Discussion there is no way god exist

[Deleted member 94706]

I have watched tons of videos both atheist and christian and atheist just seem more logical. Christians can't come up with excuses for why God exist, neither can they defend that God condones both slavery and genocide. Its kind of crazy seeing a christian try to defend God ordering Saul to slaughter everyone in an entire village, including women children and animals, and then defend by saying its the men of the village did something wrong.

Ok so its ok for me to kill someones entire family, because they're a criminal, their family members are responsible for their actions.

God also put Onan to death because he shot his cum on the floor. So you'll put a guy to death for shooting his cum on the floor but not for killing/raping/stealing/molesting children ect, because that's way worse.

The fact God doesn't show himself to people even if they pray, that he either doesn't exist, or for some reason wants people to not know he exist to "test their faith". Does that make sense at all If you exist you could just implant the belief of God into everyones mind you implanted the desire to sin in everyones. How do you think christians believe they force themselves to and lie to themselves, because if they don't it doesn't matter how good they are if they don't believe in God they will burn in hell. Christians don't even agree with God's actions, they're against abortion when God literally commanded Saul to kill babies. They don't agree with God, but they don't wanna admit it. Then they make this retarded defense that if you think God murdering innocent people is bad than objective morality exist, because God implanted the belief in them that murder is wrong. So you're basically agreeing that God is evil, since he himself violated his own objective moral law.


God wants people to suffer, and he wants bad things to happen that's why he created the forbidden fruit, and gave Satan power, knowing he would use it for evil. If God exist he is the greatest supervillain of all time. There is no way to prove he isn't. even if he exist. He created us for his entertainment he created problems so he could be entertained. Life would be like a tv show for him.

 

[Namelesa]

What most religious people say about God to me doesn't make sense as how can something all loving, all powerful and all knowing create this much suffering. To me it has to be a lie else he would have prevented all of our suffering from happening in the first place unless his way of loving someone is putting them through a slot machine to see whether they suffer or benefit from it. He is a manipulative sadist who has got us to go through this terrible experiment.

I am agnostic as I am not sure he exists and would prefer for him and an afterlife to not exist but I have been brought up in a Catholic family so it's hard to get the idea of God not existing out of my head.

 

[Tig]

Does not make sense for sure,
Blessed if you do, Danmed if you don't.
Wouldn't it be in nice to live in a place where all your needs where met, peaceful and serene, for eternity, rather than the other?
People been pondering these thoughts since beginning of time,
No one to date has come up with the right answer so far, it's part of the Human Condition.

One thing for certain though, Faith can heal.

 

[TheHolySword]

We cannot prove and we cannot disprove. I have always thought it takes as much faith to believe there is no god as it does to believe there is. The back and forth between both sides is pointless to me. What does it matter to anyone what I believe? What does it matter to me what you believe? We are born, we live, and we die. These are the ultimate truths. What we do in between is up to us. Religion is powerful. God can be healing, loving, nurturing to some just as he may be destructive to others. In the end, it is a personal affair. No one should have to justify their faith.

 

[Deleted member 94706]

We cannot prove and we cannot disprove. I have always thought it takes as much faith to believe there is no god as it does to believe there is. The back and forth between both sides is pointless to me. What does it matter to anyone what I believe? What does it matter to me what you believe? We are born, we live, and we die. These are the ultimate truths. What we do in between is up to us. Religion is powerful. God can be healing, loving, nurturing to some just as he may be destructive to others. In the end, it is a personal affair. No one should have to justify their faith.

no one has to justify their faith unless that person is persuading others to their religion

 

[davidtorez]

This concept of an immaterial, non spacial non temporal being is one of the most unfalsifiable concepts ever to be conceived by man. Even if the multiverse were proven to be real , that would not disprove this god concept . If the universe/cosmos stretches into the eternal past , they would still say "god created it" . So like any unfalsifiable concept, I just disregard it entirely as it is not anything worth worrying about .

 

[TheHolySword]

no one has to justify their faith unless that person is persuading others to their religion

Fair, but the only justification that matters is the person being persuaded. If it aligns with their views and their values, if it helps them to feel comfort and warmth, then it is justified.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

There is so much horrific suffering in this world. If there is a God, he's a sadist.

