Discussion would you rather be the plot twist or just watch the ending of the story?

[eladeselasol99]

lowkey got a question that's been haunting me..........

if you had the power to stop someone from killing themselves. not with therapy, not with words, but with money.. would you do it?

like imagine someone standing at the edge, not because they truly want death, but because life financially crushed them so hard they can't see another exit. debt choking them, bills piling up, survival feeling like torture, and every day just another reminder that being alive costs more than getting a burial.

and you... you actually have the power to change that.
you could help them. you could buy them time, buy them a power to stand for a while. you could be the difference between a funeral and a future.

do you step in and drag them back from the edge? or do you tell yourself it's their choice while knowing their "choice" might've been built by desperation, poverty, and pure hopelessness?

because that's the part that intrigue me. how many people actually want to die and how many just ran out of ways to afford living?

and if you had the resources to save them but chose not to.. will you respect their freedom? or will you just watch someone bleed out when you could've stopped it?

 

[Soumatou]

I see this as a re-framing of the trolley problem. Either way it is a power fantasy as the one with agency exerts their will.

 

[Forever Sleep]

For starters- I don't think you drag them back from the edge. You instead- offer them free money and leave it to them to reconsider their options.

It isn't really as simple/ callous as: Do you help this person or, leave them to die though. More than 720,000 people globally die by suicide each year. Can that person afford to offer to save them all? Say half accept their offer. They offer each of them- say £25k to get their life back on track. That's nine hundred million pounds in total. Probably a great deal more- if more people accept the offer and if they give them more.

If they can't help them all- how do they decide who to save and- who to let die?

Also- bear in mind- for some of those people- the cash injection will work. They'll turn their lives around and forever be grateful. For others though- it likely won't work. They'll burn through that money and either go back begging for more or- they'll be at that cliffs edge once again- waiting to be saved. In an ideal world- they are still worthy of saving of course. But, this isn't an ideal world. There's only a finite amount of money/ resources to go around.

So- I don't think it's even as simple as- you give that person a bunch of money and they fix themselves.

 

[fantamaxxer]

Ofc id do. Img you flexing so much power and then they suck yo dick as appreciation

 

[PanaxMan]

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lowkey got a question that's been haunting me..........

if you had the power to stop someone from killing themselves. not with therapy, not with words, but with money.. would you do it?

like imagine someone standing at the edge, not because they truly want death, but because life financially crushed them so hard they can't see another exit. debt choking them, bills piling up, survival feeling like torture, and every day just another reminder that being alive costs more than getting a burial.

and you... you actually have the power to change that.
you could help them. you could buy them time, buy them a power to stand for a while. you could be the difference between a funeral and a future.

do you step in and drag them back from the edge? or do you tell yourself it's their choice while knowing their "choice" might've been built by desperation, poverty, and pure hopelessness?

because that's the part that intrigue me. how many people actually want to die and how many just ran out of ways to afford living?

and if you had the resources to save them but chose not to.. will you respect their freedom? or will you just watch someone bleed out when you could've stopped it?

Plot twist

 

[eladeselasol99]

I see this as a re-framing of the trolley problem. Either way it is a power fantasy as the one with agency exerts their will.

yeah, fair point.

it really is kind of a trolley problem.. just more personal.

my main thing is doing nothing isn't always neutral either. if you have the power to help, choosing not to is still a choice.

so i guess it's less "playing god" and more more about the moral weight of having the power to change something, and deciding if you should.

For starters- I don't think you drag them back from the edge. You instead- offer them free money and leave it to them to reconsider their options.

It isn't really as simple/ callous as: Do you help this person or, leave them to die though. More than 720,000 people globally die by suicide each year. Can that person afford to offer to save them all? Say half accept their offer. They offer each of them- say £25k to get their life back on track. That's nine hundred million pounds in total. Probably a great deal more- if more people accept the offer and if they give them more.

If they can't help them all- how do they decide who to save and- who to let die?

Also- bear in mind- for some of those people- the cash injection will work. They'll turn their lives around and forever be grateful. For others though- it likely won't work. They'll burn through that money and either go back begging for more or- they'll be at that cliffs edge once again- waiting to be saved. In an ideal world- they are still worthy of saving of course. But, this isn't an ideal world. There's only a finite amount of money/ resources to go around.

So- I don't think it's even as simple as- you give that person a bunch of money and they fix themselves.

fair point.

my question was more about the moral choice to help when you can. not whether you can save everyone.

because yeah, money alone won't fix everyone, and resources aren't infinite too.

i guess the point is sometimes it's not about fully "fixing" someone.. just giving them a real chance when desperation is making the choice for them.

Ofc id do. Img you flexing so much power and then they suck yo dick as appreciation

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