.

 

[badatparties]

To those looking for N

I'm writing this because I'm sick of people getting scammed. Unless there is a confirmed seller in the Peaceful Pill handbook, or by others on here, anyone claiming to sell N on the internet is a scam every single time! Especially on the clear net. Here is the Nembutal scams website created by...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[intr0verse]

I saw a guy selling what he said was from a vet in Mexico I asked for a picture but couldn't find that image when I searched. Small box with dog picture, I couldn't read it ,in Spanish but couldn't enlarge enough to read to translate but quit trying when I asked to take out bottles and one cap was different. I said why's it open,he said he wanted to smell it. Did anyone else see that or buy it? Anyone who can share if they were able to buy and if they were scammed or not recently? I don't know how updated the N scam site is and haven't seen one for SN or anything else. If you've been lucky and would willing please PM. Ty

Someone could make a lot of money. It's not like there isn't a market.

If that guy is a member here, i suggest you report that to the mods. Maybe you can save others the pain of losing their money.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Anyone implicated in such trade of euthanasia drugs, would likely get more heat from authorities. Unlike accidental deaths from recreational drugs, with the sale of N they would be linked to deaths that they deliberately and knowingly helped to facilitate. Plus, lack of repeat customers as others have said.

 

[badatparties]

Anyone implicated in such trade of euthanasia drugs, would likely get more heat from authorities. Unlike accidental deaths from recreational drugs, with the sale of N they would be linked to deaths that they deliberately and knowingly helped to facilitate. Plus, lack of repeat customers as others have said.

Selling euthanasia drugs is how you get the authorities in different countries working together to put you in in a federal pound me in the ass prison. Also, don't give sources or instructions to people on here about CTB. Let them read through the forums. You don't want to be responsible for that. Granted, the way this Kenneth guy did it was probably moronic.

Former chef Kenneth Law charged with 14 counts of murder for selling kits that led to suicides in Canada

Kenneth Law already faces charges for allegedly "counseling or aiding" suicides across Ontario province, according to documents.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Alan James]

Why are fentanyl and carfentanil recommended so much less often than Nembutal?

They're sold a lot on the darknet. Aren't they just as effective and painless as Nembutal? Carfentanil is supposed to be much more potent than Nembutal (or anything else, really); it's been used to euthanize elephants, for example.

 

[leloyon]

Mainly availability. Barbiturates like Nembutal have largely been replaced by benzodiazapines and Z-drugs, which means that the only people really looking for barbiturates nowadays are people who want to die.

Selling a drug knowing that someone will commit suicide with it is probably bad for one's conscience, because even if drug dealers are selling drugs to addicts, there is a difference in their mind between "selling a drug that they're gonna get high on" and "selling people literal poison. that they're gonna use as poison. as in you know for a fact that they are going to use this once to die and that is its sole purpose".

Even if you want to think of all dealers as remorseless scum who have no regard for their customers, selling poison to those who you know will take said poison is bad for business, and will get you into even further trouble than just being a regular drug dealer, as our pal Ken Law can surely attest to.

So put it all together; it's next to impossible to get nowadays, everyone knows why someone would be buying it, many drug dealers actually have some form of morals, even if they didn't it's bad for business, and (once again, EVERYONE KNOWS WHY YOU WOULD BUY IT) the punishment for the dealer if caught would be more severe compared to their standard gear.

 

[urgent]

If that guy is a member here, i suggest you report that to the mods. Maybe you can save others the pain of losing their money.

No, I would have reported it. I don't want to see that happen

 

[whitefeather]

The problem is availability. Back when D was around, it was far more popular, but since then it's become virtually impossible for the average user to source. While it's one of the more peaceful methods, it's lack of accessibility has led to it falling out of popularity in favor of more acquirable methods like SN.

'D' > https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/p...y-importing-suicide-drug-united-states-mexico

 

[isthisit?]

Ever since X went dark in 2021, I think!? there hasnt been a reliable way to get N