Do you think God exists?

[MiMif]

I used to think he did but I really don't know. They say I should feel guilty since he sacrificed himself for me but if that's the case I never asked for his sacrifice I never wanted to exist in the first place. Isn't it cruel to thrust someone into hell that they never wanted to be in and then threaten to thrust them into another hell once they die due to trying to escape the hell they were already in.

If God exists I am a little scared. Cause if I do all this just to be thrust back into hell....I would be ...I don't even know it would be so miserable I wouldn't be able to function

 

[avalon_]

Isn't it cruel to thrust someone into hell that they never wanted to be in and then threaten to thrust them into another hell once they die due to trying to escape the hell they were already in.

God isn't thrusting you into hell -- we are thrusting ourselves into hell by refusing to believe in him. If you are seperated from God, you are already in hell; it's not going to get much worse than that.

 

[MiMif]

God isn't thrusting you into hell -- we are thrusting ourselves into hell by refusing to believe in him. If you are seperated from God, you are already in hell; it's not going to get much worse than that.

I was a Christian and was still miserable. I've seen Christians who are suicidal but are too scared to comit because of god. Being a Christian doesn't guarantee happiness and doesn't get rid of the desire to die and dread of life. I never wanted to exist. I wish god at least offered the choice. Pretty sure there's even apart of the Bible where someone says the luckiest are those who were never born

 

[FuneralCry]

No, I believe anything to do with religion to be fictional, to me existence is just a terrible mistake with no deeper meaning or purpose behind it, it's just suffering all for the sake of it and I believe death to simply be non-existence, nothing more than an eternal dreamless sleep where this existence is finally all gone and forgotten which is all I hope for, I just wish to be unconscious of this torturous and futile existence that just causes harm and suffering and as long as I exist I'll only hope to never suffer again, non-existence is the only peace for me.

 

[plzoffme]

I think people get the idea of God wrong. God is not some man in the sky handing out punishments and rewards. God is the energy that flows through all things. We are God itself like the wave is to the ocean. If you like to read experiences about people dying and coming back, check out this site :) https://www.nderf.org/Archives/NDERF_NDEs.html Death is peace... Its the method into that peace we are afraid of.

 

[Unicron]

I'm an atheist and it's all bunk to me. We don't come from anywhere and we don't go anywhere, it's all just a means of keeping control and maintaining establishment power.

 

[avalon_]

Pretty sure there's even apart of the Bible where someone says the luckiest are those who were never born

Yes, Ecclesiastes 4:2-3. "And I thought the dead, who have already died, more fortunate than the living, who are still alive; but better than both is the one who has not yet been, and has not seen the evil deeds that are done under the sun."

I was a Christian and was still miserable. I've seen Christians who are suicidal but are too scared to comit because of god. Being a Christian doesn't guarantee happiness and doesn't get rid of the desire to die and dread of life.

When did I claim that being Christian guarantees worldly happiness? When did anyone in the Bible ever claim that beieving in God guarantess worldly happiness?

 

[MiMif]

Yes, Ecclesiastes 4:2-3. "And I thought the dead, who have already died, more fortunate than the living, who are still alive; but better than both is the one who has not yet been, and has not seen the evil deeds that are done under the sun."

When did I claim that being Christian guarantees worldly happiness? When did anyone in the Bible ever claim that beieving in God guarantess worldly happiness?

You said we're choosing to be in hell by not choosing God. Not your exact words I'm paraphrasing. But even Christians often feel as though they're in hell. Btw just to make sure I'm not like coming at you or like arguing I'm just discussing. Just making sure u don't take it the wrong way cause it's through text

 

[Szarur-abi]

No one asked me but...

I'm responsible for my own misery, god isnt real and im gonna turn into nothing after i die

 

[beebeb]

Yes. I am a devoted Catholic. I even work for the church. The reason I am deliberately choosing to commit a sin (suicide) is because I have earned hell and will be sending myself there for punishment. Christ died for those worthy of living. I am not. I am the only unredeemable person.

 

[a.dream.of.a.dream]

no.

 

[Surek]

I don't believe in the god of Abraham, but I find these stories quite entertaining

 

[avalon_]

You said we're choosing to be in hell by not choosing God. Not your exact words I'm paraphrasing. But even Christians often feel as though they're in hell. Btw just to make sure I'm not like coming at you or like arguing I'm just discussing. Just making sure u don't take it the wrong way cause it's through text

You're not listening. Hell does not refer to worldly suffering. Jesus was not in hell when he was being nailed to the ctoss. His spiritual body was not touched by any of the suffering he was forced to endure. Many Christian martyrs also died in agony; this is not a new doscovery.

I'm not taking anything the wrong way, dont worry. I'm just trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

 

[MiMif]

You're not listening. Hell does not refer to worldly suffering. Jesus was not in hell when he was being nailed to the ctoss. His spiritual body was not touched by any of the suffering he was forced to endure. Many Christian martyrs also died in agony; this is not a new doscovery.

I'm not taking anything the wrong way, dont worry. I'm just trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

What I'm saying is living feels as though it's hell. I'm confused on what ur saying

 

[kopebaldy]

No but let's just assume I'm wrong and he exists.

There isn't a single thing that fucker can say to convince me he isn't an asshole.

