Selfish to ctb during a pandemic?

[gnomeboy17]

Was discussing with someone about whether it would be selfish (even more than most people view it normally) to ctb right now because hospitals are already full, police are busy and people will be grieving.

If it failed I'd be wasting the nhs's time because they'd try to save me. People are already stressed enough as it is, without me adding to that.

 

[bpdandme]

It's selfish that we are in a society where we have to consider the impact our right to die has on hospitals. If hospitals were properly funded and the government planned for this then it wouldn't even be a discussion. Suicide is not selfish, I think suicide is mainly preventable but the steps taken to protect people are not there.
Hope you are okay - sending light

 

[PrettyMoose]

There will probably be many suicides anyway due to economic collapse. But I get where you are coming from, I've thought similar. Still for the right to die, pandemic or not.

 

[disabledandhopeless]

No

 

[Donk]

i dont think you are selfish. sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. but please make sure you are 100% about ctb. you can ctb anytime but you cant come back from ctb. death is inevitable. we can die from ctb, cancer or natural causes. they will have to grief regardless.

 

[tooStupidForExitBag]

Personally I believe that you should never have to live for other people (slightly more complicated if you're a parent). But I feel like this whole thing with "is it more selfish?" is only something the suicidal thinks about. No one will look at your corpse and think "great, couldn't he have at least waited a month?", it will be hard to deal with no matter the times.

 

[schopenh]

Choice to suicide is forcibly withheld from us and our discussions about suicide have to be had in the dark otherwise we all know the consequences. Most of our friends, family and society at large would rather us suffer indefinitely just so they don't have to deal with a grieving process. Yet most of us still feel conscious and guilty about how our suicide will affect others. It speaks volumes that you're actually concerned about this!

On the other hand, I just stopped caring, personally. Society, our government and my family have shafted me in a multitude of ways, and they seemingly don't give a flying fug. So fug them is my attitude.
If they don't want me giving a train driver PTSD, taking up a hospital bed or otherwise inconveniencing them with the suicide methods I've been forced into, then start providing assisted suicide.

 

[whereispeace]

It might not be the best time to do it I guess, but when you're ready, you're ready. Personally, I probably won't CTB while this is going on. But who knows...

 

[Humanityiamout]

I don't see it as as selfish no it's your right and there is still resources for other medical issues.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I never asked to be born so I have every right to decide when I want to die it´s selfish to bring life into a world without the person being able to give consent, that said I have thought about the stress on my parents doing this time and also the funeral aspect of it since even small groups of people aren´t allowed to gather i.e. (my family) I have no friends so none would show up.

And as @bpdandme already stated the government should have planned for such things since history always repeats itself and a pandemic will ineviteably happen again, not even long ago was the whole Ebola thing although it was mostly contained but also SARS, Swine flue etc. so no one should feel responsible because hospitals weren´t prepared how about the government pumps more money into more important things instead of spending the majority of their money by flexing their military strength I am looking at you USA with over 700 bilion dollars on military funding which is 60% of tax payers dollars and only 23 billion on NASA´s funding and looking at other bigger countries military budget like China´s which is around 178 billion so it´s completely absurd that the US doesn´t spend more money on healthcare.
Btw sorry for being carried away to sum up what @bpdandme said YES it´s completely stupid and reckless not to prepare for another pandemic because there will be another one

 

[I screwed up]

In one word NO. Its not selfish... Does anybody else think about you that u bothered abt them .. Hell no. So if U feel its time to go then its time to go .. Fu%$ the world

 

[Overnoutofhere]

If a dead person is found then it won't take up hospital time, maybe the medical examiners time, the funeral homes may take longer. Dead people don't go to the hospital do they?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I would only be concerned about surviving and "selfishness" because it's going to require oxygen therapy, so that could conceivably be a stressed resource for hospitals. Therefore, if it were me, SN would need to be a serious attempt, intending to die and not just attempt, with planning for not being interrupted for 4 hours and being certain I could handle the symptoms and not call emergency services.

 

[Final Escape]

Nah, I think many people are used to people ctbing around them by now, dying of drug OD's, economic problems. It won't even phase anyone besides the people who actually cared about u. In fact it will give the people a paycheck who have to take care of it all when they pick up your remains and stuff. So it might actually help some workers lol! Sorry if that last part was dark.

 

[Notwinnernotawin]

I was thinking about that a few days ago. In my opinion, I think that when a person who wants to die, ends up using resources that are few and needed to a person who supposedly wants to live... Sounds like a selfish situation. But it ends up being the government's fault, they should have enough to save lives, just like they have enough to steal.
Also, in my case, the pandemic situation isn't as bad yet, so I guess the sooner I ctb, the better. Unless I decide to wait for the virus to get me, which is a shitty lottery, if you think about it.

 

[gnomeboy17]

Choice to suicide is forcibly withheld from us and our discussions about suicide have to be had in the dark otherwise we all know the consequences.
If they don't want me giving a train driver PTSD, taking up a hospital bed or otherwise inconveniencing them with the suicide methods I've been forced into, then start providing assisted suicide.

Yes this is one of the many reasons why it's insane they don't allow euthanasia. Most ways people ctb are usually somewhat graphic or illegal, or both, the government leaves us with no choice than to ctb, when instead if you went through a mandatory process in order to access euthanasia, perhaps more people would change their mind and work on recovery. But pro lifers would never want that as it allows people to make decisions for themselves.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

No... We had no awareness the situation was coming... And even if we did it wouldn't alter my opinion.
The worst type of person at the moment is the one who hurts/robs a defenceless person then plays the system pretending they're mentally ill so they can avoid prison.
50%of people are sadistic sociopaths deep down anyway. Not all people in key working jobs are kind and empathetic just because they are exposing themselves to this, most are brave and kind.
The ones with empathy will understand.
Theyre dealing with just as many people who are abusing their health via drink,drugs, smoke (all of which I've done) so not judging but my point is who's more a dreg on them... The person with COPD or someone who's failed to end their life? If you happen to get treated like shit you've been unlucky and are being treated by ignorant ones... That's not how an empathetic person would treat you.

