SN seller Kenneth Law pleads guilty

[Nolongerlive]

I just don't quite get it, when you ordered from SN sellers like MIC, DSL or even earlier SDT , did they actually asked how old are you , are you using it for cooking or suicide?

I had ordered from two sellers , damn it, none of them asked me anything, all they cared is whether the payment was successful. how uncaring those sellers were.

The most funny thing is, i was actually thankful that some evil guy willing to sell me SN ( though his purpose is to profit ).

How i wish some evil person willing to take the risk to sell N ( the real stuff) to me.

 

[golfvictor]

The morality most dominant anymore is altruism (self-sacrifice) so it's not surprising that the way they go about this is that the "victims" who chose to end their own life, which they own the right to, is treated as a crime, which providing the goods to do so is seen as assisting in a crime.

 

[EternalShore]

yeahhh, I rather hate how they tried to portray them as happy and all that prior to their passing~ >_< if they chose to do so, something was clearly going wrong, whether the parents knew or not~ :( and well, the world is getting increasingly bad, so even that might do it~ >_<

anyways, yeesh, turns out that SN prices were always so scammy, wow~ >_< It's good that people are willing to sell people the purest substances for proper meat curing (rather than getting the crummy stuff), but the prices are just so aaaaa~ >_<

 

[fadedghost]

It is actually disgusting that you're telling grieving parents to take responsibility for their child's suicide. Depression is an illness, not a parenting failure, they aren't psychic they can't tell what their child is going through most of time

I disagree, sometimes it is a parenting failure. Especially when parents are religious and the child is LGBT and the parents homophobic religious views impacts their child's self-esteem pre-suicide or if the parents weren't living a healthy life during pregnancy (ie using legal drugs like caffeine or alcohol or using illegal drugs or eating unhealthy processed garbage) and then the kid is born different in ways that make life harder or if the parents were physically or sexually abusive.

The truth is many people who are commit suicide are LGBT people who grow up in religious judgmental households or people who are different due to poor prenatal health. Both are forms of abuse: one pollutes a child's mind with garbage (aka religion), one pollutes a child's body with actual poison. And people who have physically or sexually abusive parents usually grow up to be traumatized and damaged with poor mental health outcomes.

 

[Sharly]

I don't know man, I simply think that banning all the ways of easily CTB isn't good. It pushes a lot of us to take more painful ways to exit or ways that endanger or harm others.

 

[thefirstluminary]

I disagree, sometimes it is a parenting failure. Especially when parents are religious and the child is LGBT and the parents homophobic religious views impacts their child's self-esteem pre-suicide or if the parents weren't living a healthy life during pregnancy (ie using legal drugs like caffeine or alcohol or using illegal drugs or eating unhealthy processed garbage) and then the kid is born different in ways that make life harder or if the parents were physically or sexually abusive.

The truth is many people who are commit suicide are LGBT people who grow up in religious judgmental households or people who are different due to poor prenatal health. Both are forms of abuse: one pollutes a child's mind with garbage (aka religion), one pollutes a child's body with actual poison. And people who have physically or sexually abusive parents usually grow up to be traumatized and damaged with poor mental health outcomes.

yeah but that's not always the case not everyone's family is like that some have supportive parents and still end up depressed or wanting to end their lives I just pointed out that's it's not nice to assume what someone's family did to him that won't do the family any justice

 

[fadedghost]

yeah but that's not always the case not everyone's family is like that some have supportive parents and still end up depressed or wanting to end their lives I just pointed out that's it's not nice to assume what someone's family did to him that won't do the family any justice

but I'm not making an assumption. I am saying "sometimes." We can't know the cause of the situation, but we certainly know that a person who ends their life is unhappy, and to say otherwise is certainly denial. Many LGBT people who commit suicide after growing up in religious homes are not out to their parents, allowing parents to keep the illusion that they were perfect parents even after the suicide occurs. Even if his family did nothing to him and he was just born neurodivergent and didn't like life, someone who contacts Kenneth Law is not having a fun time living. It's not like "Yep, things were going so well, and then Kenneth Law came around..."

