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Okay, you're right here too: I shouldn't have called them privileges; I think it would be something more like "accommodations." I can't claim that someone belonging to the working class is privileged, that's true. I'm also sorry for calling you an "incel" without proof. I was sensitive. Anyway, I still think you should be more careful about coming to posts about minority people and saying, "I'm also discriminated against for being a man." Okay, patriarchy affects you too, I know that and I don't doubt it. I didn't mean to question your traumas, but you can't deny that some oppressions or discriminations are systemic. I think you have a lot to examine and learn.

Again, I'm sorry for being rude; it's a very complicated topic, and as I said, it's one of the reasons I think about CTB. I'll try not to respond anymore; I have to learn not to argue with right-wing people, as it's not healthy for me.

Have a nice day.

Yes, they did

Thank you VERY much <3 you're right I couldn't explain it better
Well, thank you for your apology, and I apologise if I over stepped here too.

To be clear, I am also a "minority". I have severe autism, (And depression and anxiety too, but those don't count as "minorities"). The point I was making is that you can't just assume someone is (or is not) privileged because of their race/gender, etc, that's prejudice. You don't know the person. I think you may have a few things to examine and learn too, to be honest.

Some oppressions are absolutely systemic, I didn't say they weren't, I wasn't querying that, I was just saying that men/white people also suffer from discrimination. Maybe not in the same way, or to the same extent, but they do.

I am also, definitely, not "right wing". I am very strongly "left wing" (liberal, progressive). I am not "woke", but that doesn't make me right wing.
 
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So it's radical right that has tanked your mental health.
 
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Here's the thing... People are bad. People in general, are bad.

The more powerful oppress the less powerful, that's how it works.

It used to be the case that society was conservative aligned, and gay people, women, etc, etc, would be oppressed.

Today, with, as you said, "radical leftism", we are starting to see the opposite, if you're a "white male" you get abuse, etc, etc.

The fact is that it's the same hatred, the same inequality.

People haven't changed, they never will.have been told that because I am a man that my trauma didn't exist. When I said that I was suicidal as a result of my (apparently non existent trauma) they told me they were glad.

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I agree that neither political side seems to care about topics like discrimination against autistic people or promoting awareness/understanding of that. And I would say that neurodivergence & physical disability are two minority groups that leftism overall does not even acknowledge usually in their protests/activism/signs & symbols/awareness campaigns, etc. when they are talking about support for oppressed/marginalized groups (Except for some activists who are autistic or physically disabled themselves).


2)

I also agree that men's mental health has not been taken seriously and is made fun of or called "weak" and other derogatory terms that (based on the stigma of emotions which everyone experiences being feminine and feminine being "bad") that contribute to rejecting the importance of men's mental health needs and likely increase existing shame and depression symptoms more


3)

And I also have mixed feelings about how the word "incel" is used since people use implying someone is a virgin as an insult. Which I do not think should be used to determine the value of a man. (And some people basically use to imply that someone is less of a man if he hasn't had sex with a woman. In my opinion, this idea also contributes to the oppression of women and a culture that assumes certain unacceptable things are okay and a concept that if things went well, then she would be wanting sex - I feel like this last part is a little more oversimplified than I was trying to be. Also, I recently found out that the term "incel" was actually created by a woman who was struggling to find that connection. And "hijacked" by the groups of men people mean when they say the word "incel" that talk about disrespecting, hating, & to put it mildly, harming women which is another issue in itself.) But, I'm not saying I agree with or support anything that is written by the people who are writing about doing/supporting what was mentioned in the previous sentence.

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However, writing "it used to be the case that women, gay people, etc. would be oppressed" is inaccurate because women, gay people, etc. still are oppressed. And they are still lower on the equity ladder "levels" than straight men (see equity vs. equality concept for what I'm trying to refer to. Btw, I'm not saying that men aren't affected/oppressed by topics such as class/money and stigma against autism).

For example, there was no comprehensive federal mandate ensuring women's inclusion in medical research trials prior to 1990. Which is a lot more recent than most people would think. And even after passing bills like that, there is usually still a discrepancy and factors that impact other women being included in the medical trials to even out the imbalance based on the already established patterns in the medical research system that everyone is used to. Requiring many changes that can take years and it probably still won't be common for around 100 years. And old historical stereotypes/beliefs taught around the 1800s such as women being more "dramatic" about what their level of pain is still get passed on based on what was historically taught in medical school since it has influenced what is taught in medicine for such a long time period.

