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sserafim

sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
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Why should I suffer?
Why must I be stuck in traffic?
Why must I work?
Why must I face wars?
Why must I feel pain or depression?
Why should I do anything when I don't want to?

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Hobbit

Hobbit

Married to Death
Jan 19, 2020
9
Such is life, I guess.
 
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sserafim

sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
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Such is life, I guess.
It's not fair though. I didn't ask to be born and I didn't even have a choice or say in it. This is what should happen instead

"Mr Samuel, of course, understands that our consent can't be sought before we are born, but insists that "it was not our decision to be born".
So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live, he argues."

Mr. Samuel is based. He's spitting facts

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287.amp
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

I have finally found my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,796
Because you are alive and subject to the laws of physics
 
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sserafim

sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
9,012
Because you are alive and subject to the laws of physics
I didn't ask to be alive. If anything, people should pay me for it. I shouldn't have to pay to exist

"So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live."
 
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Hobbit

Hobbit

Married to Death
Jan 19, 2020
9
It's not fair though. I didn't ask to be born and I didn't even have a choice or say in it. This is what should happen instead

"Mr Samuel, of course, understands that our consent can't be sought before we are born, but insists that "it was not our decision to be born".
So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live, he argues."

Mr. Samuel is based. He's spitting facts

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287.amp
It's unfortunate but we really have no say in whether we are born or not. It is incredibly unfair, even I have to admit that. My schizophrenia has made life that much worse - and my father knew the risks of having me, with his drug-inflicted psychosis.
 
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ijustwishtodie

I have finally found my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,796
I didn't ask to be alive. If anything, people should pay me for it. I shouldn't have to pay to exist.

"So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live"
I agree. It's unfair at how you're forced to suffer when you never voluntarily agreed to this to begin with. You should be paid for it or at the very least be allowed access to euthanasia. Like all of us here, you were simply born in the wrong era where we all have to work and slave away unfortunately. Hopefully your next life spawns you into a world where you don't have to slave away. However, as for this life, you just got unlucky
 
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theboy

theboy

Illuminated
Jul 15, 2022
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hard questions
 
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Throwawayacc3

Throwawayacc3

Freedom
Mar 4, 2024
1,385
It's not fair though. I didn't ask to be born and I didn't even have a choice or say in it. This is what should happen instead

"Mr Samuel, of course, understands that our consent can't be sought before we are born, but insists that "it was not our decision to be born".
So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live, he argues."

Mr. Samuel is based. He's spitting facts

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287.amp
I read that article but I don't really understand some of the stuff he is prescribing: Parents had you instead of a toy or a dog. It doesn't make any sense - a toy is an inanimate object. A dog is a living sentient being that feels pain, hurt, emotion, etc. I get his main point but some of them make no sense at all.
What's sueing his parents going to do? It's pretty moot.

"I wish I was not born. But it's not that I'm unhappy in my life. My life is good, but I'd rather not be here. You know it's like there's a nice room, but I don't want to be in that room," he explains.

I think the overwhelming majority here don't have a good life and this guy is throwing it in our face? Take your money and give each person here £100,000 so they can do what they want.

Did a bit of an info dig on this individual:

Mr Samuel from Mumbai understands that our consent can't be sought before we are born, but insists that "it was not our decision to be born". In fact, he insists on getting paid for every day that he has to live, and has even sued his parents in court.

(Disclaimer: Both his parents are lawyers!!)

Let me introduce you to self-proclaimed anti-natalist, Raphael Samuel, who agrees that the entire 'suing parents in court thing' was a publicity stunt that he had pulled off to gain people's attention. Notwithstanding, he used the momentum to talk about important issues related to childbirth, especially people's right to not have children if they do not want to.


Child-free proponents, anti-natalists, voluntary human extinction movement, 'efilists' (who want to break the cycle of selfishness perpetuated by the "blind god called evolution") and several other groups around the world subscribe to the philosophy that giving birth is an immoral choice because the child who is born, has no say in the matter. Therefore, bringing sentient beings to a world full of suffering without their consent is not a morally righteous thing to do. The other important aspect that Raphael Samuel talks about with regard to childbirth is environmental degradation due to overpopulation. In fact, he feels that it is better for human beings to phase out eventually since most people are grossly unhappy with their own lives in contemporary times.

