Why do people advocate against suicide for people with no reason to live?

[loggingin]

Is it to make themselves feel better or what?

 

[aufrechtm7]

A lot of people for different reasons believe that life is inherently valuable, therefore you shouldn't take your own life. But a lot of these people haven't actually thought about the why to their belief in depth, so it's not always to make themselves feel better.

 

[aushunaph]

yeah, they're all sanctimonious. they come from the idea that all lives are worth living without ever examining how someone's life and situation impacts them. they dont understand how some situations aren't worth living, and they want to believe that they could never be in a place like that. i think it's some kind of denial

 

[soributton]

A lot of people just like to be morally superior. If they think they're saving lives they believe they're better than pro-choice people here.

 

[sanctionedusage]

naivete most of the time. deliberate ego boost the other bit of time. and rarely, they do it out of guilt if they think they're important enough to have made you feel that way.

 

[Riu]

I think they feel like they are obligated to tell someone not to suicide like how christians feel obligated sometimes to spread their faith. Suicide is 100% a bad thing to them and they grew up being told that and believing that, so them ignoring someone feels bad to them.

 

[Forveleth]

Society has the misguided notion that staying alive is more important than the quality of life. They also have the misguided notion that it is any of their fucking business whether someone does not want to live anymore.

 

[wine is fine but]

Is it to make themselves feel better or what?

yes - the world is full of virtual signalers - the western world is a perfect example of it. half the population pretends to care about everything, yet if they, or a loved one has no experience in it, they do not give a crap about it

the other big reason, is that they cannot, nor be expected to understand. to them life is 100% precious, so they naturally assume that since they believe it, then every other person on this planet must as well, and anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot or deluded

 

[LetMeOut67]

They don't want to face the reality that life's a fate worse than death for some.
They want to stick with their assumption that life is basically a good thing. Despite all the evidence to the contrary. Having to face the true horror of this world is, understandably, something no one really wants to do.

 

[Tellurian120]

Reminds me a few years back when I posted, on Snapchat, a message that was apparently vaguely suggesting I was going to kill myself, which wasn't my intention. By the time I realized and took down the post five minutes later (I despise suggesting I'm going to kill myself under my actual name), I had got three messages from some high school classmates, telling me not to kill myself and that life will be better and even suggesting that soon I can go out for social events.

Never heard from them again, even when I was attempting to be more social by starting chats with them. Obviously they have no obligation to converse with me, but that's what made it obvious - they will not care for you unless they feel there is a risk you will kill yourself. And when it appears you have temporarily recovered, they will go back to ignoring you again. Thus giving me no reason to live.

 

[FuneralCry]

Because they want others to suffer, all they want is for people to be tortured in this terrible, cruel and dreadful existence that to me will always be a mistake, to me anti-suicide is just terrible extreme cruelty, it's just so evil to me how they want others to feel the pain of existing and be tortured in this dreadful, terrible existence for as much and as long as possible.

I just find it so horrific how there is such a thing as anti-suicide in this existence so evil and dreadful that just never should had been imposed, the existence of life is the most devastating, terrible tragedy that just causes all this cruelty, harm and suffering all for the sake of it torturing existing beings with no limit as to how much agony one can feel. To me existence will just always be such a cruel mistake, to suffer in this existence is just the most terrible abomination to me and I always suffer from existing in this horrific anti-suicide world where so many just want others to be tortured, it's so horrifying how the torture of existing can continue for decades longer just for one to face the agony of old age.

 

[itsgone2]

to them life is 100% precious, so they naturally assume that since they believe it, the

Yes. This explains so rmuch. I wonder why violent crimin and or any repeat offender is let go. Their lives are precious.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

all this is my opinion. i think almost all humans have no understanding how bad pain or suffering can get , including me.

that pain is unbearable imo is supported by evolution and evidence of torture , and other experiences including my own.

just one example of many cold wind.

a month ago i was watching young healthy humans running from their cars to the store because it was cold and the wind was blowing and it wasn't even that cold. that shows to me that cold wind is unbearable.

i was out in cold wind walking to the car and i couldn't believe how bad it felt i couldn't tolerate another second outside so i got into the car. i couldn't imagine how horrible a torture it would be if i couldn't go inside and have to suffer like that every second for hours days . it wasn't even that cold but it fell that bad to me and with my luck i know i would remain alive for days or weeks or more. and i felt this unbearable pain with other types of pain.