(Another example to illustrate my points: 12 percent of medical students still believe the myth that black people have less sensitive nerve endings. Which was taught by 19th-century slaveowner, Dr. Thomas Hamilton who claimed this meant Black people have skin that is "less sensitive" & a higher pain tolerance than White people.)

And I've heard some people say "everyone basically has equal rights now" which is definitely not true and not all of the various areas they are still oppressed in are public knowledge or more medical professionals would be actually listening to women today, especially about pain levels, and there wouldn't be advice from other women to bring a man in with you and you will get listened to better/the doctor will listen to him saying the exact same thing you did (when some women do not have this 'method' as an option.) And yes, I'm basing this on a personal experience that took 10 years of the worst pain I'd ever experienced (untreated) before I received a diagnosis, so some anger at the medical system/standards may be coming out.

I did not intend to write an essay, but I just had to respond to the way that was worded. (which I also understand is a thing that autism affects, like, sometimes accidentally wording a phrase in a way that comes across differently than what you had meant to communicate or is interpreted differently than it was in your thoughts if someone was able to see what was happening in your brain and the message you intended to convey.)

And I'm not trying to start an internet argument, I just wanted to make sure I explained the multiple aspects of points I was bringing up which is always so complicated -but I don't know how to explain it all in short way because it's not really possible- and finding examples to back that up

5) And to try to end on a neutral note, both left & right sides post clickbait sensationalized titles with the goal of making people angry and increasing their anxiety. And also contribute to my mental health and viewpoint of the world getting worse.
 
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1)

I agree that neither political side seems to care about topics like discrimination against autistic people or promoting awareness/understanding of that. And I would say that neurodivergence & physical disability are two minority groups that leftism overall does not even acknowledge usually in their protests/activism/signs & symbols/awareness campaigns, etc. when they are talking about support for oppressed/marginalized groups (Except for some activists who are autistic or physically disabled themselves).



This is correct. I also have autism, I don't know if I mentioned that previously, and this is one of the reasons why I am so disillusioned with the whole "Diversity" movement. It's not really about diversity. If you're not diverse in the right way, no one cares. That's not really diversity. I am, technically, a "minority", due to having severe autism, but I am treated as, like the poster above said, "Privileged" because of my race and gender, no one looks deeper to see what I have actually been through, and how much I have suffered, and am still suffering.


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I also agree that men's mental health has not been taken seriously and is made fun of or called "weak" and other derogatory terms that (based on the stigma of emotions which everyone experiences being feminine and feminine being "bad") that contribute to rejecting the importance of men's mental health needs and likely increase existing shame and depression symptoms more



Again, agreed. This is a complex issue, and it's kind of beyond the scope of the initial comment that I made. I do think that men have some responsibility here too, sometimes men will look down on other men for going to therapy, taking medication, etc, because "Real men don't need therapists", etc, etc. That's something that is changing, but you see that attitude in some places still.



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And I also have mixed feelings about how the word "incel" is used since people use implying someone is a virgin as an insult. Which I do not think should be used to determine the value of a man.


An incel isn't just someone who is a "virgin". It's much, much more serious than that. Incels, as a group, are incredibly toxic, dangerous, and often violent. They frequently talk about (and sometimes actually DO) murder women, assault them, and advocate for violence against them. For some reason, this word "Incel" is now used for anyone who criticises the oftentimes unfair and toxic treatment than men get in society. I strongly disagree with this. I am absolutely not an incel, I do not advocate for violence against any individual, of any gender, race, or nationality. I fully support women and womens rights and equality. I also used to consider myself a feminist, however in the modern world I think that feminism has been overtaken by a toxic, anti-male attitude that I cannot and do not support, and so I no longer consider myself a feminist. I do still support equality however. Social media spaces really, really, need to stop normalising the use of the word "incel" to refer to anyone who talks advocates for the role of men in society. People are deliberately conflating the two because it suits their narrative ("IE: Oh, so you think men are treated badly in some ways? Oh, well, you're obviously an incel! That is NOT what an incel is.)

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However, writing "it used to be the case that women, gay people, etc. would be oppressed" is inaccurate because women, gay people, etc. still are oppressed. And they are still lower on the equity ladder "levels" than straight men (see equity vs. equality concept for what I'm trying to refer to. Btw, I'm not saying that men aren't affected/oppressed by topics such as class/money and stigma against autism).