 

[pariah80]

"God" is just the figurative summation of the values and ethics of a given culture. Religion is the worship of a given culture. The true creator is in us, I believe. That's why I don't feel bad about catching the bus. I'm simply leaving a reality that doesn't suit nor please me.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

there is no god a human is just another animal like a monkey , fish , frog

why is pain so bad a billion times worse than you can imagine or remember ? why create that and all the suffering? most animals died by being eaten alive.

also how and why would a god or program or programmer constantly monitor the thoughts of 8 billion humans/apes at the same time? where is the power source for a soul?

it makes sense evolution would create immense pain for example if you step on a sharp stick or rock to move away from it and take it out , the pain as that stick pushes into a foot is beyond comprehension . to leave it in there would cause infection . the only hope is to tend and favor that wound take it out otherwise the human dies soon can't walk run fast etc. same thing for the pain of hunger to get the animal to find food or hunt and eat

only the animals that could suffer the worst pain would pass on their genes the others would die of injury or starvation faster , the worse the pain the harder the animal works to feed itself etc.

 

[CTB Dream]

god this nat lang wrd make cntrdt this ease see how all wrng ppl need knw math incmplt thrm etc v ese

 

[ijustwishtodie]

There is no god. It's just a human construct and nothing more

 

[Sutter]

Spackle.

Meaning always a purpose, a blanket of comfort. When something is outside the known reality tunnel humans ascribe a meaning to put that unknown in there. Religion is purpose and a code, it frames a more known thing than an unknown.

Logic is nice but emotion sets a person among the clouds or the deepest trench. The essence of what it is to experience life. Religion ties a lot of unknowns, human morality, a framework for a way of living with others, all these threads brought to bear in a faith and more. It's an answer, not a logical one, a desperately sought one, a survival mechanism for a species.

Ideology as well as love and the loss thereof has been philosophized and mass death ensued over. Not a stunning track record but then who of us is all bunnies and dandelion seeds on the wind. Humanity is the grace, the horror, and everything in between. In that sense a God has a truer ring to a creation.

Troublesome as it is, everything lives and dies even a faith. Think Zara fire faith is the oldest still around with less than a hundred followers. A faith needs believers and therein lies the rub. That's the crap that sets a honey badger off. Other animals came up with a religion work around. Never a care give while foraging for that walnut, trot along wary at a watering hole but drink. Move along with your world as they move with theirs. No morals, no right or wrong get busy with the moment of the day. Leave each to his/her own, if they find solace in a faith they will find it.

Grandfather was catholic, spent an amount of my early years with him. Could be said this life is like a home lived in for years. Pictures and knick knacks strewn around coasting with time over, up, and down walls and ceilings. Furniture moving in, tired and leaving of its own broken down nature. Children, relatives, friends, lovers, all marking the walls with all that a house holds. May remodel a home but whether new, remodeled, or old the wear will show. The holes and cracks are in the wall, don't always remember how or why, becomes a mystery. Any faith, any purpose, and meaning is a spackle job. Keeps the wall refreshed and the home being a home.

Even Peterpan wanted a home, probably used melted marshmallows to fix holes but spackle it still was. So if a honey badger spackles his home I'll let it be as I've spackling to do in my house and as any sane forest creature can attest to all hell breaks loose when an unwanted guest comes in.

 

[zulcywulcy]

There is no god. It's just a human construct and nothing more

Makes me feel more comfortable ctbing knowing i wont burn forever in some hell

 

[notreallybored]

What most religious people say about God to me doesn't make sense as how can something all loving, all powerful and all knowing create this much suffering. To me it has to be a lie else he would have prevented all of our suffering from happening in the first place unless his way of loving someone is putting them through a slot machine to see whether they suffer or benefit from it. He is a manipulative sadist who has got us to go through this terrible experiment.

I am agnostic as I am not sure he exists and would prefer for him and an afterlife to not exist but I have been brought up in a Catholic family so it's hard to get the idea of God not existing out of my head.

ב''ה,

Torah certainly has a different take on this.

 

[Namelesa]

ב''ה,

Torah certainly has a different take on this.

What does the Torah say? I don't know much about religions outside of Christianity.

 

[extremelytired1]

I believe we are creatures of light, having a physical experience, with all the pains and hardships that come along with the material world, and that it will be serene and peaceful afterwards. I will be leaving this world soon, because I feel like I must. I'd rather not list my overwhelming amount of problems. Only that I'll be gone soon. I have almost 0% hope. But I kindly ask you to remember any measure of hope, happiness, strength to pull yourselves out of this dark place. Things almost always get better. You deserve better than suicide. You are loved. God is love.

 

[Fritz]

"God" is just the figurative summation of the values and ethics of a given culture. Religion is the worship of a given culture. The true creator is in us, I believe. That's why I don't feel bad about catching the bus. I'm simply leaving a reality that doesn't suit nor please me.

That's got to be the best way that I've ever heard that viewpoint stated

 

[Death is my goal]

you just wanna believe that god doesn't exist

 

[moonlight gate]

science has advanced so quickly in the last 200 years. with theories like these, religions d'ont have much places left to hide. knowledge is indeed power.

Stellar nucleosynthesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[notreallybored]

What does the Torah say? I don't know much about religions outside of Christianity.