 

[starboy2k]

If he does exist, he definitely deserves a lot of swift kicks to the nuts.

 

[avalon_]

I'm confused on what ur saying

I pray that you will understand some day.

 

[unluckysadness]

Yes i do. But if I see God, my first question will be : why all this shit on planet earth ??

 

[fedup1982]

I dont know if there's a God of not but I'm pretty sure we're already in purgatory

 

[beebeb]

You're not listening. Hell does not refer to worldly suffering. Jesus was not in hell when he was being nailed to the ctoss. His spiritual body was not touched by any of the suffering he was forced to endure. Many Christian martyrs also died in agony; this is not a new doscovery.

I'm not taking anything the wrong way, dont worry. I'm just trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

Your theology is pretty solid, what's your spiritual background?

 

[Captain Howdy]

I used to think he did but I really don't know. They say I should feel guilty since he sacrificed himself for me but if that's the case I never asked for his sacrifice I never wanted to exist in the first place. Isn't it cruel to thrust someone into hell that they never wanted to be in and then threaten to thrust them into another hell once they die due to trying to escape the hell they were already in.

If God exists I am a little scared. Cause if I do all this just to be thrust back into hell....I would be ...I don't even know it would be so miserable I wouldn't be able to function

If there is a God, it exists in a way that hasn't revealed anything remotely discernable about its nature, despite all of religion's claims to the contrary.

 

[avalon_]

Your theology is pretty solid, what's your spiritual background?

Thank you! I went from Buddhism to most likely becoming Catholic (with a few extra steps). I was a ferocious Atheist for many years prior to that. Raised Protestant, but never really picked up much from there.

I "rediscovered" my faith (if you can even use that word) through the works of the french metaphysician René Guénon.

 

[a.dream.of.a.dream]

people are largely told to believe in some god(s) as children without question. often instilling fear alongside this belief. few stop to think and question. if you were born in a christian family, you lucked out into the right religion. if you were born into a muslim family, you lucked out with the right religion. if you were born into a hindu or jewish family, you lucked out...

consider how superstitious humans have been through out history, right up to even your parents generation. then think a thousand or two years back. humans have been worshipping higher beings since forever, certainly one way to make sense of the fact that you must die (and of course kill). you can be special even in death but only if you believe in_______. now add copium, the suffering you feel and see all around you in the man made world will be made up for after you die. yes after you die, just trust us! but only if you believe in___________.

Religion has been a factor of the human experience throughout history, from pre-historic to modern times. The bulk of the human religious experience pre-dates recorded history, which is roughly 7,000 years old.[1]A lack of written records results in most of the knowledge of pre-historic religion being derived from archaeological records and other indirect sources, and from suppositions. Much pre-historic religion is subject to continued debate.

galileo, considered the father of modern science was deemed a heretic for explaining the earth was not the center if the universe. some how none of these gods seemed to establish basic human rights, even slavery was accounted for in the abrahamic traditions amongst other things. like how did you not get rid of slavery at any point along the way? in other words, of their time and place. women still fighting for their rights, right down to control over their own bodies.

 

[Dejected 55]

Going by what humans have written about God... the Christian one anyway...

God is all-knowing... God created himself in the form of a human, KNOWING humans would kill him, and he planned this sacrifice to somehow "save" humanity from rules that, supposedly, he had previously given to them.

Even if all that makes sense... it seems to indicate God is okay with suicide. Because he literally put himself in a situation knowing he would die, and died willingly for the sake of others... to relieve their burdens that he had put upon them previously... That sounds like suicide to me.

 

[Mr. Snrub]

God isn't thrusting you into hell -- we are thrusting ourselves into hell by refusing to believe in him. If you are seperated from God, you are already in hell; it's not going to get much worse than that.

Do we refuse God with free will or do we do it as part of his plan in your view?

Proverbs 16:4 – The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

 

[Captain Howdy]

Keep in mind your ideas and beliefs have a lot more to do with your geography than the validity of the God. The OP seems to believe in an abrahamic God. Your ideas might vary vastly had you been born in another place, and surely would be different if you had been born in a different time. If you accepted Jesus into your heart, did you do so because your family happened to live and attend a church that was local? Or did you do painstaking research to exclude 500,000 other gods and arrive at Jesus to the exclusion of all others?

I'm not trying to insult anyone, but see how silly this gets? I can't prove to you that you won't be tortured in hell for eternity if you commit suicide. I also can't PROVE that Count Chocula doesn't exist.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

I'm an atheist. So my answer would be fuck no. No matter how many prayers and blessings and angels people send me

 

[corpse]

I don't know if God exists or not, but I know that soon I will no longer exist.

 

[avalon_]

Do we refuse God with free will or do we do it as part of his plan in your view?

Proverbs 16:4 – The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Good question! Individual salvation, I believe, is possible through a mixture of free will and divine grace. On a larger scale, though, our refusal to see truth ia part of a divine plan or a cosnic movement that trascends human reasoning.

 

[MyShadow]

I don't believe in a god. I was raised by a Christian mother who was also a covert, malignant narcissist who didn't hesitate to throw me under the bus both as a child and as an adult. Her lies, gaslighting and consistently manipulative behavior did not do her religion any favors.