 

[thefirstluminary]

but I'm not making an assumption. I am saying "sometimes." We can't know the cause of the situation, but we certainly know that a person who ends their life is unhappy, and to say otherwise is certainly denial. Many LGBT people who commit suicide after growing up in religious homes are not out to their parents, allowing parents to keep the illusion that they were perfect parents even after the suicide occurs. Even if his family did nothing to him and he was just born neurodivergent and didn't like life, someone who contacts Kenneth Law is not having a fun time living. It's not like "Yep, things were going so well, and then Kenneth Law came around..."

it is what it is it's a fault on side of the person for him not opening up about his feelings I choose not to open up about anything to anyone close to me in real life and I'm suffering the consequences it's not easy and you can't just expect people to care and know what you think about parents don't read minds same with everyone else if you don't go out of your way to be direct and front about what you are feeling then ggs I guess

 

[Bybye]

Very easy to blame the seller of SN and ignore the big picture. This is why it's not even worth it to consider staying alive, nothing will ever get better.

Enjoy your shithole, pro-lifers.

 

[thefirstluminary]

Very easy to blame the seller of SN and ignore the big picture. This is why it's not even worth it to consider staying alive, nothing will ever get better.

Enjoy your shithole, pro-lifers.

isn't him selling Sn to vulnerable people contributes to them ending their lives though? many don't find a way to end their life properly so they just either drop the whole idea or stuck being alive cause most methods have high lethality with a chance of brain damage so him providing Sn is not nice

 

[Captive_Mind515]

All the comments from family members, acting like law was the sole reason that any of these people ended their lives… sigh…

Such head in the sand rubbish. They're so fcuking clueless.

It's this sort of mentality that leads to suicidal people feeling completely isolated and even more alone. They know most of their family and friends are just going to gaslight them into sticking around no matter how bad their suffering is… and then act all surprised when they quietly slip away without telling anyone.

 

[Bybye]

isn't him selling Sn to vulnerable people contributes to them ending their lives though? many don't find a way to end their life properly so they just either drop the whole idea or stuck being alive cause most methods have high lethality with a chance of brain damage so him providing Sn is not nice

They waited for that SN, the package didn't arrive the second they ordered it. That proves the kind of determination that won't discourage most people, that proves it wasn't an impulsive decision as the popular narrative would want to make us believe. They probably would've gone ahead with something else if the problem making them want to leave continued unresolved.

Plus, what's so nice about banning every method until only the most gruesome and painful ones remain? What's so nice about forcing people to stay in a world they don't want to be a part of? A world that doesn't make any effort to make it worth staying?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Betrayed is a strong word, lmao. What he was doing wasn't right. It wasn't ethical, and it definitely wasn't legal

And it's right/ethical to leave suffering people with no peaceful way out of this life? It's essentially illegal to arrange a peaceful exit from this life.

Govt/society is a much bigger criminal than Kenneth Law.

I find it strange that people highlight the potential selling of SN to minors. But it's apparently perfectly fine to impose life on minors - billions of them. And trap them here for decades.

Life is a million times more harmful than SN ever could be.

Gold standard ethics.

 

[thefirstluminary]

They waited for that SN, the package didn't arrive the second they ordered it. That proves the kind of determination that won't discourage most people, that proves it wasn't an impulsive decision as the popular narrative would want to make us believe. They probably would've gone ahead with something else if the problem making them want to leave continued unresolved.

Plus, what's so nice about banning every method until only the most gruesome and painful ones remain? What's so nice about forcing people to stay in a world they don't want to be a part of? A world that doesn't make any effort to make it worth staying?

It's grim, but I don't want people to kill themselves. I hate the idea of them dying, even if they think it's just going to be eternal suffering or whatever. I wish they would just stick around. Aren't we all suffering? We're all going to die at some point anyway

And it's right/ethical to leave suffering people with no peaceful way out of this life? It's essentially illegal to arrange a peaceful exit from this life.

yes

 

[Captive_Mind515]

yes

wow!

 

[thefirstluminary]

@Captive_Mind515
That is a twisted way to look at the world you know selling lethal substances to vulnerable people isn't freedom or ethical it's predation. We should be focused on making life livable and offering support, not handing out exits to people who are in crisis exploiting that pain is not moral

 

[Bybye]

Aren't we all suffering? We're all going to die at some point anyway

Not to the same degree, and as long as we're sound of mind enough to make that decision it should be up to us to decide when we get to die.

