I just read the wikipedia article of Kenneth Law.
en.wikipedia.org
Kenneth M. Law (born 1965) is a Canadian man who was charged with shipping a potentially lethal substance to people intending to kill themselves. He was arrested in May 2023 on two counts of counselling or aiding suicide.[1] He was later charged with 14 counts of first-degree murder.[2] By September 2023, Radio Canada International linked him to 131 suicides worldwide, including 97 in the United Kingdom.[3] Law, however, is not being prosecuted outside of Ontario.[4]
Sodium nitrite is a food preservative and is not inherently illegal, but is harmful to humans in large enough quantities. Law has admitted to selling the substance but argues that he had "no control" over what his customers did with his products and thus has not committed a crime.[5]
On April 17, 2026, family members of Law's alleged victims were told by prosecutors that the murder charges would be dropped and that he intended to plead guilty to 14 counts of aiding suicide.[6] His trial had previously been scheduled to start in spring 2026
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In 2016, wanting a "lifestyle change",[13] he found employment as a cook at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel, where he was filmed partaking in a labour union turf dispute.[14] Toronto Life reported that Law performed poorly, frequently argued with his coworkers and had few friends there. He complained of age discrimination.[15] In an interview with The Globe and Mail, Law stated that this was where he discovered sodium nitrite, the substance he would later be charged for selling.[5] Philip Nitschke claims to have introduced him to the substance.[16] The hotel's kitchen shut down early on in the COVID-19 pandemic in Canada,[15] and a now-unemployed Law[17] filed for bankruptcy, owing over C$134,000.
Alleged criminal activities
A sample of sodium nitrite
According to Peel Region Police, Law "began operating" websites from which he would later sell sodium nitrite in late 2020.[18] York Regional Police alleged that he had set up at least five of these sites, also using them to peddle masks and hoods.[19] Toronto Life reported that these sites, in addition to selling suicide paraphernalia, also offered hot sauce and C$150 "consultation calls" with Law.[15] A woman who claims to be one of Law's customers described a site as being similar to Amazon, even having tracking numbers for products. She also stated that the site was dressed with other products, but only sodium nitrite was ever in stock.[20] The Sunday Times reported that one of these allegedly Law-operated websites appeared "innocent enough" and had a background of cold meats and a cheese board.[17]
An account known as Greenberg, who claimed to be a retired New York doctor, promoted Law's products on suicide forums and ran a pro-suicide blog. Greenberg, like Law, was a fan of Star Trek and had a habit of signing off with "cheers".[21] Several sources interviewed by the Toronto Star believe that Law is Greenberg, but the paper could not verify this. Greenberg, while still active, denied being affiliated with Law.[22] Greenberg ceased posting shortly before Law's 2023 arrest. Google took down the Greenberg blog a day after The Times exposé on Law.[
Social impact
After Law's May 2023 arrest, Google Trends registered a spike in interest in sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate, presumably confused for the former, in Canada. A smaller spike in searches for these two terms occurred in August, when Law was additionally charged.[40]
In 2024, the Toronto Star reported that victims' families suspected that Law sold his products on Sanctioned Suicide, but was unable to independently verify the allegation.[41]
Channel 4 commissioned a two-part documentary, Poisoned: Killer in the Post.[42] It aired in July 2025
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So these were some parts of it. I am not sure what to think about all of that. Personally, I think choosing one's own death should be a human right. Though, it needs some guardrails and safety measures. LIke for example checking the age of the person who wants to order a lethal poison. And I don't think people like Kenneth Law do that. People on here said the prices he demanded there were way too high considering how much it usually costs. I assume if you know you could end up in legal trouble if you sell such stuff like that you want at least something in exchange. He seemed to have money issues. Never in my life would I sell such stuff. I also wouldn't want to help anyone in suicide in general. Even if I didn't get money for it. I would understand it more if he needed the money for someone else or when he donated money. Though, I think these were not his intentions at all.
