unclumping SN

[sundown12]

so I have SN that I bought last summer, and even back when I bought it it was all clumpy, is there a way to unclump it? I tried putting it in a blender, but it turns into powder and I'm not sure that's gonna kill me 100%. any ideas?

 

[cowboypants]

Don't mess around with it until the day you are using it. It reacts to the air and loses potency. Basically any tool should help to break it something wooden preferably

 

[sundown12]

Don't mess around with it until the day you are using it. It reacts to the air and loses potency. Basically any tool should help to break it something wooden preferably

SN is highly stable and I store it in a dry dark place in a container.

 

[quietwoods]

SN is highly stable and I store it in a dry dark place in a container.

Moderately stable. Every time you open it you are exposing it to air and humidity and accelerating the transition to nitrate. There's more than one recorded instance of people's SN on this site becoming mostly useless after a year or two due to degradation.

I don't know why you are concerned with it becoming powder in a blender, that's a physical change not a chemical one. I would be more concerned that the blender is now contaminated with SN and possibly poisoning myself or anyone else who uses that blender.

 

[sundown12]

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Moderately stable. Every time you open it you are exposing it to air and humidity and accelerating the transition to nitrate. There's more than one recorded instance of people's SN on this site becoming mostly useless after a year or two due to degradation.

I don't know why you are concerned with it becoming powder in a blender, that's a physical change not a chemical one. I would be more concerned that the blender is now contaminated with SN and possibly poisoning myself or anyone else who uses that blender.

have you heard of washing with soap? it helps with the poisoning, you know

 

[quietwoods]

have

have you heard of washing with soap? it helps with the poisoning, you know

Wouldn't trust it my friend. Even trace tiny amounts of SN can cause severe poisoning and both hand washing and automatic dishwashers will not always fully clean an item, often leaving residue.

I would not trust any item that has touched SN and has not been washed many times

 

[Dejected 55]

Sodium nitrite is used to cure meat... in small amounts it is not toxic or lots of meat-eaters would be dropping like flies. Definitely would wash the container... but if someone says don't trust it even after washing... then... I mean, if you've ever wiped your own ass, apparently washing does no good... we're all doomed if you can't wash stuff anymore and trust it.

 

[quietwoods]

Sodium nitrate is used to cure meat... in small amounts it is not toxic or lots of meat-eaters would be dropping like flies. Definitely would wash the container... but if someone says don't trust it even after washing... then... I mean, if you've ever wiped your own ass, apparently washing does no good... we're all doomed if you can't wash stuff anymore and trust it.

In small amounts it is 100% toxic and people have been hospitalized from eating too much meat containing SN.

Please don't post misinformation like this that can endanger someone's life without doing the proper research.

And it is sodium nitrite not nitrate. There is a huge difference between the two

 

[sundown12]

Wouldn't trust it my friend. Even trace tiny amounts of SN can cause severe poisoning and both hand washing and automatic dishwashers will not always fully clean an item, often leaving residue.

I would not trust any item that has touched SN and has not been washed many times

well i used the blender afterwards many times and i'm still alive, so your information is incorrect

 

[quietwoods]

well i used the blender afterwards many times and i'm still alive, so your information is incorrect

Not saying it's going to happen every time, saying it is possible to happen. Just pulled multiple items out my dishwasher an hour ago still with food residue.

It's a risk not a 100% certainty.

You sound a little defensive, that wasn't my intention. Was trying to give a warning about a risk

 

[mangoastronaut]

In small amounts it is 100% toxic and people have been hospitalized from eating too much meat containing SN.

Please don't post misinformation like this that can endanger someone's life without doing the proper research.

I second this! It's like wish mushrooms, you never use the same blender you use on mushrooms that you use on food. You don't want to be getting high when you don't want to or anybody else high.

but if someone says don't trust it even after washing... then... I mean, if you've ever wiped your own ass, apparently washing does no good

Wiping your ass from doo doo is not the same as dealing with chemicals. Not like I know much, but I do know to steer clear from my chemist partner's lab.

 

[Dejected 55]

In small amounts it is 100% toxic and people have been hospitalized from eating too much meat containing SN.

Please don't post misinformation like this that can endanger someone's life without doing the proper research.

And it is sodium nitrite not nitrate. There is a huge difference between the two

I made a typo, thank you for noticing, and I corrected it in my original post.

Meanwhile, define "small amounts are 100% toxic." That's the king of misinformation right there.

