What are your thoughts on suicide by cop

[dime4everr]

I think this is the perfect opportunity for me to do this! I mean it's fast and simple and I don't have to back out of it or buy a gun. I think for sure I have my mind set that I wouldn't mind being killed by someone else… takes the tension off of trying to double back once more.

 

[youremy]

And what if the cop is not trigger-happy and you end up in jail?

 

[dime4everr]

And what if the cop is not trigger-happy and you end up in jail?

I think they're all trigger happy these days so we will see.

 

[Aknu132]

Too risk, better not.

 

[BoredomSeeker]

For you, personally, the risk you are taking is enormous. There are countless instances of 'dangerous' criminals being apprehended by non-lethal means, they tend to make for worse headlines though. For the cop? Seems like a hell of a way to curse another with lifelong trauma. Sure, maybe the cop is sociopathic and looking to unload his gun into someone, and you'll give him the right excuse. But maybe, the cop is just another person that you are going to force to take a life. Are you okay with giving that burden to someone?

 

[Forveleth]

It is a great way to get arrested.

 

[Hollowman]

Stupid idea.

 

[MissAbyss]

*Mugshot incoming*

 

[Bishop]

I think they're all trigger happy these days so we will see.

Hardly. They are trained. You'd just end up maimed. Their careers are also on the line for shooting if not required. But hey, if this were a method, we must be so behind.

 

[WhyMe123]

Ugh I've fantasized (except fantasies are not horrifying) about this as well..

Like getting a fake gun & calling the police or pulling a fake gun on a cop in order to cause a reaction to shoot in self defense, but that's out of the cards..
They might taser you or shoot you somewhere besides where you need to die…

There was a story of a girl that tried to commit suicide by shooting herself in the face and she ended up surviving and got a face transplant, but she struggles to talk because it destroyed the inside structures of her face…

As far as I understand for a firearm to effectively allow someone to CTB is to target the brainstem.. Otherwise you might just get more fucked up, end up in the hospital, jail, etc…

So yeah the cop method is probably best left in the crazy imaginary world…

 

[Myforevercharlie]

My brother went out that way.

Wouldn't recommend

 

[dime4everr]

For you, personally, the risk you are taking is enormous. There are countless instances of 'dangerous' criminals being apprehended by non-lethal means, they tend to make for worse headlines though. For the cop? Seems like a hell of a way to curse another with lifelong trauma. Sure, maybe the cop is sociopathic and looking to unload his gun into someone, and you'll give him the right excuse. But maybe, the cop is just another person that you are going to force to take a life. Are you okay with giving that burden to someone?

I mean there is a plethora of instances where cops have used guns on others without it being necessary(even without firearm involved) I do care if it may effect them long term but I hope it's someone who would care less to CTB me.

My brother went out that way.

Wouldn't recommend

Why?

 

[FnlExitProtocol93]

Ugh I've fantasized (except fantasies are not horrifying) about this as well..

Like getting a fake gun & calling the police or pulling a fake gun on a cop in order to cause a reaction to shoot in self defense, but that's out of the cards..
They might taser you or shoot you somewhere besides where you need to die…

There was a story of a girl that tried to commit suicide by shooting herself in the face and she ended up surviving and got a face transplant, but she struggles to talk because it destroyed the inside structures of her face…

As far as I understand for a firearm to effectively allow someone to CTB is to target the brainstem.. Otherwise you might just get more fucked up, end up in the hospital, jail, etc…

So yeah the cop method is probably best left in the crazy imaginary world…

Ah okay so it's the brainstem that must be destroyed. Makes sense now. I was wondering where to aim.

 

[soon4good]

With my luck they'd shoot me an extra 200 years of existence in a state of locked-in syndrome. Way too risky for a bitch like me.

 

[WhyMe123]

Ah okay so it's the brainstem that must be destroyed. Makes sense now. I was wondering where to aim.

I have not researched it a lot & there's probably more to it. But as far as I understand, that's it.
That's why people typically put the gun in their mouth & aim up, because that's right below the brain stem - which is basically the main connecting structure that keeps us alive

I'd suggest to check out the megathread on firearms.
This is a list of them, which includes firearms.