His Facebook page, Nihilanand, features posters of him with a huge fake beard, an eye-mask proclaiming anti-natalist messages like, "Isn't forcing a child into this world and forcing it to have a career, kidnapping, and slavery?" Or, "Your parents had you instead of a toy or a dog, you owe them nothing, you are their entertainment."


Guy seems like a complete grifter: his twitter has over 10 links on the link tree page: instagram, YouTube, books, etc.

His words are not to be trusted or looked into. I don't believe a word he says after the info dig.
 
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Agon321

Agon321

I use google translate
Aug 21, 2023
1,638
Welcome to the beautiful land called life :).

Nobody will answer these questions for you.
It `s just the way it is.
Nobody gave us an instruction manual for life.

We adapt to the reality around us.
We are born to live, we live to die.

The world makes no objective sense.
The world doesn't care about our opinions and what we think.

You can either try to live and survive or give up.
There is no other way.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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Why should I suffer?
Why must I be stuck in traffic?
Why must I work?
Why must I face wars?
Why must I feel pain or depression?
Why should I do anything when I don't want to?

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There is no objective reason. Why any one has to do all that and more is because they imposed life on u and every human and they made guaranteed methods to leave life into crimes .

I would exit life and this world today if I had a Method that had at least 99.5 % probability of working .
 
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willitpass

willitpass

The awful things we do to make the head go quiet
Mar 10, 2020
3,325
I just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
3,769
I just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
If someone were about to become homeless with no guaranteed method to escape impending homelessness that is a terrible trap to be in

There are no guaranteed methods to escape extreme torture. They made assisted suicide into a crime to make this world a prison. I don't know who wouldn't be angry in this situation or just being in prison when u didn't do anything to deserve this hell

So they would have to hope to defeat si and take the risk of becoming brain damaged with a risky diy suicide method

This is unimaginable to anyone not in this utter hell . It's a billion times worse than most can imagine
 
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willitpass

willitpass

The awful things we do to make the head go quiet
Mar 10, 2020
3,325
If someone were about to become homeless with no guaranteed method to escape impending homelessness that is a terrible trap to be in

There are no guaranteed methods to escape extreme torture.

So they would have to hope to defeat si and take the risk of becoming brain damaged with a risky diy suicide method

This is unimaginable to anyone a
I'm more than well aware of how horrible life is and can be, and I've got more than a decade of suicidality under my belt. Understanding suffering and the desire to die is not lost on me. What I don't understand in the constant dwelling on the fact that your parents gave birth to you. Yes, it happened. Yes, you exist and have your whole life. I don't understand the energy people put into being angry about that.

I understand dwelling on trauma, if you had an abusive childhood or went through horrific things. I understand mental illness and feeling like your life is meaningless and you wish to not be here. But spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were brought into existence confuses me. I wish I wasn't born but I just don't understand the day to day anger some people have about it.
 
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sserafim

sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
9,012
I just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
I'm just mad about it
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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The guys a fraud. Attention seeking individual. Read my post above.

Very possibly. I remember reading about the case ages ago. The interesting thing I remembered was him saying that he didn't actually dislike his parents. He was doing it to make a point.

My question was aimed at the other post though- that whole: 'Well, that's life' type of thing. I'm saying- that may well be life for a lot of people. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THOUGH? Do we owe our parents, families, society an obligation to not only live but conform to their rules, given that we didn't agree to them in the first place? Does birth and raising a child (however poorly) incur a debt?
 
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billie

billie

take me back to the night we met
Mar 31, 2024
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I ask myself so many questions every day
 
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sserafim

sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
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Very possibly. I remember reading about the case ages ago. The interesting thing I remembered was him saying that he didn't actually dislike his parents. He was doing it to make a point.