In the USA, considered-safe levels are something like 0.05-0.07 mg per kg of body weight per day. For example, 200 lbs is approximately 90 kgs... so if you are 90 kgs, you could ingest 4.5 to 6.3 mgs of sodium nitrite per day. So if you are talking about "trace amounts" and trying to claim they are toxic, you should understand that "trace amounts" would be considerably lower than the scientifically considered safe amounts.

As I said, lots of meats have sodium nitrite in them. Allowing of course for some people to have an increased sensitivity to the ingredient, as in all things where some people have lower tolerance and some folks are deathly allergic to peanut powder, for instance... but if you don't have a reason to think you have a specific problem with sodium nitrite otherwise, then trace amounts would be fine.

I mean, there are going to be trace amounts on the outside of the container of sodium nitrite from when it was originally packaged, and if you've opened it you were likely exposed to trace amounts as well. So my original accidental (and now corrected) typo aside, you're incorrectly misinforming people of how dangerous sodium nitrite is yourself.

<Edit>. I agree that the blender absolutely should have been washed... and this was done, apparently according to the earlier post.

 

[quietwoods]

I made a typo, thank you for noticing, and I corrected it in my original post.

Meanwhile, define "small amounts are 100% toxic." That's the king of misinformation right there.

In the USA, considered-safe levels are something like 0.05-0.07 mg per kg of body weight per day. For example, 200 lbs is approximately 90 kgs... so if you are 90 kgs, you could ingest 4.5 to 6.3 mgs of sodium nitrite per day. So if you are talking about "trace amounts" and trying to claim they are toxic, you should understand that "trace amounts" would be considerably lower than the scientifically considered safe amounts.

As I said, lots of meats have sodium nitrite in them. Allowing of course for some people to have an increased sensitivity to the ingredient, as in all things where some people have lower tolerance and some folks are deathly allergic to peanut powder, for instance... but if you don't have a reason to think you have a specific problem with sodium nitrite otherwise, then trace amounts would be fine.

I mean, there are going to be trace amounts on the outside of the container of sodium nitrite from when it was originally packaged, and if you've opened it you were likely exposed to trace amounts as well. So my original accidental (and now corrected) typo aside, you're incorrectly misinforming people of how dangerous sodium nitrite is yourself.

<Edit>. I agree that the blender absolutely should have been washed... and this was done, apparently according to the earlier post.

You're kinda straw-manning/misdirecting at this point if we aren't talking about different trace amounts.

I'm not talking about two specks of SN on the outside of a package, but small quantities that are more than the safe trace amounts in food. SN has killed people as low as 500mg, which is roughly 7.3mg per kg of body weight. The link below confirms as low as 1g.

If you have SN, I would recommend measuring out 500mg. That is really not a lot (visually and volume-wise). 500mg is about 1/10 of a teaspoon. And that's just the minimum dose that can kill you.

Severe effects of of poisoning will still occur at much lower doses

So the upper range safe amount is 6.3mg for a 200lb person, which is definitely heavier than average for a human. Let's be generous and say someone accidentally consumes 10x that from a blender that was improperly cleaned and had 63mg stuck in a crevice, which again, is a visibly very miniscule amount of SN.

Are they going to die? Probably not? Are they going to be sickened and may even need medical help? Very likely.

An average sausage contains 0.0152% SN. An average sausage is 150g. That's 0.23mg of SN per sausage, so understandable why someone doesn't get sick from a single sausage but consuming 273x in 63mg? Yeah they are going to be violently sick. Imagine you're going to be feeling some effects even at the safe limit, just not severe ones. That would be the equivalent of eating pounds and pounds of cured meat.

At this point I am hoping that there is some miscommunication and you are not suggesting 63mg or any amount above the daily safe intake of SN is safe.

There's a reason why the safe daily intake is called the safe daily intake

Hence why I called your post misinformation. And dangerous at that. I don't want anyone on this site to be harmed and hope you feel the same.

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[Dejected 55]

According to general chemistry definitions... A "trace amount" typically refers to quantities that are barely detectable and near the analytical method's detection limit.

IF dude put his whole bottle (how much was in his bottle?) into a blender to unclump it then presumably put that back in its container, I feel like he is going to notice if a significant amount of it is gone, no?

And he said he cleaned the blender. Unless he is just shit at cleaning, most of it should be gone... leaving at most, "trace amounts" which in most reasonable people's terms would be considered negligible. As in, you might not want them there... but you know, canned beans contain "trace amounts" of ground up worms and bug larvae and such... you don't even notice, because you know "trace" amounts and all.