I don't want to endure 18 or so more years of increassing bullshit just to die of cancer, drowning in my own lung fluids for the last few years of my life.
This world has decided I can only access an enjoyable life so long as I can provide very specific labour, and I have decided I don't want to continue struggling in a world that would let me go hungry and homeless if I don't fit that very specific set of skills. Therefore, the world can go fuck itself I'd rather be a corpse.

 

[thefirstluminary]

Not to the same degree, and as long as we're sound of mind enough to make that decision it should be up to us to decide when we get to die.

I don't want to endure 18 or so more years of increassing bullshit just to die of cancer, drowning in my own lung fluids for the last few years of my life.
This world has decided I can only access an enjoyable life so long as I can provide very specific labour, and I have decided I don't want to continue struggling in a world that would let me go hungry and homeless if I don't fit that very specific set of skills. Therefore, the world can go fuck itself I'd rather be a corpse.

I hear you on the struggle with labor and survival, but why do you assume that's the only way to exist? You're convincing yourself that if you can't fit that specific capitalist bs, you're doomed. That's not true. There are ways to live and find stability outside of that grind. You're writing off decades of potential time just because the current system sucks

 

[Captive_Mind515]

@Captive_Mind515
That is a twisted way to look at the world you know selling lethal substances to vulnerable people isn't freedom or ethical it's predation. We should be focused on making life livable and offering support, not handing out exits to people who are in crisis exploiting that pain is not moral

How do YOU know they are all "in crisis" though? It's an assumption, just like your assumption that predation is driving the act.

Many people have thought long and hard about their decision to leave, and they know what they want. This life was imposed on us, and we shouldn't have to make a decision between staying and being miserable or facing uncertain and/or painful ways out.

The only thing that is victimising me, is this shitty life/society… not any person or entity that might supply me the tools or knowledge to get out safely and peacefully.

 

[silverbell]

Aren't we all suffering? We're all going to die at some point anyway

Then you should stick around if that's what you want. Not everyone has the mental capability to handle suffering. And others don't get to decide how much you have to suffer until you are eligible for suicide.

 

[Bybye]

I hear you on the struggle with labor and survival, but why do you assume that's the only way to exist? You're convincing yourself that if you can't fit that specific capitalist bs, you're doomed. That's not true. There are ways to live and find stability outside of that grind. You're writing off decades of potential time just because the current system sucks

I'm nearly 40, I'm not writing anything off. I've been waiting long enough with nothing making life worth a damn, I'm too old for the "it could get better" bullshit.
A fair society would take a look at my life's history and offer me assisted suicide without much more than a psychologist consultation to make sure I'm sound of mind. But since we don't have a fair society we can only turn to people selling the next best thing. To see this guy punished so harshly in hopes we'll all stay in this shithole is nothing more than an extra reason to leave.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

It's grim, but I don't want people to kill themselves. I hate the idea of them dying, even if they think it's just going to be eternal suffering or whatever. I wish they would just stick around. Aren't we all suffering? We're all going to die at some point anyway

You realise this is a selfish perspective, right?

YOU don't want people to kill themselves. YOU hate the idea of them dying.

It's all about you and what feels right to you. Not about the suffering person. And you're not walking in their shoes. The classic pro-life mindset.

And you have the nerve to throw around terms like "morals" and "ethics" and look down on others who don't see it your way…

 

[angelhopes]

Those parents would blame anything but themselves. Someone so desparate to ctb will always find a way to do it and the fact that these kids found a way into this site and bought SN says a lot.

Like im going through so much stuff right now and if things gets desperate I wouldn't waste a time buying SN or anything to CTB.

 

[thefirstluminary]

How do YOU know they are all "in crisis" though? It's an assumption, just like your assumption that predation is driving the act.

Many people have thought long and hard about their decision to leave, and they know what they want. This life was imposed on us, and we shouldn't have to make a decision between staying and being miserable or facing uncertain and/or painful ways out.

