Why do people fail at partial

[barelyholdingon]

I see so many posts here about people not getting it right or looking for the perfect placement of the rope and saying it doesn't work. While at the same time there are people like Robin Williams and Chris Cornell who were successful with what could be described as un ideal methods with just household items like a belt and resistance band. What did they do right that so many people do wrong? Are people just not putting enough umph into it?

 

[usernamesarehard]

Are people just not putting enough umph into it?

Yeah, pretty much. There was another thread here somewhere (I think it was off topic) talking about an article where a homeless man killed himself behind a dumpster. It was said there by someone (I think) that the kinds of people who do research are more likely to have a lot of attempts because everything has to be perfect. For (for lack of a better word) 'normal' people, they just choose a method and keep trying until they're dead.

A lot of people here express that they want to experience as little pain as possible. That probably leads to them backing out the minute it gets too uncomfortable (not judging, I have too recently).

 

[Worndown]

Because with full, the hardest part is stepping off.
With partial, you still get that part and add maintaining it when SI is screaming at you.

 

[PI3.14]

Are people just not putting enough umph into it?

I believe this is the main reason.

Partial, technically speaking, is no different than full suspension. However, with full, your full weight is applied immediately and the amount of force generated is more than the critical one you need to pass out.

With partial, however, you need to be the one applying the force initially until you pass out. Ig, most people who attempt don't actually apply enough force and when they do, they end up feeling scared when getting dizzy and are about to faint and choose to abort the attempt.

Partial, IMO, is the best method for those with almost zero SI. It's simple, fast, and doesn't involve much pain really.

 

[barelyholdingon]

Yeah, pretty much. There was another thread here somewhere (I think it was off topic) talking about an article where a homeless man killed himself behind a dumpster. It was said there by someone (I think) that the kinds of people who do research are more likely to have a lot of attempts because everything has to be perfect. For (for lack of a better word) 'normal' people, they just choose a method and keep trying until they're dead.

A lot of people here express that they want to experience as little pain as possible. That probably leads to them backing out the minute it gets too uncomfortable (not judging, I have too recently).

I too am afraid of too much pain but not to the degree of a lot of people here. That's why I think partial is a good choice because I don't have the ability to buy a gun. I'm sure SI will be strong though. I need to write down some reinforcers to remember while I start hanging to keep the SI at bay

I believe this is the main reason.

Partial, technically speaking, is no different than full suspension. However, with full, your full weight is applied immediately and the amount of force generated is more than the critical one you need to pass out.

With partial, however, you need to be the one applying the force initially until you pass out. Ig, most people who attempt don't actually apply enough force and when they do, they end up feeling scared when getting dizzy and are about to faint and choose to abort the attempt.

Partial, IMO, is the best method for those with almost zero SI. It's simple, fast, and doesn't involve much pain really.

I imagine full would be a lot more pressure and discomfort. Like you said more pressure than needed. Something tells me full would cause you to pass out quicker but something about it scares me lol

 

[PI3.14]

I imagine full would be a lot more pressure and discomfort. Like you said more pressure than needed. Something tells me full would cause you to pass out quicker but something about it scares me lol

As you said, with full you end up applying more force than actually needed.

It's only more successful than partial cus once you step down, there is no going back.

Partial is my method since I don't want to compress my windpipe, which will probably happen if I go with full.

 

[somebodyfromeast]

I've been thinking about similar things lately. And I've come to the conclusion that the human body is quite easy to die by accident and extremely difficult to do so on purpose.
A friend of mine died last year. He tripped and fell badly on a rock, breaking his temple. Instant death. What about multiple deliberate attempts lol?

Plus I think there is a "survivorship bias" (sorry, I don't know what this term is called in your native language). We know how Robbie Williams simply passed away because he is a star. And we don't know how many similar attempts have been made by other people who are not celebrities, whose attempts have failed. Robbie Williams is probably a one in a million case where everything worked out. This fact cannot be underestimated

 

[JesiBel]

Some part of your body is resting on the ground and it's easier to regret and abort the procedure.

People seek too much comfort over the outcome, you will feel some pain even if it is only for seconds.

It doesn't really take much pressure to block the carotid arteries. I think willpower and determination are among the most important things, along with proper ligature placement and knot (the procedure)

Measurement of force to obstruct the cervical arteries and distribution of tension exerted on a ligature in hanging

Calculation of tension exerted on a ligature in incomplete/partial hanging

These videos can help analyze the scene; they were able to attempt successfully:

Partial hanging aftermath videos

(With various positions, materials and anchor points)

Partial Hanging, brief summary: losing consciousness, postures, reviewing common problems

 

[Wolf Girl]

I'd like to add that partial can also fail if you take the pressure off when you start thrashing after losing consciousness.

 

[barelyholdingon]

I've been thinking about similar things lately. And I've come to the conclusion that the human body is quite easy to die by accident and extremely difficult to do so on purpose.
A friend of mine died last year. He tripped and fell badly on a rock, breaking his temple. Instant death. What about multiple deliberate attempts lol?

Plus I think there is a "survivorship bias" (sorry, I don't know what this term is called in your native language). We know how Robbie Williams simply passed away because he is a star. And we don't know how many similar attempts have been made by other people who are not celebrities, whose attempts have failed. Robbie Williams is probably a one in a million case where everything worked out. This fact cannot be underestimated

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, I hope he went out painlessly. The world is cruel