IF dude isn't washing his blender good enough to get most of the remaining sodium nitrite out of it... then I daresay he has bigger problems because he apparently doesn't wash dishes for crap and it's a miracle he hasn't poisoned himself several times over by now.

273 sausages is a lot of damn sausages to eat, incidentally... I wager anyone eating 273 sausages in one sitting is probably at risk of dying of a lot of other things and not just the sodium nitrite present in them!

"As low as 500mg" has killed... sure... that's WAY over by many orders the safe limit. 500mg is also way more than a "trace." As I began, a "trace" is generally considered to be barely detectable amounts of a thing, so saying "trace" amounts of sodium nitrite doesn't make sense. You're making it sound like this stuff is like nitroglycerine level of unstable and dangerous... which is isn't. By all accounts it takes a lot to kill, and only slightly less to make the average person sick... and trace amounts just aren't going to do that.

Dude could easily miss trace amounts in his blender... but if there is enough for him to see, which would be more than a trace, then I'd like to think he's smart enough to wash it again because he'll see he missed washing it well.

<edit> Oh, and from the link you included... the thread where it notes people have died from as little as 1 gram. Yes, 1 gram is WAY above the safe daily limit as I noted earlier. Based on the definitions I can find easily searching online, 1 gram is not at all considered a trace amount.

 

[quietwoods]

According to general chemistry definitions... A "trace amount" typically refers to quantities that are barely detectable and near the analytical method's detection limit.

IF dude put his whole bottle (how much was in his bottle?) into a blender to unclump it then presumably put that back in its container, I feel like he is going to notice if a significant amount of it is gone, no?

And he said he cleaned the blender. Unless he is just shit at cleaning, most of it should be gone... leaving at most, "trace amounts" which in most reasonable people's terms would be considered negligible. As in, you might not want them there... but you know, canned beans contain "trace amounts" of ground up worms and bug larvae and such... you don't even notice, because you know "trace" amounts and all.

IF dude isn't washing his blender good enough to get most of the remaining sodium nitrite out of it... then I daresay he has bigger problems because he apparently doesn't wash dishes for crap and it's a miracle he hasn't poisoned himself several times over by now.

273 sausages is a lot of damn sausages to eat, incidentally... I wager anyone eating 273 sausages in one sitting is probably at risk of dying of a lot of other things and not just the sodium nitrite present in them!

"As low as 500mg" has killed... sure... that's WAY over by many orders the safe limit. 500mg is also way more than a "trace." As I began, a "trace" is generally considered to be barely detectable amounts of a thing, so saying "trace" amounts of sodium nitrite doesn't make sense. You're making it sound like this stuff is like nitroglycerine level of unstable and dangerous... which is isn't. By all accounts it takes a lot to kill, and only slightly less to make the average person sick... and trace amounts just aren't going to do that.

Dude could easily miss trace amounts in his blender... but if there is enough for him to see, which would be more than a trace, then I'd like to think he's smart enough to wash it again because he'll see he missed washing it well.

<edit> Oh, and from the link you included... the thread where it notes people have died from as little as 1 gram. Yes, 1 gram is WAY above the safe daily limit as I noted earlier. Based on the definitions I can find easily searching online, 1 gram is not at all considered a trace amount.

At this stage, it's clear you only skimmed my reply and started typing. There's multiple separate places where you've misrepresented or misunderstood what I was saying, and others where I'm not even sure what you are trying to express.

You seem like a reasonably intelligent person but it's hard to not see you as arguing for the sake of arguing and being a contrarian at this point.

I've read your response multiple times and I don't see any coherent idea being expressed other than disagreement.

I'm here trying to talk about the lethality of a poison and you're bickering over the semantics of "trace" and "small".

Please be more responsible with your claims in the future, SN is not something to be trifled with.

 

[Dejected 55]

From your earlier post:

Wouldn't trust it my friend. Even trace tiny amounts of SN can cause severe poisoning and both hand washing and automatic dishwashers will not always fully clean an item, often leaving residue.

I would not trust any item that has touched SN and has not been washed many times

You stated that "trace" amounts are poison and that hand washing wasn't even enough. You also said you "wouldn't trust any item that has touched SN."

Those two statements alone seem to be way overstating the potency which makes it sound like you have to handle sodium nitrite like it was nuclear waste or something. That's all I've been refuting. By definition, trace amounts of sodium nitrite would not be dangerous. And since the person stated he washed his blender and has used it multiple times since, it seemed odd that you doubled down on your replies to him.

I wanted to be sure he knew that while you do need to use sodium nitrite with caution, you didn't have to wear a hazmat suit and sterilize your environment afterwards.