You can read about Philip Nitschke who founded Exit International I think. He condemns Sanctioned Suicide for being irresponsible from what I have heard. I hope I don't misrepresent him. Personally, I have more issues with what he is doing. These assisted suicide organizations take a lot of money for their services. When I was younger I always hoped I could one day get assisted suicide. However, I think in practice something like that doesn't seem feasible. The money they want is insane. I think up to 10.000 Euros or more. It is a long time since I read much about it. Though, I think if you start the process there is a time window where you are allowed to receive assisted suicide. I want to be more free in my decision making. You are not allowed to kill yourself in an acute crisis because they argue you wouldn't be rational in such a situation. Personally, for my life I don't consider this true. If I want to kill myself for a very long time but I have not crossed my limits and then an acute crisis happens on top....well I would be still rational but just knew that I currently go through a crisis that will be pretty hard to deal with. You can make such considerations before you are actually experiencing this crisis. And well I make such considerations all the time and think about how much I am able to stomach.
There are also assessments that can cost a couple of thousand Euros. And if the psychiatrist rejects you you lost a few thousand bucks for literally nothing. And this was the point I knew this isn't a method for me. Moreover, my dad told me if I try to get assisted suicide he will try to sue me. Bro, I don't need that drama. Then I have to do it the hidden way. Honestly, I would get a lot of shit from my family if I went through the process. And the way the media reports about young people who receive assisted suicide is in many instances disgusting.
When I was younger I thought it would be easier for me to let go when I got the official approval. I think this copium in my case. Committing suicide is still very rough. I changed my mind on it. I thought I would like it if my friends held my hands when I die and stuff like that. But that's more a fairy tale narrative I guess. I think my friends would not feel good at all in the process. I want them to have the last amount of guilty conscience. I think only an acute crisis could drive me over the edge. I suffer a lot for many years. And this suffering will continue. And there are many structural developments that will decrease my life quality over time. My parents become older and older. And actually they needed my help. But I am no help at all. I don't want having to witness us going down. We are so desperate. There are so many issues. Personally, I panic a lot. I just want to escape having to deal with this. I don't want to experience our downfall. Though there is one fear. What I survive an attempt and my parents get strokes/heart attacks and end up as nursing cases. I would have accelerated the whole process a lot. And I would be in way more issues than before. This is for me the main reason to postpone it. But there will be some critical junctures soon. And if they play out in a bad way the process might be irreversible aleady. And then it doesn't seem to matter I guess.
Back to the topic: I think I don't want to talk more about it. I am ambivalent. I am dependent on the help of such people. I see issues if the only motive is getting a lot of money for it. Though, if nobody helped me in dying...well I had to endure all of this way longer. However, there is still the scenario that there are companies who just don't know what they are actually selling. I don't know how many of them are not aware for what their products are used...in 2026 that's increasingly unlikely. But I think in the past there were a lot of companies which were not aware of it. I think in an ideal society all of this had to be regulated in a completely different way. The approach to this topic had to change fundamentally. It looks like this won't happen any time soon. It looks like we are moving backwards on this issue.
I don't know. I think I should stop rambling.
My dad texted me again and again. I told him I cannot respond to him all the time. I am not feeling well. I am actually really overburdened and overwhelmed. Finally, he accepted it. In front of my mom I try to act relaxed and in a somewhat good shape. The autistic/ADHD woman doesn't seem to respond to me. I think I should let go of her. In the past solely this could have made me really acutely suicidal. But honestly I have so many problems to worry about. I don't have time to freak out about it.
Just talked to my mom. She just walked straight into the room. She cannot read English.
Bro I cannot do this to her. She is really really stressed out. When I was at the clinic for acute suicidal people her gaze looking at me was heartbreaking. Even though, we lied to her about how serious my suicidality was. All the people in the clinic had a guily conscience towards their relatives. Personally, I would just hope not having to experience the aftermath. I guess I will have to observe how the situation of my family turns out. But I get uncomfortable not being able to escape the situation no matter how bad it gets. I will try to get my hands on the sources of SN from a reliable seller. Just in case. I noticed when I had it at my home I was more impulsive. It wasn't the ease for me how others described it. In the end I want that my suicide is rational. I think I only want to order it when I am determined on taking it in a short time afterwards.