The only thing that is victimising me, is this shitty life/society… not any person or entity that might supply me the tools or knowledge to get out safely and peacefully.

there is nothing safe about death and you're kidding yourself if you think he cares about your freedom he found a demographic of desperate people and monetized them that is the definition of predation
Also just because someone has thought about it for a long time doesn't mean they aren't in crisis chronic hopelessness is still a crisis you can dress it up as a rational decision, but at the end of the day, he is exploiting vulnerable people who are in pain and offering them zero support other than a way out

Then you should stick around if that's what you want. Not everyone has the mental capability to handle suffering. And others don't get to decide how much you have to suffer until you are eligible for suicide.

..... I'm not sticking around

I'm nearly 40, I'm not writing anything off. I've been waiting long enough with nothing making life worth a damn, I'm too old for the "it could get better" bullshit.
A fair society would take a look at my life's history and offer me assisted suicide without much more than a psychologist consultation to make sure I'm sound of mind. But since we don't have a fair society we can only turn to people selling the next best thing. To see this guy punished so harshly in hopes we'll all stay in this shithole is nothing more than an extra reason to leave.

I'm sorry I hear that you are in a lot of pain and feel like you've run out of time. I don't agree that selling poison is the answer, but I'm not going to argue your pain away. I just hope you find some peace eventually, whether you stay or go

You realise this is a selfish perspective, right?

YOU don't want people to kill themselves. YOU hate the idea of them dying.

It's all about you and what feels right to you. Not about the suffering person. And you're not walking in their shoes. The classic pro-life mindset.

And you have the nerve to throw around terms like "morals" and "ethics" and look down on others who don't see it your way…

You can't come back from death. I'd rather force someone to stay alive for a possibility of happiness than let them make a permanent decision based on pain that might pass. Call caring selfish if it helps you sleep at night, but don't forget suicide is considered selfish too, right?
So why can't the pro-lifers be selfish? Why can't they drag you in and make you live? They suffer too probably just as much as you and they still endure it. You chose the easy way out. I don't think someone who loved you would like the fact that you want to ctb. They'd rather do anything to keep you, even if it means forcing you to be alive. If you're selfish, they can be selfish too.
And yes, I admit it: I'm a hypocrite, an asshole, a horrible human being, and a selfish cunt. But is it really such a bad idea to just want humans to stick around? To not end their lives and actually get fixed? What if at some point life gets better? What if mental health support gets better, new drugs get made, or new methods help people out? Just handing out free exits is horrible. Why not fix the system? Why does ctb always have to be the answer?

 

[silverbell]

So why can't the pro-lifers be selfish? Why can't they drag you in and make you live? They suffer too probably just as much as you and they still endure it. You chose the easy way out. I don't think someone who loved you would like the fact that you want to ctb. They'd rather do anything to keep you, even if it means forcing you to be alive.

Them being selfish is worse because it's basically coercion. They are free to choose the easy way out too.

 

[thefirstluminary]

Them being selfish is worse because it's basically coercion. They are free to choose the easy way out too.

 

[Dot]

..... I'm not sticking around

Unlss a carng persn prevnts u & kps u alve untl th/ end of ur naturl lfe bcse thy wnt othr ppl t/ sty alve


Sasu livs in thse gry areas bcse imo = pssble t/ belive tht ppl hve th/ rght t/ d/ wht thy wnt wth thr own lves whle also thnkng tht KL ws a predtry & opportunstc dck

& also hpe & wnt othr ppl t/ gt bettr & liv a gd lfe & dserve opprtunties & spport whle also realsng tht = nt tht simpl fr evry1 -- & tht thse wh/ r dne wth lfe d/ nt dserve t/ end in violnce & isolatn

 

[thefirstluminary]

Unlss a carng persn prevnts u & kps u alve untl th/ end of ur naturl lfe bcse thy wnt othr ppl t/ sty alve


Sasu livs in thse gry areas bcse imo = pssble t/ belive tht ppl hve th/ rght t/ d/ wht thy wnt wth thr own lves whle also thnkng tht KL ws a predtry & opportunstc dck

& also hpe & wnt othr ppl t/ gt bettr & liv a gd lfe & dserve opprtunties & spport whle also realsng tht = nt tht simpl fr evry1 -- & tht thse wh/ r dne wth lfe d/ nt dserve t/ end in violnce & isolatn