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[FnlExitProtocol93]

I have not researched it a lot & there's probably more to it. But as far as I understand, that's it.
That's why people typically put the gun in their mouth & aim up, because that's right below the brain stem - which is basically the main connecting structure that keeps us alive

I'd suggest to check out the megathread on firearms.
This is a list of them, which includes firearms.

Suicide Resource Compilation

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Wow thank you I really appreciate it!

 

[name2come]

I think suicide by forcing someone else to actually do the killing is frankly immoral. I will acknowledge that the specific instance of "suicide by cop" is exploiting another bit of immorality in LEOs who are so quick to use lethal force that its begun to be seen as a moderately reliable suicide method. Nevertheless, not only are you enlisting a stranger into doing what you won't, you are endangering gosh knows how many others by trying to trigger a firefight. I can empathize with your desperation, but its a deplorable act to do so much harm in an attempt to end your own life.

Stepping back from the dubious morality of it, it is also only dubiously reliable. There is no guarantee that you won't meet a cop who actually shows some restraint and has been trained well. There is no guarantee that you won't meet a cop that can't get off a kill shot and only maims or injures you. And failure doesn't even just carry the risk of life-altering injury. You will also be in prison. Deservedly so, and potentially for the rest of your life. Maimed, horribly injured, and imprisoned is an awful failure risk.

 

[Bishop]

I think suicide by forcing someone else to actually do the killing is frankly immoral. I will acknowledge that the specific instance of "suicide by cop" is exploiting another bit of immorality in LEOs who are so quick to use lethal force that its begun to be seen as a moderately reliable suicide method. Nevertheless, not only are you enlisting a stranger into doing what you won't, you are endangering gosh knows how many others by trying to trigger a firefight. I can empathize with your desperation, but its a deplorable act to do so much harm in an attempt to end your own life.

Stepping back from the dubious morality of it, it is also only dubiously reliable. There is no guarantee that you won't meet a cop who actually shows some restraint and has been trained well. There is no guarantee that you won't meet a cop that can't get off a kill shot and only maims or injures you. And failure doesn't even just carry the risk of life-altering injury. You will also be in prison. Deservedly so, and potentially for the rest of your life. Maimed, horribly injured, and imprisoned is an awful failure risk.

Amen brother/sister!

 

[CatLvr]

I think they're all trigger happy these days so we will see.

Actually no they are not, no matter what the mainstream media would like for you to think. Or else the death rate vs
encounters with cops would be MUCH MUCH higher than it is. I have attended 2 funerals for cops who, instead of shooting someone, took their chances and drew the short straw. I know that the cop I was married to would have been destroyed if he had ever killed anyone -- no matter how much they might have deserved it. He was a piece of shit behind closed doors but bent over backwards trying to help every single stranger he ran across in a shift -- even the ones who wanted him dead. More than a few guys showed up at the house years after running across him for one reason or another and said he was the reason they got clean or got their life straightened out -- because he treated them like human beings and not the ... piece of shit, worthless human, deadbeat ... they were (their words not mine).

And don't y'all start with me ... I am old enough I have been called all the ugly names you can think of and then some. We are ALL entitled to our own opinions about shit, and this is mine. Oh ya know nevermind go ahead and tell me what a piece of shit I am because I think it is disgusting that a human being who wants to be seen as an individual and treated like their character is worth something is broad-brushing other humans because of what they do for a living. Just know upfront I won't be responding to any remarks -- so there ya go ... Have at it, if it makes you feel better..

I am here to tell you some cops are literal pieces of shit who need killing. Some cops are the salt of the earth and got into the job for all the right reasons. Thing is you don't know which type is gonna get "your" callout. Besides, it's kinda not cool to get someone else to do your dirty work for you.

I've been done over by the world, too, and there have been plenty of times I have wanted to die but it NEVER crossed my mind to try and force another person's hand and make them carry that burden for the rest of their lives. That seems like an awfully cruel thing to do to another person -- especially since an awful lot of us are here because of the cruelty of the people in our lives.