Kenneth Law - Wikipedia
Kenneth M. Law (born 1965) is a Canadian man who was charged with shipping a potentially lethal substance to people intending to kill themselves. He was arrested in May 2023 on two counts of counselling or aiding suicide.[1] He was later charged with 14 counts of first-degree murder.[2] By September 2023, Radio Canada International linked him to 131 suicides worldwide, including 97 in the United Kingdom.[3] Law, however, is not being prosecuted outside of Ontario.[4]
Sodium nitrite is a food preservative and is not inherently illegal, but is harmful to humans in large enough quantities. Law has admitted to selling the substance but argues that he had "no control" over what his customers did with his products and thus has not committed a crime.[5]
On April 17, 2026, family members of Law's alleged victims were told by prosecutors that the murder charges would be dropped and that he intended to plead guilty to 14 counts of aiding suicide.[6] His trial had previously been scheduled to start in spring 2026
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In 2016, wanting a "lifestyle change",[13] he found employment as a cook at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel, where he was filmed partaking in a labour union turf dispute.[14] Toronto Life reported that Law performed poorly, frequently argued with his coworkers and had few friends there. He complained of age discrimination.[15] In an interview with The Globe and Mail, Law stated that this was where he discovered sodium nitrite, the substance he would later be charged for selling.[5] Philip Nitschke claims to have introduced him to the substance.[16] The hotel's kitchen shut down early on in the COVID-19 pandemic in Canada,[15] and a now-unemployed Law[17] filed for bankruptcy, owing over C$134,000.
Alleged criminal activities
A sample of sodium nitrite
According to Peel Region Police, Law "began operating" websites from which he would later sell sodium nitrite in late 2020.[18] York Regional Police alleged that he had set up at least five of these sites, also using them to peddle masks and hoods.[19] Toronto Life reported that these sites, in addition to selling suicide paraphernalia, also offered hot sauce and C$150 "consultation calls" with Law.[15] A woman who claims to be one of Law's customers described a site as being similar to Amazon, even having tracking numbers for products. She also stated that the site was dressed with other products, but only sodium nitrite was ever in stock.[20] The Sunday Times reported that one of these allegedly Law-operated websites appeared "innocent enough" and had a background of cold meats and a cheese board.[17]
An account known as Greenberg, who claimed to be a retired New York doctor, promoted Law's products on suicide forums and ran a pro-suicide blog. Greenberg, like Law, was a fan of Star Trek and had a habit of signing off with "cheers".[21] Several sources interviewed by the Toronto Star believe that Law is Greenberg, but the paper could not verify this. Greenberg, while still active, denied being affiliated with Law.[22] Greenberg ceased posting shortly before Law's 2023 arrest. Google took down the Greenberg blog a day after The Times exposé on Law.[
Social impact
After Law's May 2023 arrest, Google Trends registered a spike in interest in sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate, presumably confused for the former, in Canada. A smaller spike in searches for these two terms occurred in August, when Law was additionally charged.[40]
In 2024, the Toronto Star reported that victims' families suspected that Law sold his products on Sanctioned Suicide, but was unable to independently verify the allegation.[41]
Channel 4 commissioned a two-part documentary, Poisoned: Killer in the Post.[42] It aired in July 2025
My comment:
So these were some parts of it. I am not sure what to think about all of that. Personally, I think choosing one's own death should be a human right. Though, it needs some guardrails and safety measures. LIke for example checking the age of the person who wants to order a lethal poison. And I don't think people like Kenneth Law do that. People on here said the prices he demanded there were way too high considering how much it usually costs. I assume if you know you could end up in legal trouble if you sell such stuff like that you want at least something in exchange. He seemed to have money issues. Never in my life would I sell such stuff. I also wouldn't want to help anyone in suicide in general. Even if I didn't get money for it. I would understand it more if he needed the money for someone else or when he donated money. Though, I think these were not his intentions at all.
