Why is SN so popular?

[Kinasea]

Im kind of new here so i was hoping someone could give me the rundown. I dont know what SN stands for or means, and a lot of people seem to prefer this method. Is it more peaceful than others? Does it have a high success rate? What makes it such an attractive option?

 

[zenirsar]

SN Bible Sodium Nitrite Method (Comprehensive Guide SN Method)

Sodium Nitrite (SN) Method Introduction This document is a compilation of different sn information, members inputs, important posts related to sn, recorded suicide cases related to sn, different research on sn and so on. This document also give a full understanding of SN, what it is, how it...

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Check this thread, it has most of the questions you have.

 

[pariah80]

Sodium Nitrate. I don't know much more about it than you. I guess it's popular because a lot of people on here live in places where acquiring things like firearms and other materials are either very difficult or even impossible. So, they have to find other methods. I don't know how peaceful or painless it is. I'm pretty sure that if some of the people on this site could actually obtain a gun, they'd just go ahead and use that. Pain be damned.

Anyway, welcome, and good luck in your journey... no matter what you decide to do.

 

[Unspoken7612]

SN stands for Sodium Nitrite, which is more properly called NaNO2 (with a little 2). SN is a slightly more understandable name. It is not to be confused with Sodium Nitrate, which is a different chemical.

There is a guide to it here:

SN megathread

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods. Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The advantages of SN, which I am here stating without suggesting anything about suicide:

- Accessibility. SN is not easy to get hold of, but it isn't especially difficult either. It is not a controlled substance the way that, say, heroin is. Some of the recommended "supporting" drugs can be harder to get hold of, especially benzodiazepines which are controlled substances.
- Privacy and non-violence. An SN suicide can take place in private, either in the comfort of your home or in a hotel room. This is attractive to people who do not want to commit suicide in a public place. It is also non-violent, a term used broadly to refer to any death resulting from force on the body. While there is the tragedy for surviving friends and family, and some trauma for whoever finds the body, it doesn't "involve" someone in your death the way that some methods do, and there are not "bystanders".
- Low risk of non-lethal harm. Unlike some more peaceful methods, if a SN suicide is interrupted then it is unlikely you will suffer permanent damage unless you have progressed quite far.
- Low technical competence. Compared to some other methods, SN is relatively foolproof. There are some potential barriers for people who cannot weigh things, but most people can.

This is balanced by:
- Moderate discomfort. SN is not painless, with most people who take it experiencing nausea and vomiting, even with the use of antiemetics, as well as other symptoms like tachycardia, headaches, and sometimes shortness of breath.
- Low reliability. SN can kill at fairly low levels but a sizeable proportion of attempts fail. This seems to be primarily because the attempter regrets their decision and calls out for medical treatment. This interacts with "low risk of non-lethal harm" - it's somewhat more acceptable for SN to be slightly less reliable than other methods because the consequences of a "failure" are now. That said, SN should not be used for "suicidal gestures" as it is still very deadly and clinicians may not have the antidote to hand.

 

[rozeske]

Low reliability. SN can kill at fairly low levels but a sizeable proportion of attempts fail. This seems to be primarily because the attempter regrets their decision and calls out for medical treatment.

"Sizeable portion of attempts fail" can not be stated as a fact without enough trusted sources to back it up and success in medical intervention after calling for help doesn't make the method of low reliability or less reliable than other methods.

 

[feelinggloomy]

I agree with the posts … it can be done in private and is somewhat reliable if you do it right. My son could not get a firearm and realized throwing himself from a cliff was difficult. He settled on SN and CTB.

 

[Unspoken7612]

"Sizeable portion of attempts fail" can not be stated as a fact without enough trusted sources to back it up and success in medical intervention after calling for help doesn't make the method of low reliability or less reliable than other methods.

There are plenty of documented failures on here as well as documented successes, of course. I will grant that this is not rigorous evidence.

I do think it's fair to count "I was in so much discomfort I called for medical treatment" as a failed suicide. We would count that as a failure if it was hanging, for instance.

 

[EmptyCurtainCall]

There are plenty of documented failures on here as well as documented successes, of course. I will grant that this is not rigorous evidence.

I do think it's fair to count "I was in so much discomfort I called for medical treatment" as a failed suicide. We would count that as a failure if it was hanging, for instance.

at the rate we've seen it's about an 83% chance of success . ~17% margin of error is far from "low reliability" and the majority of fails are related to intervention or dosages below the lethal amount . the latter is a user error and completely at the fault of whoever is using it , not the chemical . and a lot of the ppl who freak out and ask for help didn't follow protocol , using benzos which can help to suppress SI and get ppl unconscious faster . some ppl have no control over getting found , tho . nothing to do w the reliability of SN .