 

[Bishop]

Actually no they are not, no matter what the mainstream media would like for you to think. Or else the death rate vs
encounters with cops would be MUCH MUCH higher than it is. I have attended 2 funerals for cops who, instead of shooting someone, took their chances and drew the short straw. I know that the cop I was married to would have been destroyed if he had ever killed anyone -- no matter how much they might have deserved it. He was a piece of shit behind closed doors but bent over backwards trying to help every single stranger he ran across in a shift -- even the ones who wanted him dead. More than a few guys showed up at the house years after running across him for one reason or another and said he was the reason they got clean or got their life straightened out -- because he treated them like human beings and not the ... piece of shit, worthless human, deadbeat ... they were (their words not mine).

And don't y'all start with me ... I am old enough I have been called all the ugly names you can think of and then some. We are ALL entitled to our own opinions about shit, and this is mine. Oh ya know nevermind go ahead and tell me what a piece of shit I am because I think it is disgusting that a human being who wants to be seen as an individual and treated like their character is worth something is broad-brushing other humans because of what they do for a living. Just know upfront I won't be responding to any remarks -- so there ya go ... Have at it, if it makes you feel better..

I am here to tell you some cops are literal pieces of shit who need killing. Some cops are the salt of the earth and got into the job for all the right reasons. Thing is you don't know which type is gonna get "your" callout. Besides, it's kinda not cool to get someone else to do your dirty work for you.

I've been done over by the world, too, and there have been plenty of times I have wanted to die but it NEVER crossed my mind to try and force another person's hand and make them carry that burden for the rest of their lives. That seems like an awfully cruel thing to do to another person -- especially since an awful lot of us are here because of the cruelty of the people in our lives.

Agreed. Definitely not the right thing to have someone else do the deed that ones too lazy or scared to do. It's your life, gotta be a big boy (or girl) and own it (stay or go).

 

[meowmrrpmeowmeow]

really bad horrible idea

 

[ihateittoo]

I think this is the perfect opportunity for me to do this! I mean it's fast and simple and I don't have to back out of it or buy a gun. I think for sure I have my mind set that I wouldn't mind being killed by someone else… takes the tension off of trying to double back once more.

i would never risk it. the only thing worse than being suicidal is being suicidal in prison. if you get unlucky and get a cop that isnt trigger happy(which may be hard to find in usa lol) your life is FUCKED.

 

[CatLvr]

i would never risk it. the only thing worse than being suicidal is being suicidal in prison. if you get unlucky and get a cop that isnt trigger happy(which may be hard to find in usa lol) your life is FUCKED.

@COP2CON I think you could probably add an awful lot to this discussion if you are so inclined. (And let me apologize upfront if I'm causing you any kinda bad feelings. I just know you have been very open in other comments both about having been a police officer and being suicidal inside.)

 

[COP2CON]

*clears throat*
So, I'm going to start out by saying its a horrible idea. I'll touch on some points that may have already been pointed out but whatever.

First, if you are in the USA, there's a little something called the 8th Amendment to remain free from cruel and unusual punishment. Because of that and subsequent court rulings, it is illegal for law enforcement to shoot to maime or injure. A sidearm is deadly force and only authorized for deadly force. If you have time to shoot to maime someone, the situation has not escalated to deadly force and it is thereby illegal. Numerous case law on it, not going to do all the legwork. So that means law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill. We were trained for headshots and center mass shots only. No arms or legs or horseshit like that. Training consists of being on a range and completing a super easy course of fire with not stressors.

When the real thing happen, there is stress out the ass and most people are terrible shots including cops. Most of the time if your shot, it is accidentally in a non vital area. It can be anywhere but there are many people who lose functionality in limbs, mobility, are paralyzed, become a vegetable, the options are endless. Also it depends on the ammo the agency uses. I was issued terrible rounds and it took 3 shots to kill a deer I hit once. A guy in the cell across from me in jail got shot 7 times an didnt die. The got him stable at the hospital and he was transferred to the jail 2 days later where he was unable to get up for a couple months. So its not guaranteed you will die and if you look at the statistics, far more people live in an officer involved shooting than die. Like a staggering amount.

Also there's the" what if they don't shoot?" I was in a brief standoff with like 30 of my former brothers and sisters in blue, pointing an impressive array of weaponry at me. I was armed and no one shot me. It happens far less often than one thinks. There are millions of law enforcement encounters daily. You feel like you hear about shootings regularly but that's 1 in a million. The odds are against you.

