Discussion what if only one of us dies? (when going with a partner)

[no_another_hell]

this is something to worry about right? let's say we both take SN, and for some fucked reason one of us ends up surviving it, while the other dies. now you have a dead body to deal with and how would you prove you didn't murder the other person??

are (SN especially) suicide pacts really just a convoluted way to end up in jail forever?? this shit scares the absolute living fuck out of me

i suppose for stuff like jumping you should be mostly fine, because unless you have the worst luck on the planet you will definitely both be dead, and if you chickened out that doesn't prove you pushed the other person

are there any documented cases on this ?
experiences from people here ?

 

[itsgone2]

Do you have a pact or just wondering? I've wondered if having a partner would make it easier. Solo hasn't worked.

 

[no_another_hell]

Do you have a pact or just wondering? I've wondered if having a partner would make it easier. Solo hasn't worked.

not yet, but i really want one (ive been eyeing the partners thread for quite some time now) because i dont think i can do it alone

i need someone to calm me down so i can be at peace with dying, i think. but there's so many logistical issues that it just ends up scaring me in different ways.
i really hope it's possible to form one and have it work out

 

[itsgone2]

not yet, but i really want one (ive been eyeing the partners thread for quite some time now) because i dont think i can do it alone

i need someone to calm me down so i can be at peace with dying, i think. but there's so many logistical issues that it just ends up scaring me in different ways.
i really hope it's possible to form one and have it work out

Yeah I agree. Not sure if it would really be better or not. I don't need calmed down I just get frozen from SI.

 

[snow_in_summer]

Yeah I agree. Not sure if it would really be better or not. I don't need calmed down I just get frozen from SI.

For me it kinda just feels like it'd be a nice thing to share with a person or it'd be easier, idk. I guess it's scary thinking about the consequences but I always had an idealized vision of how it'd be, so.

 

[Cauliflour]

Suicide pacts are cool to me but the thought of being alive next to a bloody corpse freaks me out cause like what if the police come in?

 

[AntarusDragon]

Well, before doing anything, you need to have a plan B.

 

[intr0verse]

The other person might get into trouble.

 

[cait_sith]

It's why I am very hesitant to do partners, no matter how nice the fantasy of it might be, if I survive and somehow am not able to go through with it after wwards, or get revived while the other person isn't, it could unleash hell, criminal prosecution, parents finding out about me and blaming me, guilt, etc.

 

[debaser]

this is something to worry about right? let's say we both take SN, and for some fucked reason one of us ends up surviving it, while the other dies. now you have a dead body to deal with and how would you prove you didn't murder the other person??

are (SN especially) suicide pacts really just a convoluted way to end up in jail forever?? this shit scares the absolute living fuck out of me

i suppose for stuff like jumping you should be mostly fine, because unless you have the worst luck on the planet you will definitely both be dead, and if you chickened out that doesn't prove you pushed the other person

are there any documented cases on this ?
experiences from people here ?

it could potentially result in legal consequences.

i think that if i didn't ctb during the partnered attempt, it would probably act as an incentive to try again. and again, if necessary. until success.

there's still plenty ways to end one's life in prison. if i got horribly unlucky enough to survive AND go to prison, it wouldn't necessarily mean the pact was over.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Even if both of y'all died, there still could be legal consequences - one, or each, of the other's family suing the other family, or estates of the deceased, civily ($$$$$$) for wrongful death. Even if the case is eventually lost in court, the sued party/parties still would have had to shell out big bucks to a lawyer to defend them.

 

[RimeOfTheAncient]

Ya, Id say you would be fucked. Maybe multiple methods with fail safes to make really really sure both CTB? I mean like CO2 in a car + 25G of SN, plus exit bag and a gun as a backup backup?

 

[Michelstaedter]

It's one of my fears and the reason why if I made a suicide pact it would be with powerful methods like weapons or if I had neambutal, I don't know, something effective enough not to end up worse and much less with the person who agreed to die with me and if I die, leave them with a tremendous disappointment like that.

There are many documented cases, I'm sure. In some cases, there will be coercion depending on the method and circumstances, as you describe, such as someone taking substances or jumping off a cliff.
Osamu Dazai was a living documented case, as I recall, he tried to do it a couple of times, once saved from imprisonment by his brother, and the other time he actually died. There's a story I read several years ago about a family making a suicide pact, but the grandmother survived. She was arrested, but I never heard what happened next.

The journalistic note is this:

Pacto suicida en San Jerónimo - La Prensa | Noticias policiacas, locales, nacionales

Injusticia la orilló: abogado

oem.com.mx

But in spanish, can be translated...

Even if both of y'all died, there still could be legal consequences - one, or each, of the other's family suing the other family, or estates of the deceased, civily ($$$$$$) for wrongful death. Even if the case is eventually lost in court, the sued party/parties still would have had to shell out big bucks to a lawyer to defend them.

It's also important to highlight what my colleague said, as it's something I'd reflected on...
I once thought about committing suicide with a girl I knew, who apparently had a gene whose degenerative disease was going to be terrible since her mother has it. However, her family has immense financial power compared to my family. I fantasized about it and came to the conclusion that I would leave a cursed inheritance if a civil lawsuit or some kind of recrimination involving revenge occurred. I don't know... I'm paranoid even about these things, but it's anticipating unpleasant situations for my family beyond my death.

 

[xhelx]

Suicide note with the handwriting and signature of both people? Idk if that would be enough but I guess it should count as proof that it was a suicide pact and not a murder

 

[starboy2k]

you might get charged with being an accomplice to murder or some shit like that

 

[no_another_hell]

you might get charged with being an accomplice to murder or some shit like that

fuck i just thought of that i believe in some jurisdictions it's also illegal to not prevent someone from comitting suicide if you had the chance to. should look up which though, but i think something like that is fairly common actually. in our defense i suppose we could say that it's quite tough stopping someone else from ending it when you're kind of busy with killing yourself at that moment, but i wouldn't trust any legal system with anything.