Discussion Is suicide decided on temporary emotions?

[dogemn]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

 

[tonicer]

I can only speak about myself here of course but for me it started when i was a teenager. I am now 40+ and i still want to die by suicide but i have to postpone it until my parents are gone. I can't harm them with my suicide. So for me it's not a quick decision but a long time plan.

It could be alleviated if i wasn't so damn poor and lonely. If i got a job or won the lottery i would want to continue living for a long time. Same with romance. If i met a nice lady that loves me i wouldn't think about suicide anymore.

 

[broken serenity]

I would argue it's more complex than just yes or no. Most people will not carry out something like this if their life wasn't already in a pretty bad place, and you can read any of the vents. I feel like a lot of people look at the latest negative events in the person's life prior and say that's it... but it's more than just that in the persons head.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

Probly. But its probly for their own good anyway if they experienced that much pain in that moment in this endless cycle of pain

 

[crossingtheriver]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

It's not that simple. We need a great deal of nuance to understand the situation and avoid making the sweeping assumption that all suicides are purely impulsive. This is a very subjective, say, a perfectly healthy person in his early 20s decides to kill himself because of a breakup, but is saved then goes to become successful in his professional and personal life this was possible for this person because of their inner strength shaped by secure childhood that they could tap into and come out of this phase. In another case, someone who's clearly suffered a lot right from childhood, growing up with intense psychological trauma carried into adulthood, could never keep a job nor a stable relationship, always contemplating suicide because they feel they were just built unhappy to put themselves out of misery. When they act on it, it is definitely NOT impulsive because it is an action that they took influenced by their own life for a very long time. These are just a few cases I wanted to use as examples to demonstrate my point. English is not my first language, so I could not fully articulate what I wanted to say but I hope I was able to explain the nuance.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

It's not that simple. We need a great deal of nuance to understand the situation and avoid making the sweeping assumption that all suicides are purely impulsive. This is a very subjective, say, a perfectly healthy person in his early 20s decides to kill himself because of a breakup, but is saved then goes to become successful in his professional and personal life this was possible for this person because of their inner strength shaped by secure childhood that they could tap into and come out of this phase. In another case, someone who's clearly suffered a lot right from childhood, growing up with intense psychological trauma carried into adulthood, could never keep a job nor a stable relationship, always contemplating suicide because they feel they were just built unhappy to put themselves out of misery. When they act on it, it is definitely NOT impulsive because it is an action that they took influenced by their own life for a very long time. These are just a few cases I wanted to use as examples to demonstrate my point. English is not my first language, so I could not fully articulate what I wanted to say but I hope I was able to explain the nuance.

What about the majority of the ppl who were somewhat depressed but not suicidal, but then just had one bad day?

i think all it did is open the eyes. Most ppl live shitty lives but are used to it or believe in some other delusion keeping them alive

Since the mediocrity happens bit by bit, they dont even realize how shitty its become until "that" time

Focused on one survivor that makes it big is the medias propaganda, most continue to have shitty lives and die slowly and painfully

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Sure, sometimes.
If you don't want to do that, then don't consider suicide unless you've been sure of your decision for at least one year & have done everything possible before that to turn things in a different direction.

 

[crossingtheriver]

What about the majority of the ppl who were somewhat depressed but not suicidal, but then just had one bad day?

i think all it did is open the eyes. Most ppl live shitty lives but are used to it or believe in some other delusion keeping them alive

Since the mediocrity happens bit by bit, they dont even realize how shitty its become until "that" time

Focused on one survivor that makes it big is the medias propaganda, most continue to have shitty lives and die slowly and painfully

that's the first type of example I talked about the majority who are just temporarily depressed.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

that's the first type of example I talked about the majority who are just temporarily depressed.

oh. I guess im bad at reading walls of text

 

[Forveleth]

Considering I have been suicidal for 25 years, it will not be an impulsive decision for me.
It takes a certain type of hopelessness to be pushed to the point where someone can override their most basic instincts and I will therefore never judge another person's reason for killing themselves. Do I think sometimes people leave out other perfectly viable alternatives? Yes. But, in the moment, another human is just trying to find peace and I will never claim that as a poor decision.

 

[Misery99]

Not in my case...

 

[Oiled Sandwich]

Is choosing not to ctb decided on temporary emotions?

If ctb is decided by negative temporary emotions, and being happy is a positive temporary emotion since happiness isn't constant, what's the difference between choosing to ctb or choosing not to ctb?

The question itself is flawed, because people don't just ctb over emotions like some high school teen crying over a breakup. Some people have terrible life-long health issues. Some have been in poverty or homeless for who knows how long. Some just hate the way the world works, and would rather not be part of it. Regardless of the argumentation, I've made my choice.

 

[DeadnDusted]

I believe that emotions can be a bit of an illusion, and sometimes people do act rashly in face of passing distress. But at other times it can be a necessary thing for the person for a vaeriety of reasons.

Personally Ive been dealing with long term trauma due to a betrayal that basically flipped my entire compass and emotional landscape upside down for years now. And at this point even if I don't end up committing suicide the fact of the matter is that my original self would have still died due to growing numb or just accepting the situation as is.
Knowing that, even in moments where I feel genuinely "fine" and my psyche isnt throwing a fit I still think that suicide would still be a valid choice for myself because I still know the difference between simply feeling good due to genuinely good circumstances and my mind desperately adapting to a violation that was once so revolting to it.

 

[burninghill]

Feeling intense emotions temporarily is sometimes the reason why people impulsively commit suicide. In that case, it's often times fair to assume that yes, those feelings could've been alleviated and it could therefore be considered a 'poor decision'.

However, it's definitely worth noting that your average person doesn't experience something (no matter how difficult) and consider suicide, so I would definitely argue that there's probably always something else going on.

 

[dogemn]

It's not that simple. We need a great deal of nuance to understand the situation and avoid making the sweeping assumption that all suicides are purely impulsive. This is a very subjective, say, a perfectly healthy person in his early 20s decides to kill himself because of a breakup, but is saved then goes to become successful in his professional and personal life this was possible for this person because of their inner strength shaped by secure childhood that they could tap into and come out of this phase. In another case, someone who's clearly suffered a lot right from childhood, growing up with intense psychological trauma carried into adulthood, could never keep a job nor a stable relationship, always contemplating suicide because they feel they were just built unhappy to put themselves out of misery. When they act on it, it is definitely NOT impulsive because it is an action that they took influenced by their own life for a very long time. These are just a few cases I wanted to use as examples to demonstrate my point. English is not my first language, so I could not fully articulate what I wanted to say but I hope I was able to explain the nuance.

Can someone know that their future will contain suffering? or contain nothing that would make continued life worthwhile?

 

[broken serenity]

I think you might have picked the wrong population for this census. Ur gonna get a lot of pro choice, long (by ctb standards) term planning, types.

Also SI: it's really really hard to do things like jumping, but if it's in ur head, (and has been for years) you'll get to a point where maybe both

1. Ur fucked or it seems like something bad is coming up or just happened
2. U get access to a scary looking height

Now survival instincts are much easier to surmount, w that emotional energy. Hence how it can seem like big emotional events are such triggers. It's more like, an emotional trigger can lower the threshold for ctb

 

[isthisit?]

Kinda, but not wholly. I feel like in most cases, a persons life has to already be pretty bad for 1 bad crisis to push them over the edge. So technically if the persons life wasnt already in a bad spot, then they would come out in the end okay.
Yet again, a friend of a friend of me did ctb after a breakup and he was otherwise, as far as I know, pretty stable and had good grades and was living a good life.