Then there is a point I saw above and agree with. Don't put you suicide on someone else. Don't traumatize that individual forever for doing nothing more than responding to a call for help. You carry the deaths forever. I never shot anyone as a cop(like 99% of all other cops) but i still carry bad stuff with me. I see ghosts when I close my eyes.

Finally, so you don't ctb and they don't kill you. Your then arrested and taken to jail where you'll receive substandard care and treatment. Depending on the charges you'll either get a bond or won't and will eventually go to court where youll probably receive probation and be sentenced to mental health treatment. You may end up with jail time which you should count your lucky stars because jail is the 5 star Hilton you get to stay at either before or instead of prison. In an extreme scenerio you could get prison time.

Being suicidal in prison sucks. There's only a few ways out. Either bed sheet on the bars or shaving razor blade. I was here for advice and info for this but currently have found a reason to live, a person to live for so I'm here for the foreseeable future whereas I was on my way out.

Final thoughts, please please don't do this. It messes up the cops involved, ems, and whomever may be in the area. Also its dangerous as hell because whether you die or not, one missed round can kill or seriously injure someone completely uninvolved. Dont make the assumption that some sniper or crack shot is going to lay you out clean. Where I worked we had no sniper and some fail qualification a few times till they get it and only a very select few are Top Shots. Plus, bullets don't just stop when they hit a person, sometimes they go through as well and can hit others.

Im sorry your here and I'm sorry for your pain. There's a community here to help you with whatever you need no matter what direction you go but please don't you or anyone else attempt this. It is nothing but bad.

Also @CatLvr

 

[CatLvr]

*clears throat*
So, I'm going to start out by saying its a horrible idea. I'll touch on some points that may have already been pointed out but whatever.

First, if you are in the USA, there's a little something called the 8th Amendment to remain free from cruel and unusual punishment. Because of that and subsequent court rulings, it is illegal for law enforcement to shoot to maime or injure. A sidearm is deadly force and only authorized for deadly force. If you have time to shoot to maime someone, the situation has not escalated to deadly force and it is thereby illegal. Numerous case law on it, not going to do all the legwork. So that means law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill. We were trained for headshots and center mass shots only. No arms or legs or horseshit like that. Training consists of being on a range and completing a super easy course of fire with not stressors.

When the real thing happen, there is stress out the ass and most people are terrible shots including cops. Most of the time if your shot, it is accidentally in a non vital area. It can be anywhere but there are many people who lose functionality in limbs, mobility, are paralyzed, become a vegetable, the options are endless. Also it depends on the ammo the agency uses. I was issued terrible rounds and it took 3 shots to kill a deer I hit once. A guy in the cell across from me in jail got shot 7 times an didnt die. The got him stable at the hospital and he was transferred to the jail 2 days later where he was unable to get up for a couple months. So its not guaranteed you will die and if you look at the statistics, far more people live in an officer involved shooting than die. Like a staggering amount.

Also there's the" what if they don't shoot?" I was in a brief standoff with like 30 of my former brothers and sisters in blue, pointing an impressive array of weaponry at me. I was armed and no one shot me. It happens far less often than one thinks. There are millions of law enforcement encounters daily. You feel like you hear about shootings regularly but that's 1 in a million. The odds are against you.

Then there is a point I saw above and agree with. Don't put you suicide on someone else. Don't traumatize that individual forever for doing nothing more than responding to a call for help. You carry the deaths forever. I never shot anyone as a cop(like 99% of all other cops) but i still carry bad stuff with me. I see ghosts when I close my eyes.

Finally, so you don't ctb and they don't kill you. Your then arrested and taken to jail where you'll receive substandard care and treatment. Depending on the charges you'll either get a bond or won't and will eventually go to court where youll probably receive probation and be sentenced to mental health treatment. You may end up with jail time which you should count your lucky stars because jail is the 5 star Hilton you get to stay at either before or instead of prison. In an extreme scenerio you could get prison time.

Being suicidal in prison sucks. There's only a few ways out. Either bed sheet on the bars or shaving razor blade. I was here for advice and info for this but currently have found a reason to live, a person to live for so I'm here for the foreseeable future whereas I was on my way out.