My question was aimed at the other post though- that whole: 'Well, that's life' type of thing. I'm saying- that may well be life for a lot of people. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THOUGH? Do we owe our parents, families, society an obligation to not only live but conform to their rules, given that we didn't agree to them in the first place? Does birth and raising a child (however poorly) incur a debt?
I don't know about you, but I don't believe that I owe anyone anything. They say that the world doesn't owe you anything, and vice versa is also true. I don't owe my parents, family or society an obligation to live, nor do I owe an obligation to conform to their rules. If anything, my parents are indebted and have incurred a debt to me, as they ripped me from the void of nonexistence and brought me into this world without my consent
 
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iloverachel

Enlightened
Mar 7, 2024
1,217
Life is just a pointless, cruel torturous abomination
There's really no point in life
We are just here to suffer for decades in a hellish world we never asked to be in
 
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Throwawayacc3

Freedom
Mar 4, 2024
1,385
Very possibly. I remember reading about the case ages ago. The interesting thing I remembered was him saying that he didn't actually dislike his parents. He was doing it to make a point.

My question was aimed at the other post though- that whole: 'Well, that's life' type of thing. I'm saying- that may well be life for a lot of people. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THOUGH? Do we owe our parents, families, society an obligation to not only live but conform to their rules, given that we didn't agree to them in the first place? Does birth and raising a child (however poorly) incur a debt?
But this is why the world is broken. This person is spouting nonsense for money, attention, fame and clout. On a subject that he doesn't adhere to.

I've figured out frauds with money doing deep dives in accounts and finances but this guy it was easy. This is what a lot of people are like. The worst part? I guarantee his parents are wealthy (both lawyers): I don't think it would be a struggle for them to get him somewhere and he could live ok but he seems the type to want a private jet as commercial is below him. Fuck him and fuck all these fake, disingenuous, fuck heads passing off as "good characters".
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,396
Because DNA is the ultimate evil.

Although I always question the notion that we all never chose to exist. It's incredibly possible we did but just don't remember it, or at least that it's physically impossible to be born unless we wanted to for whatever reason. One of the lesser known Pixar movies which came out a few years ago, Soul, actually has this idea as a premise: basically that movie's universe cucks one part of antinatalism by establishing that it is physically impossible for anyone to be born unless they find something they enjoy about being alive. One of the main characters is even a soul who can't be born for this exact reason. In one of the shorts that takes place before the movie we see a soul getting born simply because they enjoy lying thus he becomes destined to enter the world of politics.

For me, the few things I enjoy about life probably were enough to sucker my naive soul into thinking the suffering would be worth it. Even though that was fiction, it still stuck with me because it certainly raised the possibility that maybe we actually did choose to be born or reincarnated but just can't remember. If I get to choose next time, I'm going for the male anglerfish for sure this time though.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I don't know about you, but I believe that I don't owe anyone anything. They say that the world doesn't owe you anything, and I believe that vice versa is also true. I don't owe my parents, family or society an obligation to live, nor do I owe an obligation to conform to their rules. If anything, my parents are indebted and have incurred a debt to me, as they ripped me from the void of nonexistence and brought me into this world without my consent

Actually, I do feel a kind of debt but, I resent it at the same time. I think my Dad probably was suicidal for a bit after my Mum died but I think he hang on for me. So in part, that's why I'm returning the favour. Also, other family members stepped in to raise me when my Mum died. My Grandparents pretty much gave up their golden years to take care of a 3 year old. Ok, that wasn't my fault but I did/do actually have people I feel gratitude towards. Most of them are dead now though, so I'm almost out of my obligation period.

As to being a productive little worker ant in society, I'm a rebel at heart but, not enough to go against my upbringing which was very focussed on the obligation to conform and a strong work ethic I suppose. I do it to a larger extent but I resent it again. Once my Dad goes though, I think I will be free to say f*ck this!

In principle though- I agree. I think it's morally questionable to birth a sentient creature here and expect it to perform its role in such a precarious world, knowing that certain things are pretty much inevitable: illness at some stage, taxes and the necessity to conform to this capitalist society and, death- most likely their deaths and other family deaths first and then, our own.