ב''ה,

Wow, what doesn't it say for a culture that naturally came with gematria so is founded in "information theory." The "Pi" movie (about the number with the Autechre soundtrack, not the Life of Pi with the tiger as also alludes to fear) is about that.

So from "our" perspective everything is in there somehow if you dig hard enough to come up with a reading or excuse, but more seriously.. pray to study for G-d's reasons or in a way that pleases G-d, then dig in and it's that 'first as fear' thing, Moshe maybe walking out with a migraine while observing leaves changing color for climate change or drought (burning bush) possibly a psychedelic acacia tree.. and more seriously, a lot of blessings wrestled for or stolen or traded (ancient systems of estate law/inheritance), and 'sometimes G-d just up and smites half of everyone to tell us something,' though the golden calf bit alludes to both prohibited idolatry and the eventual shift of the language from hieroglyphics to something that was easy to read and write without an art degree.

Let's just say that in Judaism G-d's personality has more than just one emotion (while Rome decided love sells like sex sells), as with an actual person, but generally beyond comprehension 'until we figure out what He meant by whatever He just did unless He did specifically tell anyone,' connecting the ancient practice to a sort of prototypical science (G-d proper makes the chaos that makes the weather and rain for the crops, not a statue anyone slaughters babies in).

I was being humorous, but a lot of the major episodes in Torah proper are a bit like 'and almost half of everyone lived to tell the tale,' so, Jewish humor.

 

[divinemistress36]

God in the Abrahamic religions sounds like a Sadist

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

There is certainly a large amount of baggage accompanying the Abrahamic versions of God that make it unpalatable for many people, including myself. But there are numerous other relgions that believe in God, plus beliefs that fall outside organized religions which are also worth considering.

For example the Sikh God is called Waheguru. This is not the same concept of a personal God as in Abrahamic religions, rather it's more of a Oneness force that permeates everything in our reality and beyond. Waheguru is the Great Architect that created the universe. Sikhs don't have stories about the creation of the universe like the Bible, instead they believe such questions are beyond human understanding. Sikhs believe in reincarnation, and Waheguru can liberate a soul from the cycle of death and rebirth.

Pantheism offers a different perspective, which is that God is the universe itself. It's certainly plausible that the universe as a whole has addtional properties beyond those of the individual parts, just like a human being has properties such as consciousness that are beyond the individual's body parts. Pantheism isn't an organized religion, and there are no prophets, so a lot of questions are left open. A pantheistic God may not care about people or good/bad at all, it could simply run time forward and watch as the universe evolves according to the laws of physics. Some people say Albert Einstein believed this, although he never said much about religion so I'd take that claim with a grain of salt.

I consider myself to be firmly agnostic. There is no scientific evidence for the existence of a God, so I'm not a believer. But science also can't rule out the existence of a God. Physics certainly leaves plenty of room for a God to exist. What created the big bang? Is the universe self-aware like people are? Why is the universe arranged such a way that complex and elegant molecules such as DNA and cells arose spontaneously on Earth?

 

[L'absent]

God is bullshit made up by humans. Unfortunately, human beings are animal misfits, permanently unhappy and frustrated. He doesn't accept his condition, he doesn't accept being nothing and above all he doesn't accept being a laughing stock of biology. Human beings are pathetic, ridiculous.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

 

[Darkover]

if there was a god it be a machine ai and this would be a simulation
but there is no god and this isn't a simulation

 

[inconstantprayer]

I do believe in "God".

I say "God" in quotations because I stand alone and am not part of any group of people, so I have come to "God" on my own terms, but I try not to push it on others because in this physical material human world we live in, words too often are not understood, and in truth "God" is so far beyond what we can describe with mere words. "God" is the most indescribable mysterious powerful "thing" in "existence". So powerful and overwhelmingly omnipotent that it is misunderstood to not even "exist" at all. It's almost impossible to describe something we can't even imagine, so it helps to have examples we can reach out to, like "Jesus" and "Buddha" and "Krishna" to help us have something to measure ourselves by, to go for, if that makes sense, in my humble opinion. Without something of an unobtainable perfection to set the bar to, we would have a harder time finding our way through this dark world. I believe that we are spiritual beings of light inside physical beings of darkness. I believe "God" does indeed truly LOVE each of us unconditionally, and has a personal relationship with each of us, and that we are linked/connected to "God" like an island is unknowingly connected to a continent.

I don't believe it is my place to speak for, or interpret the designs or thoughts or workings of "God", but I do this for myself all the time, always trying to listen better, to understand more keenly and guage what "He" is saying. "He" is always talking to us, as I said, I firmly believe.