Final thoughts, please please don't do this. It messes up the cops involved, ems, and whomever may be in the area. Also its dangerous as hell because whether you die or not, one missed round can kill or seriously injure someone completely uninvolved. Dont make the assumption that some sniper or crack shot is going to lay you out clean. Where I worked we had no sniper and some fail qualification a few times till they get it and only a very select few are Top Shots. Plus, bullets don't just stop when they hit a person, sometimes they go through as well and can hit others.

Im sorry your here and I'm sorry for your pain. There's a community here to help you with whatever you need no matter what direction you go but please don't you or anyone else attempt this. It is nothing but bad.

Also @CatLvr

Thank you sweetie. I knew you add something to the conversation I would miss. The some cops being bad shots is an important one. My husband and I were competitive shooters for several years. He tried CONSTANTLY to get his co-workers to join us. Rarely did they ever -- I only knew a handful of officers who were as good a shot as me and I was a B-class shooter.

My old man, however -- that man could thread a needle. The one time he decided it was a good idea to beat my ass (to be fair I take a lot of pride in being able to bring out the worst in people who have decided to get uppity with me ) I reminded him that he was the one who had taught me how to shoot. Lol The look on his face. Thing is he never hit me again.

The common "happenings" when qualifiers came around for ANY department in this area was for a guy to come into the range, buy a case of ammo (for those of you who do not know that is a LOT of ammunition) and practice until you could hit the target reasonably often -- that is NOT an exaggeration. The things I saw when those men and women went out on the range to "brush up". I dunno the standard for other departments -- I would imagine it's the same -- but cops in my husband's department only had to shoot a 75% to pass. When you think about it -- the damage a bullet can do, the fact that shootings are ALWAYS high pressure situations (well unless the cop is a psychopath), and the fact that mistakes and miscalculations happen -- it is a wonder more innocents don't wind up shot in these situations. And by innocents I mean civilian hostages and/or other cops. But anyway ...

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I appreciate your contributions to the forum here. While I am not as active as I used to be I do care for the membership as a whole and there are more than a couple of people here I care deeply for. Take care.

*clears throat*
So, I'm going to start out by saying its a horrible idea. I'll touch on some points that may have already been pointed out but whatever.

First, if you are in the USA, there's a little something called the 8th Amendment to remain free from cruel and unusual punishment. Because of that and subsequent court rulings, it is illegal for law enforcement to shoot to maime or injure. A sidearm is deadly force and only authorized for deadly force. If you have time to shoot to maime someone, the situation has not escalated to deadly force and it is thereby illegal. Numerous case law on it, not going to do all the legwork. So that means law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill. We were trained for headshots and center mass shots only. No arms or legs or horseshit like that. Training consists of being on a range and completing a super easy course of fire with not stressors.

When the real thing happen, there is stress out the ass and most people are terrible shots including cops. Most of the time if your shot, it is accidentally in a non vital area. It can be anywhere but there are many people who lose functionality in limbs, mobility, are paralyzed, become a vegetable, the options are endless. Also it depends on the ammo the agency uses. I was issued terrible rounds and it took 3 shots to kill a deer I hit once. A guy in the cell across from me in jail got shot 7 times an didnt die. The got him stable at the hospital and he was transferred to the jail 2 days later where he was unable to get up for a couple months. So its not guaranteed you will die and if you look at the statistics, far more people live in an officer involved shooting than die. Like a staggering amount.

Also there's the" what if they don't shoot?" I was in a brief standoff with like 30 of my former brothers and sisters in blue, pointing an impressive array of weaponry at me. I was armed and no one shot me. It happens far less often than one thinks. There are millions of law enforcement encounters daily. You feel like you hear about shootings regularly but that's 1 in a million. The odds are against you.

Then there is a point I saw above and agree with. Don't put you suicide on someone else. Don't traumatize that individual forever for doing nothing more than responding to a call for help. You carry the deaths forever. I never shot anyone as a cop(like 99% of all other cops) but i still carry bad stuff with me. I see ghosts when I close my eyes.

