Discussion Should there be an age limit for CTB?

[ronigail9]

Absolutely not
my now is all I ever have
And I have a right to end it
Because no one else is in my experience

 

[Amumu]

I acknowledge the fact that 50% of people in this thread think there should have no limit is freaky.

Then why not give alcohol or heroin to a kid?
After all, nobody can experience what they feel, and everyone should have the right to have some pleasure in life.
There is a reason why the majority is at 18, why you can't buy guns in the US before 21, why you can't become
a senator in most countries before 24. Because according to the law, before 18, you don't have free will !

Now if you're completely pro-choice, then putting no limit sounds quite logical.
But is that what we really want?

Like, could someone doing a psychotic crisis ctb too?

 

[Gnip]

I acknowledge the fact that 50% of people in this thread think there should have no limit is freaky.

Then why not give alcohol or heroin to a kid?
After all, nobody can experience what they feel, and everyone should have the right to have some pleasure in life.
There is a reason why the majority is at 18, why you can't buy guns in the US before 21, why you can't become
a senator in most countries before 24. Because according to the law, before 18, you don't have free will !

Now if you're completely pro-choice, then putting no limit sounds quite logical.
But is that what we really want?

Like, could someone doing a psychotic crisis ctb too?

The law is wrong. According to the law in Nazi Germany, Jews were not human, and before the Emancipation Proclamation in the United States, slaves were not fully human either.

People who create and pass these age of majority laws all have this in common. They are all vastly more stupid, ignorant and corrupt than the rest of humanity.

Many people have free will at age 12 or even earlier, while many with diminished capacity never develop free will, no matter how experienced or old they get. Any law by stupid and ignorant or corrupt humans which arbitrarily imposes a "one size fits all" age that purports to define "free will" is always invariably wrong and inherently, fatally flawed.

 

[Niftypoint124]

The law is wrong. According to the law in Nazi Germany, Jews were not human, and before the Emancipation Proclamation in the United States, slaves were not fully human either.

People who create and pass these age of majority laws all have this in common. They are all vastly more stupid, ignorant and corrupt than the rest of humanity.

Many people have free will at age 12 or even earlier, while many with diminished capacity never develop free will, no matter how experienced or old they get. Any law by stupid and ignorant or corrupt humans which arbitrarily imposes a "one size fits all" age that purports to define "free will" is always invariably wrong and inherently, fatally flawed.

And, of course, straight to the "JUST LIKE THE NAZIS" argument. *rolls eyes*

 

[Gnip]

And, of course, straight to the "JUST LIKE THE NAZIS" argument. *rolls eyes*

My point is that laws in the form of orders to citizens are completely wrong far more often than not, and the Nazis provide self evident still living examples most everybody is familiar with, nothing remote or obscure. I have never met a former slave, or Christian who was persecuted by the Romans, but I have met a number of Holocaust survivors who showed me their concentration camp tattoos.

I am not a defender of the law or apologist for the system, but a registered Libertarian. No one has the right to tell me how to live my personal life, let alone whether or not I even have the obligation to live or die.

 

[Nature_is_God]

There are differences in the age of consent depending on the location but since I'm American I think 18 should be the age where you should be able to purchase Nembutal or get euthanized (in my dream society). Younger people's feelings shouldn't be dismissed but at 18, a person has full control over their body which includes suicide, sex, intake of drugs, etc.

 

[Amumu]

The law is wrong. According to the law in Nazi Germany, Jews were not human, and before the Emancipation Proclamation in the United States, slaves were not fully human either.

People who create and pass these age of majority laws all have this in common. They are all vastly more stupid, ignorant and corrupt than the rest of humanity.

Many people have free will at age 12 or even earlier, while many with diminished capacity never develop free will, no matter how experienced or old they get. Any law by stupid and ignorant or corrupt humans which arbitrarily imposes a "one size fits all" age that purports to define "free will" is always invariably wrong and inherently, fatally flawed.

Well you seem to put a limit yourself at 12, right? If I'm not mistaken
Should you be considered a Nazi for that?

If you say that you have free will at 12, then... MAPS. Just saying.

Or do you mean you should have an exam to see if you have free will?

Believe me, I love libertarian values, but to a certain extent only.

I don't mean to be rude, but comparing minors with slaves and Jews under the Shoah is really disrespectful for the latter.

 

[justpeachy]

It wouldn't. I'm just looking for personal opinions. Also I love your profile picture, Martyrs, right?

I agree. Of course, I think that a girl in grade 7 wanting to kill herself because her boyfriend broke up with her is ridiculous but I'm talking more about abusive homes, trauma, or just being ugly in appearance. It's a fact that prettier people get it easier in life. I feel like someone shouldn't have to endure that pain all their life.

Yeah but what you look like in grade 7 is absolutely no indication of what you will look like in college. I know so many people who were gorgeous in middle school then as adults ummm not so much, or vice versa. Ugly ducklings that were gorgeous and become models or something equal in uni. So suiciding because you feel you are ugly as a teen is a horrible idea imo. I think teens should definitely be more careful and mindful if they make this choice, this includes up to age 25 as it's science that your brain isn't fully developed leading to irrational choices and being very impulsive.

