Discussion structure of life itself

[ummagumma]

im not a fan of life. i dont really like the structure of our universe

yeah, there are many good things in life. and you can be good and do good stuff. but the very idea of good implies the existence of bad. like, good is not good for nothing, it is good only against the bad. and so it is with everything. for example, saving a stray cat is good. but 1) he was stray before that. it's bad. 2) and how many such strays will not be saved? this is also bad

and what to do with this? just try to close your eyes and pretend not to see?

 

[overmorrow]

there is no good or bad, it's attributes you give those elements, i can think killing is good, because there is no logical rule, that says it's not.

morals don't exist

 

[soul2realm]

just do what you can and hope everything works out. Because remember this is the same world where we so desperately need kindness, yet we have a saying that no good deed goes unpunished.

 

[ummagumma]

there is no good or bad, it's attributes you give those elements, i can think killing is good, because there is no logical rule, that says it's not.

morals don't exist

but you can clearly tell if something is good or bad. you can use one simple golden rule: do not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated. so do not kill anyone, because you probably dont want to be killed (well, hahaha, not on this site, but you get what i mean). you can kill someone in self defence, people kill animals for food, etc - this is different. but to kill for the sake of killing is clearly bad

 

[venerated-vader]

you can kill someone in self defence, people kill animals for food, etc - this is different. but to kill for the sake of killing is clearly bad

'good' and 'evil aren't absolutes. People base their sense of morality on their culture and their own values. Some people think it's evil / bad / not-good to cook and eat meat because animals had to die to make that food. Some people think it's good, because they like said food and it makes them happy, and cooking a meal for their family / friends / loved ones is a labor of love. It's all about perspective.

The truth is, the world is a senseless place based on factors we can't foresee. People die of preventable diseases despite having potential access to care ,simply because it's too expensive. Children die of cancer, and they've done nothing wrong. Rich companies can pollute foreign towns and suffer zero consequences. Good people can do good things, and earn all the recognition they deserve. It's absurdity in a nutshell. That's what I think, anyway.

 

[ummagumma]

'good' and 'evil aren't absolutes. People base their sense of morality on their culture and their own values. Some people think it's evil / bad / not-good to cook and eat meat because animals had to die to make that food. Some people think it's good, because they like said food and it makes them happy, and cooking a meal for their family / friends / loved ones is a labor of love. It's all about perspective.

The truth is, the world is a senseless place based on factors we can't foresee. People die of preventable diseases despite having potential access to care ,simply because it's too expensive. Children die of cancer, and they've done nothing wrong. Rich companies can pollute foreign towns and suffer zero consequences. Good people can do good things, and earn all the recognition they deserve. It's absurdity in a nutshell. That's what I think, anyway.

haha, your quotation contains my stupid spelling mistake. i cringe sorry, english is not my native language

yes, people base their morality on their culture and values. its all about perspective. but all of cultures and values agree on one thing, i repeat: "do not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated". its an universal golden rule that can be applied to any culture

it is not easy to give an unambiguous assessment of some actions. but its pretty obvious that some actions are universally evil. like killing for the sake of killing (i mean not for food or self defence)

 

[venerated-vader]

haha, your quotation contains my stupid spelling mistake. i cringe sorry, english is not my native language

yes, people base their morality on their culture and values. its all about perspective. but all of cultures and values agree on one thing, i repeat: "do not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated". its an universal golden rule that can be applied to any culture

it is not easy to give an unambiguous assessment of some actions. but its pretty obvious that some actions are universally evil. like killing for the sake of killing (i mean not for food or self defence)

Naw don't worry about it (I edited it out for ya ). I don't speak any other languages so you're already 10 steps ahead of me lol

Also, killing for the sake of killing has been considered an honorable duty in some societies. And execution is killing for the sake of killing-- people don't NEED to die for their crimes. It's not for food, not self-defense, and justice can be served in ways that don't end in the death. And it can be done in terrible ways, where the person who did the crime suffers horrifically. Everyone would agree that it's inhumane to do something like that, but some would say the 'lesser' of the two evils is killing them. Others would say executing someone who's done something unforgivable is a net positive on the world.

Some people think suicide is morally wrong, but does everyone feel that way? And why do they feel that way? Is it because they think it's cowardly, cruel to foist that grief on the people who loved us? Some might say that suicide is, itself, a universal evil. Suffering is wrong and bad and evil, but if it's for the sake of living for others, is it better or worse to let them rest?

The golden rule is meant to foster empathy: we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the people around us to build a healthy civilization, otherwise everyone's out to 'get what they want' and hurting each other in the process. But some might say empathizing with certain individuals (violent criminals) is wrong.

Anyway I guess my point is that it's all up to interpretation and has been across the whole of human existence. For specific cultures, these ARE universal truths. But at the end of the day, these truths are only true for the people who believe they're true. And I believe that being able to make that distinction is the difference between wondering 'why is this happening, why is the world like this, why why why' and understanding that 'there is no concrete morality, therefore this is happening because of identifiable factors that have nothing to do with how I feel about it'. And that's how I stop myself from having existential crises every day ... lol

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, to me existence will always be an abomination and a terrible mistake that just causes endless amounts of cruelty, harm and suffering torturing existing beings all for the sake of it, to me existence itself is the true problem, there's just so much evil in existing, I'll always see the existence of life as the most terrible, devastating tragedy.