In fact it will give the people a paycheck who have to take care of it all when they pick up your remains and stuff. So it might actually help some workers lol! Sorry if that last part was dark.

I don't even think it should be considered dark, it's nice to see some bloody logic here. Rather than the crap I've seen being posted lately either trolls or deranged do-gooders worrying if their death flatulence offends somebody.

 

[gnomeboy17]

Rather than the crap I've seen being posted lately either trolls or deranged do-gooders worrying if their death flatulence offends somebody.

Was this bit refering to me? I was just asking if it was (more) selfish because a friend who doesn't know the extent of my SI said that people who ctb but fail waste the NHS resources. I just want to be clear that I don't think suicide is ever selfish, and usually when people fail they may be upset about it and probably don't want to waste NHS time. Sorry if I came off as pro life

 

[schopenh]

I was just asking if it was (more) selfish because a friend who doesn't know the extent of my SI said that people who ctb but fail waste the NHS resources.

In the context where you're found/reported by someone else, It's just not logically coherent:
'A' wants to commit suicide.
'A' doesn't want to be brought back to life by a medical team.
'A' attempts suicide.
A medical team brings 'A' back to life, despite his express wishes not to be.

That 'A' is wasting resources is not a logical conclusion of the above. The logical conclusion is that the medical team that are wasting their own resources, clearly.
In their own misguided belief system, though, they're not even, because in their mind they've decided that bringing you back to life is the right thing to do - therefore it's not a waste. So in no way are you wasting anyone's time.

The other context is where someone does something like drink a glass of SN and call the ambulance immediately on themselves because they changed their mind. This requires a much longer discussion. In summary, provided the person truly meant to suicide and truly only changed their mind after. I see absolutely no reason that this is a waste of the medical team's time. This is precisely something they exist for.
Your friend just sounds angry/confused over the fact that some people get suicidal. They lack true empathy.

 

[gnomeboy17]

In the context where you're found/reported by someone else, It's just not logically coherent:
'A' wants to commit suicide.
'A' doesn't want to be brought back to life by a medical team.
'A' attempts suicide.
A medical team brings 'A' back to life, despite his express wishes not to be.

That 'A' is wasting resources is not a logical conclusion of the above. The logical conclusion is that the medical team that are wasting their own resources, clearly.

The point is that you know they would try and save you and you know there's a possibility of changing your mind before ctb.

 

[TAW122]

I think it is much more selfish for family, society, and other people to dictate what you choose to do with your life. It's your own life, your own body, so you have ultimate agency in deciding what is best for you. In short, no I don't think it is selfish for one to CTB despite what the popular opinion society may say.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

Was this bit refering to me?

No mate I was just happy to see what the guy was saying as theres an influx of people lately saying it's selfish to leave a mess.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Pros of CTB during pandemic:

• People might feel a little more charitable about your suicide: "well, the stress and loneliness of quarantine got to em. How sad". I think they are less charitable in good times
• In the worst case scenario that you have a near miss ctb, it's possible that healthcare will be spread so thin that they will fumble it and you'll escape
• No funeral (this is a pro for me)
• People in work/family/social circles not physically together to talk about it... seems less gossipy or something?

Cons of CTB during pandemic:

• Lots of people are trapped at home with families, which increases chances of being interrupted mid or late attempt and also of having a family member find your body
• People are in a state of elevated stress, so it might be harder for them to process your death
• People might think badly of you for leaving when everyone's supposed to "pull together and be strong for the country" or something like that

In terms of wasting medical resources, you just have to make sure there's no doubt that you're dead af when they find you.

 

[gnomeboy17]

Pros of CTB during pandemic:

• People might feel a little more charitable about your suicide: "well, the stress and loneliness of quarantine got to em. How sad". I think they are less charitable in good times
  

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  Maybe this sounds narcissistic but when I ctb I want people to know that I've been suffering for years and it wasn't a sudden impulsive move, and as you say in the cons lists, people may just think that we're all dealing with quarentine and there was no need to ctb over it.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

[*]No funeral (this is a pro for me)

Big pro for me too, not thought of this thanks.

 

[Partial-Elf]

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  Maybe this sounds narcissistic but when I ctb I want people to know that I've been suffering for years and it wasn't a sudden impulsive move, and as you say in the cons lists, people may just think that we're all dealing with quarentine and there was no need to ctb over it.

It's so crazy how wrong the popular perception of suicide as an impulsive and emotional act is. Can't research it rn but I'm sure that's the minority of cases, with most suicides being an escape from prolonged and brutal suffering as you describe.

 

[Fragile]

i don't think that it's necessarily selfish, it really depends on your situation and method, but the entire point of this quarantine is to prevent hospitals from getting overrun so you'll be putting even more strain in a horribly broken system that is in no shape to deal with this pandemic.

at the end of the day it's your life and every one of us has the right to do whatever we want with it, no one asked to be born.

I don't even think it should be considered dark, it's nice to ses some bloody logic here. Rather than the crap I've seen being posted lately either trolls or deranged do-gooders worrying if their death flatulence offends somebody.

i think there's a HUGE difference between a "death flatulence" and a horrible death scene that could traumatize someone.

 

[gnomeboy17]

Guess I got an answer