Finally, so you don't ctb and they don't kill you. Your then arrested and taken to jail where you'll receive substandard care and treatment. Depending on the charges you'll either get a bond or won't and will eventually go to court where youll probably receive probation and be sentenced to mental health treatment. You may end up with jail time which you should count your lucky stars because jail is the 5 star Hilton you get to stay at either before or instead of prison. In an extreme scenerio you could get prison time.

Being suicidal in prison sucks. There's only a few ways out. Either bed sheet on the bars or shaving razor blade. I was here for advice and info for this but currently have found a reason to live, a person to live for so I'm here for the foreseeable future whereas I was on my way out.

Final thoughts, please please don't do this. It messes up the cops involved, ems, and whomever may be in the area. Also its dangerous as hell because whether you die or not, one missed round can kill or seriously injure someone completely uninvolved. Dont make the assumption that some sniper or crack shot is going to lay you out clean. Where I worked we had no sniper and some fail qualification a few times till they get it and only a very select few are Top Shots. Plus, bullets don't just stop when they hit a person, sometimes they go through as well and can hit others.

Im sorry your here and I'm sorry for your pain. There's a community here to help you with whatever you need no matter what direction you go but please don't you or anyone else attempt this. It is nothing but bad.

Also @CatLvr

Thank you sweetie. I knew you would add something to the conversation I missed. The some cops being bad shots is an important one. My husband and I were competitive shooters for several years. He tried CONSTANTLY to get his co-workers to join us. Rarely did they ever -- I only knew a handful of officers who were as good a shot as me and I was a B-class shooter. And the ones who did never came back out a second time. He had ONE co-worker who shot with us regularly and like my old man -- they were both A-class and more than once they would be numbers 1 and 2 overall when we were done -- he was a very good shot. It was not usual for those two to have their own little competition inside the formal competition just for bragging rights at work.

The common "happenings" when qualifiers came around for ANY department in this area was for a guy to come into the range, buy a case of ammo (for those of you who do not know that is a LOT of ammunition) and practice until you could hit the target reasonably often -- that is NOT an exaggeration. The things I saw when those men and women went out on the range to "brush up". I dunno the standard for other departments -- I would imagine it's the same -- but cops in my husband's department only had to shoot a 75% to pass. When you think about it -- the damage a bullet can do, the fact that shootings are ALWAYS high pressure situations (well unless the cop is a psychopath), and the fact that mistakes and miscalculations happen -- it is a wonder more innocents don't wind up shot in these situations. And by innocents I mean civilian hostages and/or other cops. But anyway ...

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I appreciate your contributions to the forum here. While I am not as active as I used to be I do care for the membership as a whole and there are more than a couple of people here I care deeply for. Take care.

*clears throat*
So, I'm going to start out by saying its a horrible idea. I'll touch on some points that may have already been pointed out but whatever.

First, if you are in the USA, there's a little something called the 8th Amendment to remain free from cruel and unusual punishment. Because of that and subsequent court rulings, it is illegal for law enforcement to shoot to maime or injure. A sidearm is deadly force and only authorized for deadly force. If you have time to shoot to maime someone, the situation has not escalated to deadly force and it is thereby illegal. Numerous case law on it, not going to do all the legwork. So that means law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill. We were trained for headshots and center mass shots only. No arms or legs or horseshit like that. Training consists of being on a range and completing a super easy course of fire with not stressors.

When the real thing happen, there is stress out the ass and most people are terrible shots including cops. Most of the time if your shot, it is accidentally in a non vital area. It can be anywhere but there are many people who lose functionality in limbs, mobility, are paralyzed, become a vegetable, the options are endless. Also it depends on the ammo the agency uses. I was issued terrible rounds and it took 3 shots to kill a deer I hit once. A guy in the cell across from me in jail got shot 7 times an didnt die. The got him stable at the hospital and he was transferred to the jail 2 days later where he was unable to get up for a couple months. So its not guaranteed you will die and if you look at the statistics, far more people live in an officer involved shooting than die. Like a staggering amount.

Also there's the" what if they don't shoot?" I was in a brief standoff with like 30 of my former brothers and sisters in blue, pointing an impressive array of weaponry at me. I was armed and no one shot me. It happens far less often than one thinks. There are millions of law enforcement encounters daily. You feel like you hear about shootings regularly but that's 1 in a million. The odds are against you.