The Bible is greatly misunderstood, and little read, too little read. We should all read it more than we do. The stories in it are actually very great. And the teachings also. It is a great work for the entire human race. It is timeless. We just need to read it more, slowly, and try to understand as much of it as we can, and all that we don't understand we need to be honest with ourselves about why we dont yet understand all those parts, and revisit them at later intervals in our lives. We as people change so much over time, and it will seem like someone rewrote the scriptures or something! Like they come alive for mature souls like you that aren't given to foolish short-term endeavors that bare only small fruit. You want the great harvest, and you want to be part of it, and to help take part in it. I'm not part of a religion unfortunately and don't take part of anything or any group of people, im totally alone in all this, so please don't take offense against "God" and against the bible, when they are actually lights to help us in our darkness, friends that are not understood well, and the shadow of fear always stands over that which is truly unknown to us, like "God".

Another reason it is selfish to just turn peopl away from these sources is because they are of great help to a great many of people, and especially people that would otherwise turn to these sources of help would instead shy away because of your opinion about them. Aside from the Bible, i have found the Bhagavad Gita to be of invaluable help to me personally in my life, a virtual life companion every day, and much more short and to the point than the Bible. Just wanted to add the Gita in there too, just in case nobody has heard of it. We can thank Ghandi for bringing the bhagavad gita out into the "modern era" from the "old world" because he was one of the only ones in his time to believe that you don't have to be of royal privilige to be able to or deserving of reading it, in fact the opposite is true, that everyone on earth not only is equally deserving of reading it, but equally NEEDS to be reminded constantly of what it has to say. Vyasa wrote the Gita, and it stands quite apart from the history and culture of the Bible, for those who may find the Bible hard to access for whatever reason. Wisdom and Truth come in many different forms always.

Not all of us is pathetic and etc as some of you above would like to think. We are all works in progress, and I believe there is a plan for our undying souls. I believe the physical things come and go, but the permanent spiritual things last much longer, and those are the things that most bring calm and true peace to our true higher self within, no matter what name you want to call it, from what language you want to speak to speak about it. It is kindof like how there is only really one mountain , and we are all just at different angles of it looking at it from a different angle, trying to make sense out of what we are seeing, using different words to describe the same thing. a tree for example.

thanks for listening.


"God" bless.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

"We don't know how to accept we're just a product of a chance, And less like Gods but more like plants who can't stop making up reasons we're alive…… Oh, you know we love to deny!"

There is so much horrific suffering in this world. If there is a God, he's a sadist.

I used to think this too.
Now, I don't believe in an "all-loving God" or a completely evil God, or universe. I think it's more somewhere along the lines of that the universe (or God) just doesn't give a fuck about us. Perhaps that's why life is full of both ups and downs. The universe just doesn't care one way or another.

 

[LukaParrot]

I think not even "god" (or whatever you may wanna call it) can interfere with physical plane.

A lot of bad things happens, suffering, killing but most of it is the result of people's choice in life. There will be a "price" to be paid, if not here, can be in next life.

Spiritism said we're overdue, this "project" called Earth, humans, didnt work as intended, it was supposed to bring the best of us, to make us grow our beings (you can call "souls") but the majority result is bad, greed and slavery rules this world, sometimes in a very disguised way.

"Sometimes" we heard about miracles, i wished very hard to whoever is in control to see a person one last time.... and that became a reality.
Dont blame "god" for not winning in lottery or for having cancer after smoking for 10/20 years, he cant realize things that were created by us (gambling), he cannot help you on a bad decision you took and lead to have a illness. Remember, bad luck is a part of life, we carry genetic inheritances that can make our passage here a very bad trip.

I dont believe in every detail of a religion, i think some parts are true, some parts are poetry, some are lies to control the masses.

 

[The_Hunter]

Not a stunning track record but then who of us is all bunnies and dandelion seeds on the wind.

Humanity is the grace, the horror, and everything in between.

Reminds me of this poem, titled "God is a Dandelion".

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God is the dandelion
Who can spawn a field of spring
What he births is an earthy Orion
To the kin who don't know a thing
But God hangs in a balance
Thinner than his stem
And the world is so enormous
A man's God can't even know him.

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By the time come spring, his young will have their own
And those in God's image play God with all they've grown
So when rabbits start to slaughter
The warm yellow glow
Of a thousand family members
The only flowers they know,
Their trust can live in the face of death.
That who can create
That who gives hope
That who gave every beautiful flower its petals
He is their lifeline.
So they would never believe
That God is not a fox
Ready to swallow the rabbits like how they always talked
Because God was ripped to death as a family savored his stalks.

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By the ignorant bliss of play, a child will blow on God
And on every seed he spreads, the hope will go on
But the likes of mere men don't seem to know
That the God who sculpted their beauty can be swallowed by a crow.

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