
sserafim
they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
- Sep 13, 2023
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It's not fair though. I didn't ask to be born and I didn't even have a choice or say in it. This is what should happen insteadSuch is life, I guess.
I didn't ask to be alive. If anything, people should pay me for it. I shouldn't have to pay to existBecause you are alive and subject to the laws of physics
It's unfortunate but we really have no say in whether we are born or not. It is incredibly unfair, even I have to admit that. My schizophrenia has made life that much worse - and my father knew the risks of having me, with his drug-inflicted psychosis.It's not fair though. I didn't ask to be born and I didn't even have a choice or say in it. This is what should happen instead
"Mr Samuel, of course, understands that our consent can't be sought before we are born, but insists that "it was not our decision to be born".
So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live, he argues."
Mr. Samuel is based. He's spitting facts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287.amp
I agree. It's unfair at how you're forced to suffer when you never voluntarily agreed to this to begin with. You should be paid for it or at the very least be allowed access to euthanasia. Like all of us here, you were simply born in the wrong era where we all have to work and slave away unfortunately. Hopefully your next life spawns you into a world where you don't have to slave away. However, as for this life, you just got unluckyI didn't ask to be alive. If anything, people should pay me for it. I shouldn't have to pay to exist.
"So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live"
I read that article but I don't really understand some of the stuff he is prescribing: Parents had you instead of a toy or a dog. It doesn't make any sense - a toy is an inanimate object. A dog is a living sentient being that feels pain, hurt, emotion, etc. I get his main point but some of them make no sense at all.It's not fair though. I didn't ask to be born and I didn't even have a choice or say in it. This is what should happen instead
"Mr Samuel, of course, understands that our consent can't be sought before we are born, but insists that "it was not our decision to be born".
So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live, he argues."
Mr. Samuel is based. He's spitting facts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287.amp
Such is life, I guess.
The guys a fraud. Attention seeking individual. Read my post above.Perhaps but does that man we have to accept it?
There is no objective reason. Why any one has to do all that and more is because they imposed life on u and every human and they made guaranteed methods to leave life into crimes .Why should I suffer?
Why must I be stuck in traffic?
Why must I work?
Why must I face wars?
Why must I feel pain or depression?
Why should I do anything when I don't want to?
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If someone were about to become homeless with no guaranteed method to escape impending homelessness that is a terrible trap to be inI just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
I'm more than well aware of how horrible life is and can be, and I've got more than a decade of suicidality under my belt. Understanding suffering and the desire to die is not lost on me. What I don't understand in the constant dwelling on the fact that your parents gave birth to you. Yes, it happened. Yes, you exist and have your whole life. I don't understand the energy people put into being angry about that.If someone were about to become homeless with no guaranteed method to escape impending homelessness that is a terrible trap to be in
There are no guaranteed methods to escape extreme torture.
So they would have to hope to defeat si and take the risk of becoming brain damaged with a risky diy suicide method
This is unimaginable to anyone a
I'm just mad about itI just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
The guys a fraud. Attention seeking individual. Read my post above.
I don't know about you, but I don't believe that I owe anyone anything. They say that the world doesn't owe you anything, and vice versa is also true. I don't owe my parents, family or society an obligation to live, nor do I owe an obligation to conform to their rules. If anything, my parents are indebted and have incurred a debt to me, as they ripped me from the void of nonexistence and brought me into this world without my consentVery possibly. I remember reading about the case ages ago. The interesting thing I remembered was him saying that he didn't actually dislike his parents. He was doing it to make a point.
My question was aimed at the other post though- that whole: 'Well, that's life' type of thing. I'm saying- that may well be life for a lot of people. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THOUGH? Do we owe our parents, families, society an obligation to not only live but conform to their rules, given that we didn't agree to them in the first place? Does birth and raising a child (however poorly) incur a debt?
But this is why the world is broken. This person is spouting nonsense for money, attention, fame and clout. On a subject that he doesn't adhere to.Very possibly. I remember reading about the case ages ago. The interesting thing I remembered was him saying that he didn't actually dislike his parents. He was doing it to make a point.
My question was aimed at the other post though- that whole: 'Well, that's life' type of thing. I'm saying- that may well be life for a lot of people. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THOUGH? Do we owe our parents, families, society an obligation to not only live but conform to their rules, given that we didn't agree to them in the first place? Does birth and raising a child (however poorly) incur a debt?
I don't know about you, but I believe that I don't owe anyone anything. They say that the world doesn't owe you anything, and I believe that vice versa is also true. I don't owe my parents, family or society an obligation to live, nor do I owe an obligation to conform to their rules. If anything, my parents are indebted and have incurred a debt to me, as they ripped me from the void of nonexistence and brought me into this world without my consent
It's a coping mechanism . I'm guilty of itI just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
I think it's possible we chose to come here as well to learn but our naive souls weren't aware how brutal it would beBecause DNA is the ultimate evil.
Although I always question the notion that we all never chose to exist. It's incredibly possible we did but just don't remember it, or at least that it's physically impossible to be born unless we wanted to for whatever reason. One of the lesser known Pixar movies which came out a few years ago, Soul, actually has this idea as a premise: basically that movie's universe cucks one part of antinatalism by establishing that it is physically impossible for anyone to be born unless they find something they enjoy about being alive. One of the main characters is even a soul who can't be born for this exact reason. In one of the shorts that takes place before the movie we see a soul getting born simply because they enjoy lying thus he becomes destined to enter the world of politics.
For me, the few things I enjoy about life probably were enough to sucker my naive soul into thinking the suffering would be worth it. Even though that was fiction, it still stuck with me because it certainly raised the possibility that maybe we actually did choose to be born or reincarnated but just can't remember. If I get to choose next time, I'm going for the male anglerfish for sure this time though.
Couldn't have said better. Some people have been here for four years complaining every day about how they wish they weren't born, but have done nothing about it. It's exasperating.I just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
Sorry.Couldn't have said better. Some people have been here for four years complaining every day about how they wish they weren't born, but have done nothing about it. It's exasperating.
I doubt that I chose to come here. I'm pretty sure that I was tricked into itIt's a coping mechanism . I'm guilty of it
I think it's possible we chose to come here as well to learn but our naive souls weren't aware how brutal it would be
That was clearly not aimed at you. You're not in every thread spreading pro-death/antinatalist propaganda.Sorry.![]()
I don't enjoy anything about being aliveBecause DNA is the ultimate evil.
Although I always question the notion that we all never chose to exist. It's incredibly possible we did but just don't remember it, or at least that it's physically impossible to be born unless we wanted to for whatever reason. One of the lesser known Pixar movies which came out a few years ago, Soul, actually has this idea as a premise: basically that movie's universe cucks one part of antinatalism by establishing that it is physically impossible for anyone to be born unless they find something they enjoy about being alive. One of the main characters is even a soul who can't be born for this exact reason. In one of the shorts that takes place before the movie we see a soul getting born simply because they enjoy lying thus he becomes destined to enter the world of politics.
For me, the few things I enjoy about life probably were enough to sucker my naive soul into thinking the suffering would be worth it. Even though that was fiction, it still stuck with me because it certainly raised the possibility that maybe we actually did choose to be born or reincarnated but just can't remember. If I get to choose next time, I'm going for the male anglerfish for sure this time though.
There's nothing wrong with antinatalism or being an antinatalist. In fact, it's a logical philosophy. Natalists are the illogical and deluded ones. Antinatalism can only be enforced on a personal/individual level anyways. An AN can just choose not to procreate to refrain from causing sufferingThat was clearly not aimed at you. You're not in every thread spreading pro-death/antinatalist propaganda.