Venting They (forced-lifers) do not care about why one wishes to CTB, but only to uphold the taboo of the act of CTBing itself!

[TAW122]

Throughout the years and from observations on various online spaces, be it forums, comments, or even just certain people's comments (IRL) with regards to other people who CTB'd, I found a common theme or characteristic with regards to the 'forced-lifers'. They seem to gloss over, or overlook (not really care) about the reason(s) why one has CTB'd or so, but they would do almost everything they can to interfere against those who are actively trying to leave life/sentience itself! After all, it is not the forced-lifers' life that they are interfering against or saving, but they just want to save it regardless… It's as if they are just trying to uphold the taboo of the act of CTB itself!

One example IRL I've noticed was that in my adulthood life along with groups of people, presumably a circle of acquaintances (whom are no longer together as they moved on and had lives of their own, etc.), I recall that when there was a death (if it wasn't ruled to be CTB or so, at least not officially declared or known to be), it wasn't as strongly judged or even condemned. However, when it came to CTB related deaths, people acted weird about how it was preventable and essentially pathologized said person's death as an illness instead of a free choice by the person who doesn't want to continue to live or suffer.

Anyways, this is just a thread to vent about the current climate of society with respect to forced-lifers and the ever-growing paternalism that is present in our present day society. I normally don't write shorter threads, but this is just one of them.

 

[dreamofnofuture]

Agreed. I don't really understand the taboo nature surrounding CTBing one's self or wanting to except that, in America, the Judeo-Christian scaffold of this country, its values, and the propaganda fed into the minds of its citizens permits people from CTB'ing, as it's a sin to do so. I think it has something to do with corporations needing wage-slaves and the government wanting people to tax or, if you're homeless, throwing you in a labor camp or for-profit prison. Every living soul is something to profit off of, especially if you have a mental illness (or what is perceived as a mental illness, like SI for instance).

Who would continue to suffer? Mental suffering is just as, if not worse, as physical suffering, and people with the privilege of a neurotypicality, being higher on the racial hierarchy (white being the top, black being at the bottom), being male, not being poor, and having social safety nets such as family or friends genuinely do not understand what it's like to live in a world that's already trying to kill you. Until humans are treated as such instead of another cog in the machine, we shouldn't be surprised when someone offs themselves. In my eyes, I applaud their rebellion.​

 

[dreamofnofuture]

When? It happens everyday, every minute, beneath your nose; across the world.

Wdym? I'm not getting what "It happens everyday" is supposed to say ab what I said. /g

 

[Misanthrope0000]

I have experience with these "pro lifers".
When someone dies a natural death, they say good things, pray etc but when it's a suicide, a lot of them say things like "they're sinners" "they'll burn in hell" "they failed the test", they may be saddened yet still treat people who CTB as sinners that will burn in hell and that they're stupid for CTB etc without understanding anything about psychology.

 

[TAW122]

I have experience with these "pro lifers".
When someone dies a natural death, they say good things, pray etc but when it's a suicide, a lot of them say things like "they're sinners" "they'll burn in hell" "they failed the test", they may be saddened yet still treat people who CTB as sinners that will burn in hell and that they're stupid for CTB etc without understanding anything about psychology.

True and this post by existentialgoof on Reddit (linked here and quoted below) shows exactly what it means:

The question isn't how much society values human life. It's whether the owner of that life consents to being exploited in order to continue producing that putative "value" to benefit others. If they have to live because others see their life as having infinite value, then that's slavery hidden behind a smiling face.


It's also not really the value of these lives that people are concerned about. If one of these infinitely precious humans were to get run over by a bus and it was never reported on by the news, you would be blissfully unaware of all the value that you were being deprived of from that person's continued existence. I'd wager that the same is true of everyone dying of starvation in the 3rd world for want of a loaf of bread, or from poor quality drinking water. The problem arises only when it is the person themselves deciding that life isn't worth the cost, and we don't immediately infantilise them, coerce them and invalidate them. The reason why it matters then, and not in any other circumstance, is because they're effectively committing a blasphemy against the collective belief/coping mechanism that life is worth the struggle. If they're allowed to reject life and be validated in that rejection (or even just not outright invalidated and discredited) then that undermines everyone else's faith that life is worth living, and gives rise to niggling existential doubts in the minds of others. I disagree that slavery is a cornerstone of free democratic society, even when we conceal the true nature of it behind platitudes about the sanctity of human life.

Basically, EG is stating that the people who are harmed are harmed by the "thought and knowledge" of someone deciding themselves that life (to themselves) is not worth the cost. I have also bolded and color-coded the parts that summarize the core argument directly. And of course, it is no surprise that many forced-lifers and anti-choicers continue (and will always continue) to be obtuse, disingenuous and intellectually dishonest by bringing up "anyone can CTB" kind of argument (which has been continuously debunked and countered but yet they still continue to repeat it ad nauseam), but I digress as that is another topic for another thread!

 

[Front Back]

There's a story near my place about a woman who lost her husband, she lived with her son and suffer from poverty and no one really cared for them. long story after, she hang herself in hunger and desperation and the villager gather up food on her grave and help her kid. No one really talked about it any more because suicide is a taboo and the chief even talked about lowering the village reputation so yeah. No one cares when you alive really, it just that your death often became a burden no one wants to see

 

[The Eternal One]

There's a story near my place about a woman who lost her husband, she lived with her son and suffer from poverty and no one really cared for them. long story after, she hang herself in hunger and desperation and the villager gather up food on her grave and help her kid. No one really talked about it any more because suicide is a taboo and the chief even talked about lowering the village reputation so yeah. No one cares when you alive really, it just that your death often became a burden no one wants to see

This is so devastating and heartbreaking to read! She didn't deserve this suffering, nobody ever does.

It reminded me of a point George Carlin brought up in one of his stand ups about pro-lifers and abortion. They all care so-o-o much when you as a person basically don't exist, and no resources have to be spent on fighting for your "fetus rights". But the moment you're born, you're screwed, buddy, you're on your own!
It's the same with corpses I feel, as morbid of a comparison this might be - another non-existence to "fight for", merely a memory. So, naturally, virtue sginaling about such non-existence is way easier and more dopamine inducing due to lack of personal resources involved, rather than going out of your way to help an already existing, living, breathing human being. The latter would require actual work, attention and empathy you see.