Evolution created a torture chamber the brain making it worse every generation for hundreds of millions of years. the animals and humans that could not tolerate being in the cold a second longer did everything to get warm . others to which the pain of cold wind was bad but tolerable didn't get out of the cold fast enough and died sooner and so had less offspring. the longer surviving humans and animals had more offpring and these are our ancestors. to those which pain was the worst most unbearable worked the hardest to find food , water, shelter from cold etc.

i think almost all humans have no understanding how bad pain or suffering can get , including me.if they did they wouldn't think life is some precious gift and wouldn't tell people to accept suffering and continue to live. if they believed this they wouldn't advocate against suicide because they would understand that sometimes people want to avoid extreme suffering unbearable pain or extreme torture . they wouldn't allow governments to ban and criminalize all guaranteed suicide methods into crimes as they have like Nembutal, paying someone to shoot me , sarco suicide pod etc.

when i think about it logically to me pain is a billion times more intense more unwanted than pleasurable things are wanted or felt.

The constant worst unbearable pain outweighs the pleasurable things like eating food by a billion times.

if someone believes what i wrote above then every second i or they would be in absolute terror of life and falling into a trap of unending constant unbearable pain.

the constant worst unbearable pain is unbearable by a billion times worse than you don't want something to happen.

 

[Leonard_Bangley39]

virtue signaling, and also because they believe that they can help give those people a reason to live. unfortunately, most of them arent good at helping

 

[black_iris]

A lot of people just like to be morally superior. If they think they're saving lives they believe they're better than pro-choice people here.

virtue signaling, and also because they believe that they can help give those people a reason to live. unfortunately, most of them arent good at helping.

yes - the world is full of virtual signalers - the western world is a perfect example of it. half the population pretends to care about everything, yet if they, or a loved one has no experience in it, they do not give a crap about it

the other big reason, is that they cannot, nor be expected to understand. to them life is 100% precious, so they naturally assume that since they believe it, then every other person on this planet must as well, and anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot or deluded

i agree with all of these completely in this argument. i also think some people just say it because everyone else says it because if they said anything else they would be outcasted.

i mean just look how the media antagonizes SaSu even though most users just want whats best for each other, pro-choice. society only preaches pro-life no matter what, and they see suicides and deaths as a tragidy even if thats what the person wanted.

if you told one of these people that you believe in pro-choice theyll see you in a different light and think youre crazy.

also a lot of them have never and will never experience suicidal ideation because they antagonize it so they dont even know how much the person is suffering.

 

[Passenger4224]

The pro lifers are brainwashed and want to force their beliefs on others.

 

[XxEstenxX]

Is it to make themselves feel better or what?

That, and/or because these people are blindly optimistic and believe that everyone will have a happy ending like they will.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Is it to make themselves feel better or what?

Because they have too much money, resources and few problems.

 

[Unsure and Useless]

1. Ignorance/naivete as to how someone can be so tormented by their circumstances that they want to CTB
2. Scared/unwilling to enable CTB in any capacity due to social consequences and/or religious beliefs
3. A desire to feel morally superior
4. Not wanting to lose someone they care about

These are the four reasons that I've come to accept as to why some people are adamantly against CTB, and a person can be motivated by more than one of these reasons. Ultimately, people are anti-choice because the entire world is against CTB, so there's little success in trying to convince someone to see our point of view because this is an opinion that exists within a perpetually reinforced echo chamber

I can't tell anyone who reads this how to handle these anti-choice people, but honestly, you just gotta give them a taste of their own medicine. Whenever they try to plead with you about why you're in the wrong for wanting to take your life into your own hands, just smile, nod, "agree", and spout whatever hopeful rhetoric you think will get them off your back

Sucks, but fighting against them only makes things worse for you in the long run. These people will not hesitate to send you to the psych ward because, at the end, you're the only one going to suffer the consequences, not them

I didn't mean to add the last two paragraphs lol I'm just a spiteful yapper

 

[itsgone2]

It would be nice, living a life so good that the thought of dying is terrifying. Try to imagine it.

They think it's possible for everyone. Imagine never knowing a single horror. Just families that love and support you.

it's hard not to be jealous.

 

[Daphne]

Because some of them are bullies and many of those who CTB have a history of being bullied. Without us, they lose their dopamine supply.