You can read about Philip Nitschke who founded Exit International I think. He condemns Sanctioned Suicide for being irresponsible from what I have heard. I hope I don't misrepresent him. Personally, I have more issues with what he is doing. These assisted suicide organizations take a lot of money for their services. When I was younger I always hoped I could one day get assisted suicide. However, I think in practice something like that doesn't seem feasible. The money they want is insane. I think up to 10.000 Euros or more. It is a long time since I read much about it. Though, I think if you start the process there is a time window where you are allowed to receive assisted suicide. I want to be more free in my decision making. You are not allowed to kill yourself in an acute crisis because they argue you wouldn't be rational in such a situation. Personally, for my life I don't consider this true. If I want to kill myself for a very long time but I have not crossed my limits and then an acute crisis happens on top....well I would be still rational but just knew that I currently go through a crisis that will be pretty hard to deal with. You can make such considerations before you are actually experiencing this crisis. And well I make such considerations all the time and think about how much I am able to stomach.
There are also assessments that can cost a couple of thousand Euros. And if the psychiatrist rejects you you lost a few thousand bucks for literally nothing. And this was the point I knew this isn't a method for me. Moreover, my dad told me if I try to get assisted suicide he will try to sue me. Bro, I don't need that drama. Then I have to do it the hidden way. Honestly, I would get a lot of shit from my family if I went through the process. And the way the media reports about young people who receive assisted suicide is in many instances disgusting.
When I was younger I thought it would be easier for me to let go when I got the official approval. I think this copium in my case. Committing suicide is still very rough. I changed my mind on it. I thought I would like it if my friends held my hands when I die and stuff like that. But that's more a fairy tale narrative I guess. I think my friends would not feel good at all in the process. I want them to have the last amount of guilty conscience. I think only an acute crisis could drive me over the edge. I suffer a lot for many years. And this suffering will continue. And there are many structural developments that will decrease my life quality over time. My parents become older and older. And actually they needed my help. But I am no help at all. I don't want having to witness us going down. We are so desperate. There are so many issues. Personally, I panic a lot. I just want to escape having to deal with this. I don't want to experience our downfall. Though there is one fear. What I survive an attempt and my parents get strokes/heart attacks and end up as nursing cases. I would have accelerated the whole process a lot. And I would be in way more issues than before. This is for me the main reason to postpone it. But there will be some critical junctures soon. And if they play out in a bad way the process might be irreversible aleady. And then it doesn't seem to matter I guess.
Back to the topic: I think I don't want to talk more about it. I am ambivalent. I am dependent on the help of such people. I see issues if the only motive is getting a lot of money for it. Though, if nobody helped me in dying...well I had to endure all of this way longer. However, there is still the scenario that there are companies who just don't know what they are actually selling. I don't know how many of them are not aware for what their products are used...in 2026 that's increasingly unlikely. But I think in the past there were a lot of companies which were not aware of it. I think in an ideal society all of this had to be regulated in a completely different way. The approach to this topic had to change fundamentally. It looks like this won't happen any time soon. It looks like we are moving backwards on this issue.
I don't know. I think I should stop rambling.
My dad texted me again and again. I told him I cannot respond to him all the time. I am not feeling well. I am actually really overburdened and overwhelmed. Finally, he accepted it. In front of my mom I try to act relaxed and in a somewhat good shape. The autistic/ADHD woman doesn't seem to respond to me. I think I should let go of her. In the past solely this could have made me really acutely suicidal. But honestly I have so many problems to worry about. I don't have time to freak out about it.
Just talked to my mom. She just walked straight into the room. She cannot read English.
Bro I cannot do this to her. She is really really stressed out. When I was at the clinic for acute suicidal people her gaze looking at me was heartbreaking. Even though, we lied to her about how serious my suicidality was. All the people in the clinic had a guily conscience towards their relatives. Personally, I would just hope not having to experience the aftermath. I guess I will have to observe how the situation of my family turns out. But I get uncomfortable not being able to escape the situation no matter how bad it gets. I will try to get my hands on the sources of SN from a reliable seller. Just in case. I noticed when I had it at my home I was more impulsive. It wasn't the ease for me how others described it. In the end I want that my suicide is rational. I think I only want to order it when I am determined on taking it in a short time afterwards.
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