I think the world is set up so that in theory- we should be supported when we are young in education and medical care and again when we're old and we are expected to pay that back. We're effectively being groomed for a life of wage slavery. Some of us will be clever enough and lucky enough and well paid enough to do jobs we actually enjoy but, you have to wonder what percentage that actually is.

It's not an even playing field either. Why would someone who was neglected or even abused by society feel keen on contributing to it in adulthood?

I think expectation is pretty unfair really but I think it's something the younger generations are starting to question more. My Dad's generation- he's in his late 70's seemed much more likely to just comply. So- they likely imagined that we would too I suppose. They don't always even see it as complying. It's just 'the way it is' and all that. Like- they accept it without question and don't even seem to feel the same need to question even.
 
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divinemistress36

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Jan 1, 2024
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I just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
It's a coping mechanism . I'm guilty of it
Because DNA is the ultimate evil.

Although I always question the notion that we all never chose to exist. It's incredibly possible we did but just don't remember it, or at least that it's physically impossible to be born unless we wanted to for whatever reason. One of the lesser known Pixar movies which came out a few years ago, Soul, actually has this idea as a premise: basically that movie's universe cucks one part of antinatalism by establishing that it is physically impossible for anyone to be born unless they find something they enjoy about being alive. One of the main characters is even a soul who can't be born for this exact reason. In one of the shorts that takes place before the movie we see a soul getting born simply because they enjoy lying thus he becomes destined to enter the world of politics.

For me, the few things I enjoy about life probably were enough to sucker my naive soul into thinking the suffering would be worth it. Even though that was fiction, it still stuck with me because it certainly raised the possibility that maybe we actually did choose to be born or reincarnated but just can't remember. If I get to choose next time, I'm going for the male anglerfish for sure this time though.
I think it's possible we chose to come here as well to learn but our naive souls weren't aware how brutal it would be
 
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LunarLight

LunarLight

i'm a loser, a failure
Apr 3, 2024
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I just don't understand the concept of spending every day dwelling on the fact that you were born and you didn't want to be. It's not going to change the fact that you are here. There are things you can do to make life better if you wish, and there are things you can do to end your life if you wish. I don't understand living every day angry that you happened to come into existence however many years ago.
Couldn't have said better. Some people have been here for four years complaining every day about how they wish they weren't born, but have done nothing about it. It's exasperating.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
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Couldn't have said better. Some people have been here for four years complaining every day about how they wish they weren't born, but have done nothing about it. It's exasperating.
Sorry. 😔
 
sserafim

sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
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It's a coping mechanism . I'm guilty of it

I think it's possible we chose to come here as well to learn but our naive souls weren't aware how brutal it would be
I doubt that I chose to come here. I'm pretty sure that I was tricked into it
 
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sserafim

they say it's darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
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Because DNA is the ultimate evil.

Although I always question the notion that we all never chose to exist. It's incredibly possible we did but just don't remember it, or at least that it's physically impossible to be born unless we wanted to for whatever reason. One of the lesser known Pixar movies which came out a few years ago, Soul, actually has this idea as a premise: basically that movie's universe cucks one part of antinatalism by establishing that it is physically impossible for anyone to be born unless they find something they enjoy about being alive. One of the main characters is even a soul who can't be born for this exact reason. In one of the shorts that takes place before the movie we see a soul getting born simply because they enjoy lying thus he becomes destined to enter the world of politics.

For me, the few things I enjoy about life probably were enough to sucker my naive soul into thinking the suffering would be worth it. Even though that was fiction, it still stuck with me because it certainly raised the possibility that maybe we actually did choose to be born or reincarnated but just can't remember. If I get to choose next time, I'm going for the male anglerfish for sure this time though.
I don't enjoy anything about being alive
That was clearly not aimed at you. You're not in every thread spreading pro-death/antinatalist propaganda.
There's nothing wrong with antinatalism or being an antinatalist. In fact, it's a logical philosophy. Natalists are the illogical and deluded ones. Antinatalism can only be enforced on a personal/individual level anyways. An AN can just choose not to procreate to refrain from causing suffering
 
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