Then there is a point I saw above and agree with. Don't put you suicide on someone else. Don't traumatize that individual forever for doing nothing more than responding to a call for help. You carry the deaths forever. I never shot anyone as a cop(like 99% of all other cops) but i still carry bad stuff with me. I see ghosts when I close my eyes.

Finally, so you don't ctb and they don't kill you. Your then arrested and taken to jail where you'll receive substandard care and treatment. Depending on the charges you'll either get a bond or won't and will eventually go to court where youll probably receive probation and be sentenced to mental health treatment. You may end up with jail time which you should count your lucky stars because jail is the 5 star Hilton you get to stay at either before or instead of prison. In an extreme scenerio you could get prison time.

Being suicidal in prison sucks. There's only a few ways out. Either bed sheet on the bars or shaving razor blade. I was here for advice and info for this but currently have found a reason to live, a person to live for so I'm here for the foreseeable future whereas I was on my way out.

Final thoughts, please please don't do this. It messes up the cops involved, ems, and whomever may be in the area. Also its dangerous as hell because whether you die or not, one missed round can kill or seriously injure someone completely uninvolved. Dont make the assumption that some sniper or crack shot is going to lay you out clean. Where I worked we had no sniper and some fail qualification a few times till they get it and only a very select few are Top Shots. Plus, bullets don't just stop when they hit a person, sometimes they go through as well and can hit others.

Im sorry your here and I'm sorry for your pain. There's a community here to help you with whatever you need no matter what direction you go but please don't you or anyone else attempt this. It is nothing but bad.

Also @CatLvr

Thank you sweetie. I knew you would add something to the conversation I missed. The some cops being bad shots is an important one. My husband and I were competitive shooters for several years. He tried CONSTANTLY to get his co-workers to join us. Rarely did they ever -- I only knew a handful of officers who were as good a shot as me and I was a B-class shooter. And the ones who did never came back out a second time. He had ONE co-worker who shot with us regularly and like my old man -- they were both A-class and more than once they would be numbers 1 and 2 overall when we were done -- he was a very good shot. It was not usual for those two to have their own little competition inside the formal competition just for bragging rights at work.

The common "happenings" when qualifiers came around for ANY department in this area was for a guy to come into the range, buy a case of ammo (for those of you who do not know that is a LOT of ammunition) and practice until you could hit the target reasonably often -- that is NOT an exaggeration. The things I saw when those men and women went out on the range to "brush up". I dunno the standard for other departments -- I would imagine it's the same -- but cops in my husband's department only had to shoot a 75% to pass. When you think about it -- the damage a bullet can do, the fact that shootings are ALWAYS high pressure situations (well unless the cop is a psychopath), and the fact that mistakes and miscalculations happen -- it is a wonder more innocents don't wind up shot in these situations. And by innocents I mean civilian hostages and/or other cops. But anyway ...

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I appreciate your contributions to the forum here. While I am not as active as I used to be I do care for the membership as a whole and there are more than a couple of people here I care deeply for. Take care.

*clears throat*
So, I'm going to start out by saying its a horrible idea. I'll touch on some points that may have already been pointed out but whatever.

First, if you are in the USA, there's a little something called the 8th Amendment to remain free from cruel and unusual punishment. Because of that and subsequent court rulings, it is illegal for law enforcement to shoot to maime or injure. A sidearm is deadly force and only authorized for deadly force. If you have time to shoot to maime someone, the situation has not escalated to deadly force and it is thereby illegal. Numerous case law on it, not going to do all the legwork. So that means law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill. We were trained for headshots and center mass shots only. No arms or legs or horseshit like that. Training consists of being on a range and completing a super easy course of fire with not stressors.

When the real thing happen, there is stress out the ass and most people are terrible shots including cops. Most of the time if your shot, it is accidentally in a non vital area. It can be anywhere but there are many people who lose functionality in limbs, mobility, are paralyzed, become a vegetable, the options are endless. Also it depends on the ammo the agency uses. I was issued terrible rounds and it took 3 shots to kill a deer I hit once. A guy in the cell across from me in jail got shot 7 times an didnt die. The got him stable at the hospital and he was transferred to the jail 2 days later where he was unable to get up for a couple months. So its not guaranteed you will die and if you look at the statistics, far more people live in an officer involved shooting than die. Like a staggering amount.