 

[Aap]

While perhaps impossible to give concrete facts that would satisfy you, I think you would be hard pressed to argue that stunningly attractive individual has a harder time in general in social interactions, job promotions, relationships, etc than a stunningly unattractive individual.

 

[AutoTap]

I think that they should be at least 13. But even then some situations are so bad.

 

[imdone1]

Around 24-ish. I think that's around the age the brain stops developing. Also, most people will have gone through plenty of life experience by that point (school, uni, work life, etc) which can rule out most circumstantial stuff.

Lots of people who seem to have irrepairably horrible lives are going through very circumstantial issues. There are lots of kids who feel suicidal while in high school due to a toxic home life or school bullying, move away for college, and then feel happier about their lives and are no longer suicidal. Some people don't start to thrive until they enter the workforce as full-time workers.

I've been suicidal for a long time. I'm glad I didn't ctb earlier, because I seriously wasn't being rational when I first started having these feelings. And I've since had lots of happy times. I still plan to ctb eventually, but I know I am making this decision from a more logical place of mind now.

also, as for the ugliness thing, that's actually one of the main reasons I wanted to ctb when I was young. Now that I'm an adult and have control over what I eat, wear, put on my face, etc, I realized that looks are really not everything. Usually a lot of the issues that people attribute to "being ugly" are actually more reflective of mental illness stigma. Depressed, anxious, generally unstable people just don't give good vibes, and that can make it very difficult to connect with others, especially if your symptoms include lack of self-awareness or lack of hygiene. But just having a funny face isn't a one-way ticket to being a homeless bum. Similarly, being gorgeus doesn't keep you from having a unpleasant and tumultuous life.

The second part of this was invalidating. If someone has a shitty childhood and/or a horrible school experience, it doesn't mean they should "wait it out" in order to make a more "rational" decision. These issues most times cause very deep and long-lasting damage, and just because you may eventually get out of the situation, doesn't mean you'll immediately be a-ok. You may still want to CTB, and just because that wasn't the case for you, doesn't mean that that's the case for others. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're being irrational. Pain is pain and what pushes people to CTB is valid in all situations.

 

[Buffy5120]

The second part of this was invalidating. If someone has a shitty childhood and/or a horrible school experience, it doesn't mean they should "wait it out" in order to make a more "rational" decision. These issues most times cause very deep and long-lasting damage, and just because you may eventually get out of the situation, doesn't mean you'll immediately be a-ok. You may still want to CTB, and just because that wasn't the case for you, doesn't mean that that's the case for others. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're being irrational. Pain is pain and what pushes people to CTB is valid in all situations.

Thank you! And i thought people in this thread would understand that suffering doesn't discriminate no matter what age like I said there is technology to prove these kids are really suffering so we can distinguish which child to take more seriously versus kids who want to ctb because its a "trend" or they just "broke up with their boyfriend". Unfortunately spect and fmri scans are pricey and the vitamins and supplements as well. Amen clinics really shocked me when they did my scan and found out all my problems and it was accurate because i have been abused and traumatized for a very long time they saw the "diamond pattern" on my scan and depression anxiety which show holes in the brain they also have helped some people recover if it were me I would help so many people on here get access to the spect scan and obviously it would prove that your reasoning for ctb if justifiable because the scan shows that your illness is too severe to turn around

 

[Buffy5120]

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[Superdeterminist]

No, because to have an age limit would assume that there are wrong reasons to want to ctb. The urge to ctb is a feeling that isn't necessarily logical. If it's felt then it's felt, and - suicide being an amoral act - that feeling should be respected (in my opinion). Telling someone that their feelings are invalid does nobody any favours.

 

[UtopianElephant]

I acknowledge the fact that 50% of people in this thread think there should have no limit is freaky.

Then why not give alcohol or heroin to a kid?

Because every person's life situation is different, and some people unfortunately have a desire to die at a young age. They should absolutely be helped and supported to have a better quality of life. But if they still want to end their life, they should be entitled to a right to die with dignity.

Age should not be the deciding factor in who gets the right to die, as some children can be very mature beyond their years.

 

[KAZ-2Y5]

Anybody who's a legal adult. It should be kept simple as that.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

isn't the saying that 'rape is a hate crime'?

 

[FuneralCry]

I know people get angry at this view, but there never should be. The right to die is a human right and nobody should be forced to suffer in an existence they were so cruelly and unnecessarily burdened with in the first place, such a thing would be criminal to me.
None of us are obligated to continue existing here and I think age limits on suicide are inhumane, they show a lack of compassion, like why should anyone have to exist if they want true freedom from suffering, age limits on suicide are just people forcing their life valuing beliefs onto other people and to me that's insensitive.

Just because some people want to exist doesn't mean that everyone does and we cannot experience life the same way as other people so it's really not up to us whether other people should stay here are not, I cannot stand those pro-life people who cannot mind their own business and wish to control other people, like it's not your life and your decision.

And it's literally so insensitive when people pretend that those of a younger age cannot suffer, like some very young people have went through the most unbearable torture and abuse, how inhumane would it be to expect them to suffer when they want to die.
Nobody should have to suffer when they don't want to and I hate how humans think otherwise, humans are the worst species.

 

[diviosd]

Really, I think 25ish because that's when your brain stops developing so I think that's when you should be able to make permanent life decisions. But people are going to regardless so like, what would the point be?