Help SWB sounds too good to be true

[Eudaimonic]

Honestly, thank YOU for having an open mind. Intoxicated was really not willing to accept the fact that I was right, and that was starting to make me a bit impatient, but oh well… I don't know if a mod closed the thread because they saw I was right or because they thought all that bickering was going nowhere.

I'm going to buy some helium for parties, fill up a balloon with it and just inhale the shit out of that underwater. (Inhaling from the balloon with my mouth and exhaling through the nose.

I see. Do you think that movements from N2O as recorded by Hewitt contraindicate doing it in a bathtub?

 

[PotentiallyWasted]

I see. Do you think that movements from N2O as recorded by Hewitt contraindicate doing it in a bathtub?

Nah. Besides I'm gonna do it in a tub that lets my upper body be fully submerged but my legs don't fit so if I do it facing down I literally have no way of leaving the water without using my arms strategically which being unconscious prohibits.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Nah. Besides I'm gonna do it in a tub that lets my upper body be fully submerged but my legs don't fit so if I do it facing down I literally have no way of leaving the water without using my arms strategically which being unconscious prohibits.

I see. Do you think it makes sense to practice inhaling the gas on land before attempting with it? I'm worried about brain damage from doing so.

 

[Intoxicated]

Intoxicated was really not willing to accept the fact that I was right

It's right that I can't accept the nonsense you said there. At least 2 users of this forum described failures with too short blackouts when trying the naive approach:

Has anyone considered drowning while hyperventilated?

Apparently kills you in 3-5 minutes without any pain or struggling. Recommended if you've got problems with SI. All you need is a water body you can submerge your head into after taking deep breaths for one or two minutes (or more if your first attempt doesn't work). Once you're dizzy you...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Is there any actual success stories using shallow water blackout method?

It seems promising for me, but it’s barely looked at. The only problems I can see is if I don’t pass out long enough and I wake up too early or maybe in the middle of drowning. I would love to find a way for me to pass myself out reliably, as it seems simply hyperventilating is too short term...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Their experiences fully match my theoretical expectations.

 

[_Gollum_]

I gave up on this method long ago but if you do plan on trying it, please document it on the forum

 

[Eudaimonic]

Paul Haynes writes in his paper "Increasing the probability of surviving loss of consciousness underwater when using a rebreather" that "Alternatively it is conceivable that under certain circumstances, the distressed diver may regain consciousness, potentially enabling self-rescue."

The paper states at the bottom, "Paul Haynes is a military and sport diving mixed-gas closed circuit rebreather Instructor Trainer with a 25-year military, occupational and technical diving background."

So, evidently not everyone agrees with DANSA that "One could even say that the loss of consciousness underwater (LOCU) equals death, unless the person is very lucky indeed."

 

[PotentiallyWasted]

Paul Haynes writes in his paper "Increasing the probability of surviving loss of consciousness underwater when using a rebreather" that "Alternatively it is conceivable that under certain circumstances, the distressed diver may regain consciousness, potentially enabling self-rescue."

The paper states at the bottom, "Paul Haynes is a military and sport diving mixed-gas closed circuit rebreather Instructor Trainer with a 25-year military, occupational and technical diving background."

So, evidently not everyone agrees with DANSA that "One could even say that the loss of consciousness underwater (LOCU) equals death, unless the person is very lucky indeed."

From what I've read in that article regaining consciousness underwater would require prior preparation from the diver meaning they would actively need to be willing to prevent LOCU in the first place.

Keyword: "CERTAIN" circumstances, which are having equipment prior to LOCU so that your airways are protected.

It's right that I can't accept the nonsense you said there. At least 2 users of this forum described failures with too short blackouts when trying the naive approach:

Has anyone considered drowning while hyperventilated?

Apparently kills you in 3-5 minutes without any pain or struggling. Recommended if you've got problems with SI. All you need is a water body you can submerge your head into after taking deep breaths for one or two minutes (or more if your first attempt doesn't work). Once you're dizzy you...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Is there any actual success stories using shallow water blackout method?

It seems promising for me, but it’s barely looked at. The only problems I can see is if I don’t pass out long enough and I wake up too early or maybe in the middle of drowning. I would love to find a way for me to pass myself out reliably, as it seems simply hyperventilating is too short term...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Their experiences fully match my theoretical expectations.

You could've just pulled out those posts at the beginning of the debate .

But anyways yeah if folks that have tried it say they wake up then I guess there will be no alternative than inhaling an inert gas underwater and passing out from that.

 

[Eudaimonic]

From what I've read in that article regaining consciousness underwater would require prior preparation from the diver meaning they would actively need to be willing to prevent LOCU in the first place.

Keyword: "CERTAIN" circumstances, which are having equipment prior to LOCU so that your airways are protected.

You could've just pulled out those posts at the beginning of the debate .

But anyways yeah if folks that have tried it say they wake up then I guess there will be no alternative than inhaling an inert gas underwater and passing out from that.

Maybe they failed because the state of syncope was not deep enough. Vasovagal syncope still seems quite fatal in water, according to all of the case studies I can find, but for some reason, doing it intentionally seems ineffective.

 

[Intoxicated]

Maybe they failed because the state of syncope was not deep enough. Vasovagal syncope still seems quite fatal in water, according to all of the case studies I can find, but for some reason, doing it intentionally seems ineffective.

How can you compare diving at depths of 8 - 18 meters to sumberging in a bathtub or shallow water near a beach? Don't you think that at significantly higher depths the risk of fatal drowning would be significantly higher as well?

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

From what I've read in that article regaining consciousness underwater would require prior preparation from the diver meaning they would actively need to be willing to prevent LOCU in the first place.

Keyword: "CERTAIN" circumstances, which are having equipment prior to LOCU so that your airways are protected.

You could've just pulled out those posts at the beginning of the debate .

But anyways yeah if folks that have tried it say they wake up then I guess there will be no alternative than inhaling an inert gas underwater and passing out from that.

What is the best method you can think of

 

[Eudaimonic]

How can you compare diving at depths of 8 - 18 meters to sumberging in a bathtub or shallow water near a beach? Don't you think that at significantly higher depths the risk of fatal drowning would be significantly higher as well?

Yes, of course. Higher, at least. By how much I couldn't say.

 

[PotentiallyWasted]

What is the best method you can think of

As previously mentioned, inhaling helium underwater whilst eliminating the possibility of resurfacing.

 

[SafferGuy]

I'm leaning towards using this method... I've passed out from Wim Hoff breathing before... now I just need to do it in the pool

 

[sanction]

Honestly, thank YOU for having an open mind. Intoxicated was really not willing to accept the fact that I was right, and that was starting to make me a bit impatient, but oh well… I don't know if a mod closed the thread because they saw I was right or because they thought all that bickering was going nowhere.

I'm going to buy some helium for parties, fill up a balloon with it and just inhale the shit out of that underwater. (Inhaling from the balloon with my mouth and exhaling through the nose.

May I ask how you plan to inhale the balloon "underwater"?

Did you mean you will inhale the balloon while your head is still above the water (but while lower body is already inside the water. Such as in the sitting or kneeling position while in the bath tub)

Then at that point you will start inhaling the balloon, until you become unconscious, so your head naturally falls into the water as well, and then drown?

I plan to use similar method as well, but probably inhale N20 while at the river, as I don't have a bath tub

 

[PotentiallyWasted]

Did you mean you will inhale the balloon while your head is still above the water (but while lower body is already inside the water. Such as in the sitting or kneeling position while in the bath tub)

Then at that point you will start inhaling the balloon, until you become unconscious, so your head naturally falls into the water as well, and then drown?

Precisely