Also there's the" what if they don't shoot?" I was in a brief standoff with like 30 of my former brothers and sisters in blue, pointing an impressive array of weaponry at me. I was armed and no one shot me. It happens far less often than one thinks. There are millions of law enforcement encounters daily. You feel like you hear about shootings regularly but that's 1 in a million. The odds are against you.

Then there is a point I saw above and agree with. Don't put you suicide on someone else. Don't traumatize that individual forever for doing nothing more than responding to a call for help. You carry the deaths forever. I never shot anyone as a cop(like 99% of all other cops) but i still carry bad stuff with me. I see ghosts when I close my eyes.

Finally, so you don't ctb and they don't kill you. Your then arrested and taken to jail where you'll receive substandard care and treatment. Depending on the charges you'll either get a bond or won't and will eventually go to court where youll probably receive probation and be sentenced to mental health treatment. You may end up with jail time which you should count your lucky stars because jail is the 5 star Hilton you get to stay at either before or instead of prison. In an extreme scenario you could get prison time.

Being suicidal in prison sucks. There's only a few ways out. Either bed sheet on the bars or shaving razor blade. I was here for advice and info for this but currently have found a reason to live, a person to live for so I'm here for the foreseeable future whereas I was on my way out.

Final thoughts, please please don't do this. It messes up the cops involved, ems, and whomever may be in the area. Also its dangerous as hell because whether you die or not, one missed round can kill or seriously injure someone completely uninvolved. Don't make the assumption that some sniper or crack shot is going to lay you out clean. Where I worked we had no sniper and some fail qualification a few times till they get it and only a very select few are Top Shots. Plus, bullets don't just stop when they hit a person, sometimes they go through as well and can hit others.

Im sorry your here and I'm sorry for your pain. There's a community here to help you with whatever you need no matter what direction you go but please don't you or anyone else attempt this. It is nothing but bad.

Also @CatLvr

Thank you sweetie. I knew you would add something to the conversation I missed. The some cops being bad shots is an important one. My husband and I were competitive shooters for several years. He tried CONSTANTLY to get his co-workers to join us. Rarely did they ever -- I only knew a handful of officers who were as good a shot as me and I was a B-class shooter. And the ones who did never came back out a second time. He had ONE co-worker who shot with us regularly and like my old man -- they were both A-class and more than once they would be numbers 1 and 2 overall when we were done -- he was a very good shot. It was not usual for those two to have their own little competition inside the formal competition just for bragging rights at work.

The common "happenings" when qualifiers came around for ANY department in this area was for a guy to come into the range, buy a case of ammo (for those of you who do not know that is a LOT of ammunition) and practice until you could hit the target reasonably often -- that is NOT an exaggeration. The things I saw when those men and women went out on the range to "brush up". I dunno the standard for other departments -- I would imagine it's the same -- but cops in my husband's department only had to shoot a 75% to pass. When you think about it -- the damage a bullet can do, the fact that shootings are ALWAYS high pressure situations (well unless the cop is a psychopath), and the fact that mistakes and miscalculations happen -- it is a wonder more innocents don't wind up shot in these situations. And by innocents I mean civilian hostages and/or other cops. But anyway ...

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I appreciate your contributions to the forum here. While I am not as active as I used to be I do care for the membership as a whole and there are more than a couple of people here I care deeply for. Take care.

 

[StoneCactus]

A quick search on Google says that 55% of people shot by police suffer fatal injuries. Those don't look like good odds to me.

 

[CatLvr]

Oops ... I have NO CLUE how I managed that massive stutter but it is outside the window for me to correct it. I think I might need a moderator's help with this one.

@spero_meliora Sorry and thank you, dear!

 

[Oiled Sandwich]

Even though I've almost had a gun pulled on me when I was simply trying to show my driver's license, I don't recommend this route.

 

[LuxFox]

I've thought about this a lot, but I don't want to be on the news. you would immediately become the subject of some political stuff.
which is not something I want for my family or my friends.

but, idk, the police are part of why I want to CTB so I've thought about it.

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה,

Likely to get this for not buying drugs, thank G-d for the Catholic "church" I guess.