I'm sorry but I'm not reading that

 

[rainwillneverstop]

Unlss a carng persn prevnts u & kps u alve untl th/ end of ur naturl lfe bcse thy wnt othr ppl t/ sty alve


Sasu livs in thse gry areas bcse imo = pssble t/ belive tht ppl hve th/ rght t/ d/ wht thy wnt wth thr own lves whle also thnkng tht KL ws a predtry & opportunstc dck

& also hpe & wnt othr ppl t/ gt bettr & liv a gd lfe & dserve opprtunties & spport whle also realsng tht = nt tht simpl fr evry1 -- & tht thse wh/ r dne wth lfe d/ nt dserve t/ end in violnce & isolatn

'translation'

Unless a caring person prevents you and keeps you alive, until the very end of your natural life because they want other people to stay alive.

SaSu lives in these gray areas because imo, it's possible to believe that people have the right to do what they want with their own lives, while also thinking that KL was a predatory and opportunistic dick.

And also hope and want other people to get better, life a good life, deserve opportunities and support while also realizing that it's not that simple for everyone. And that those who are done with life do not deserve to end in violence and isolation.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

there is nothing safe about death and you're kidding yourself if you think he cares about your freedom he found a demographic of desperate people and monetized them that is the definition of predation
Also just because someone has thought about it for a long time doesn't mean they aren't in crisis chronic hopelessness is still a crisis you can dress it up as a rational decision, but at the end of the day, he is exploiting vulnerable people who are in pain and offering them zero support other than a way out

Everything about being dead is safe. Nothing can hurt you when you're dead, literally 1,000's of things can (and do) hurt you when you're alive.

Why would I care what his position is on the subject of suicide? It makes no difference to me as a customer who wants his product. He's not forcing me to ingest the substance. It's still my choice to die, whether he sells it to me or the local diy store sells me a rope and a ladder.

And many people's decision to leave this life, is a rational decision. Trying to paint suicidal people as being irrational and not thinking clearly, is the classic strategy from pro-lifers to give them the excuse to deny people autonomy over their own body/life. It's a BS tired worn out strategy that everyone sees through at this point…

You can't come back from death. I'd rather force someone to stay alive for a possibility of happiness than let them make a permanent decision based on pain that might pass. Call caring selfish if it helps you sleep at night, but don't forget suicide is considered selfish too, right?
So why can't the pro-lifers be selfish? Why can't they drag you in and make you live? They suffer too probably just as much as you and they still endure it. You chose the easy way out. I don't think someone who loved you would like the fact that you want to ctb. They'd rather do anything to keep you, even if it means forcing you to be alive. If you're selfish, they can be selfish too.
And yes, I admit it: I'm a hypocrite, an asshole, a horrible human being, and a selfish cunt. But is it really such a bad idea to just want humans to stick around? To not end their lives and actually get fixed? What if at some point life gets better? What if mental health support gets better, new drugs get made, or new methods help people out? Just handing out free exits is horrible. Why not fix the system? Why does ctb always have to be the answer?

But nobody needs to come back from death… lol.. dead people have no "needs". You only need happiness, because unhappiness exists. But dead people do not need either of them.

Even if you want to describe suicide as selfish, it's still someone making a personal choice about their own existence. It's much more selfish to force people into existence, and then tell them they're not allowed to leave even if they're miserable or in terrible pain. And to also make that decision about millions of people, whom you've never even met or never experienced their life or endured any of their pain or suffering. You can't just assume everyone's suffering is the same… it clearly isn't.

Suicide doesn't always have to be the answer. But it also shouldn't be a forbidden option. And there shouldn't be gatekeepers like you, who want to decide for others what is the right choice in their life…

If you want to help people… then go ahead… help… but don't demand that people should wait around for some undefinable period of time hoping you or someone else can pull a magic silver bullet out of your ass and fix all of their problems for them.

All because YOU "don't like" people killing themselves.

Frankly, who gives a flying fuck about likes and dislikes. What matters is the suffering people of this world, and having the option to gracefully exit when that suffering becomes too much…