 

[athiestjoe]

Probably a balance of a lot of factors. A few that come to mind:

• Easy and affordable to acquire
• Straightforward setup technically and logistically
• Very lethal and reliable when following protocol and prob most importantly do not call for help or get 'rescued' (the vast, vast majority of failures are due to this over anything else)
• It's easy to acquire if you know where to look and following the breadcrumbs here is quite the breeze
• It is legal (may have restrictions in locations but it is legal)
• Comfort from own home, in your own bed which other methods may not be possible or feasible to do
• Relatively peaceful
• Little, if any, long-term damage if a failure

It is relatively easy to just drink a liquid, put up with side effects like throwing up, headache and tachycardia for 15–20 minutes rather than trying to do a hanging, leap off a building, get hit by a train, etc. While SI can exist with any method, it is a little less visceral SI with SN than with other methods.

These factors likely contribute to its popularity here. Many of the points mentioned also apply, to some extent, to methods like inert gas. While inert gas is nice and lethal and reliable when executed correctly, is legal, provides comfort at home, and is peaceful, it does require more technical expertise to feel confident. Additionally, it tends to be more expensive and could result in damage if something goes wrong. Overall, while inert gas is a generally effective method, there are a few aspects that might give SN an advantage, especially on this site.

With whatever you decide, I hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.

 

[rozeske]

There are plenty of documented failures on here as well as documented successes, of course. I will grant that this is not rigorous evidence.

I do think it's fair to count "I was in so much discomfort I called for medical treatment" as a failed suicide. We would count that as a failure if it was hanging, for instance.

Yes they can not be established as evidence that sn of low reliability.

Most don't call for help because they are in so much discomfort and wanting to make it stop. They call because they realize they don't want to die in that moment and the fact that most of those that call for help can't be saved or are DOA shows how lethal sn is. Yes those can be called a failed suicide attempt but we can't say sn fails, here is your proof. The best that can be said is that it can take up to 20 minutes to be unconscious, giving plenty chance for doubt and panic.

 

[disabledlife]

It's a better alternative to N (impossible, now, to buy for example), for peaceful CTB. BUT, SN is, now, more and more controlled, more and more difficult to buy, etc. Because pro-lifes governments, peoples, etc, trying to make lifes, prisons more and more inescapable.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

It sounds like the best suicide method available to most people here. If done correctly and you don't end up calling for help due to SI, it seems to be almost guaranteed that you'd successfully die from it. Plus drinking a poison is far better than most available suicide methods which are honestly just horrific and brutal. Whilst I personally can't access SN (I'd be long gone by now if I could), I do understand the appeal behind it. Sure, it isn't 100% peaceful due to the side effects but it is far, far, far, far more peaceful than most suicide methods

 

[Unspoken7612]

at the rate we've seen it's about an 83% chance of success . ~17% margin of error is far from "low reliability" and the majority of fails are related to intervention or dosages below the lethal amount . the latter is a user error and completely at the fault of whoever is using it , not the chemical . and a lot of the ppl who freak out and ask for help didn't follow protocol , using benzos which can help to suppress SI and get ppl unconscious faster . some ppl have no control over getting found , tho . nothing to do w the reliability of SN .

To be clear, that makes it about as reliable in the field as jumping in front of a train. That's generally considered too unreliable.

It's not as unreliable as, say, trying to OD on SSRIs (not a real method) or trying to exsanguinate. But it's not at the level of reliability of MAID or a well-done gunshot.

 

[skatergirl]

SN stands for Sodium Nitrite, which is more properly called NaNO2 (with a little 2). SN is a slightly more understandable name. It is not to be confused with Sodium Nitrate, which is a different chemical.

There is a guide to it here:

SN megathread

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods. Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The advantages of SN, which I am here stating without suggesting anything about suicide:

- Accessibility. SN is not easy to get hold of, but it isn't especially difficult either. It is not a controlled substance the way that, say, heroin is. Some of the recommended "supporting" drugs can be harder to get hold of, especially benzodiazepines which are controlled substances.
- Privacy and non-violence. An SN suicide can take place in private, either in the comfort of your home or in a hotel room. This is attractive to people who do not want to commit suicide in a public place. It is also non-violent, a term used broadly to refer to any death resulting from force on the body. While there is the tragedy for surviving friends and family, and some trauma for whoever finds the body, it doesn't "involve" someone in your death the way that some methods do, and there are not "bystanders".
- Low risk of non-lethal harm. Unlike some more peaceful methods, if a SN suicide is interrupted then it is unlikely you will suffer permanent damage unless you have progressed quite far.
- Low technical competence. Compared to some other methods, SN is relatively foolproof. There are some potential barriers for people who cannot weigh things, but most people can.

This is balanced by:
- Moderate discomfort. SN is not painless, with most people who take it experiencing nausea and vomiting, even with the use of antiemetics, as well as other symptoms like tachycardia, headaches, and sometimes shortness of breath.
- Low reliability. SN can kill at fairly low levels but a sizeable proportion of attempts fail. This seems to be primarily because the attempter regrets their decision and calls out for medical treatment. This interacts with "low risk of non-lethal harm" - it's somewhat more acceptable for SN to be slightly less reliable than other methods because the consequences of a "failure" are now. That said, SN should not be used for "suicidal gestures" as it is still very deadly and clinicians may not have the antidote to hand.

Hmm why do ppl regret their descision this leads me to believe that it is painful…?

 

[maniac116]

Short answer is that it's legal & readily available.
It's pretty effective & relatively painless