This is true, I never said that women and minorities are NOT oppressed, just that they aren't the only ones being oppressed. They may still be oppressed more than men, in fact, but the point I was making was that assuming "All men are privileged" and "All women and minorities are disadvantaged" is not true anymore. Like I said, from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.


I did not intend to write an essay, but I just had to respond to the way that was worded. (which I also understand is a thing that autism affects, like, sometimes accidentally wording a phrase in a way that comes across differently than what you had meant to communicate or is interpreted differently than it was in your thoughts if someone was able to see what was happening in your brain and the message you intended to convey.)

Yes, I do the same thing myself, again, I have autism too, so I totally get that. I am sure you are right about your experiences of your pain not being listened to in the medical setting too, I'm sorry that that happened.


And I'm not trying to start an internet argument, I just wanted to make sure I explained the multiple aspects of points I was bringing up which is always so complicated -but I don't know how to explain it all in short way because it's not really possible- and finding examples to back that up

I think you explained yourself extremely well, and personally, I much prefer longer debates like this because it makes it much easier to clarify and expand on what I am saying, and prevents misunderstandings. Maybe the fact that we both have autism makes talking easier?

5) And to try to end on a neutral note, both left & right sides post clickbait sensationalized titles with the goal of making people angry and increasing their anxiety. And also contribute to my mental health and viewpoint of the world getting worse.

Absolutely agreed. This is why social media can be so toxic, it can take a grain of truth and exaggerate it, get people foaming at the mouth, when in actual fact the truth is completely different and usually much more harmles.
 
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i feel you but it's only made me willing to just die for the cause in some way. at least then my life might mean something.
 
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The whole left/right thing is, at the moment, a pantomime intended to distract you from the fact you're living in a corporate dystopia where any democracy, freedom, or autonomy is an illusion.

The powerful and mighty keep us bickering with each other over whether or not poor people are lazy, or about whether men are all evil scum or women should be allowed to decide what to do with their own bodies, while they themselves start wars, tear the planet apart, and create hell in service to their wealth and power.

Leave the culture war behind. It's completely pointless.
 
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The whole left/right thing is, at the moment, a pantomime intended to distract you from the fact you're living in a corporate dystopia where any democracy, freedom, or autonomy is an illusion.

The powerful and mighty keep us bickering with each other over whether or not poor people are lazy, or about whether men are all evil scum or women should be allowed to decide what to do with their own bodies, while they themselves start wars, tear the planet apart, and create hell in service to their wealth and power.

Leave the culture war behind. It's completely pointless.
Very well said!
 
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I can relate to how you feel. I used to be very much a leftist myself and felt a similar way. Not as much anymore, but it's less that I've drifted away from the left and more than I've become less engaged with politics in general.

Perhaps you could look into 'revolutionary optimisim'? I've heard it discussed in leftist spaces. Maybe it's just a cope for the dismal state of the world as it is now, but we've all got to get hope from somewhere. Personally I'm a Christian and get my hope from my faith, but I acknowledge not everyone wants anything to do with religion.
 
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take of the century my dude. This is a suicide forum to engage in meaningful discussions of suicide that are taboo out there or barely understood. There is a lot of stigma and ignorance surrounding it and if you are here you should know you are part of that group that's affected by it.
Being in a suicide forum and suicidal in a world that refuses to understand us, and yet pointing to the other ppl in that forum saying "these mfers be crazy" shows a extreme lack of awareness.
One would expect the tiniest bit more of understanding of suicidality from anyone in here.
It's convenient causation, and easier to think you political opponents are just crazy. But take the problem for what it is and don't repeat the kind of rethoric that's used to distort and invalidate anyone's real struggles here. cos that will turn on you in another shape, because it's easy to do so for others.

I've never seen anyone being convinced of anything in an internet debate. Never. Specially if they are confrontational like these.
So me just saying "that take is dumb you should look into it" won't make you do anything about it. I know.
so I'm not asking you to change your mind politically or whatever that ain't happening here, but be mindful of this, if you can.

also if you wanna have a laugh check out the conservapedia article on why homosexuality is unhealthy because it makes homosexuals kill themselves for whatever reason https://www.conservapedia.com/Mental_Health_and_Homosexuality
and another one with similar arguments https://www.conservapedia.com/Suicide
we are not too far from these talking points is all I'm saying, and suicide shouldn't mix with dumb shit like these imo
something funny about this is that some weeks ago I saw a post on... reddit I think? saying that the "adulthood loser epidemic" or "male loneliness epidemic" is just a right wing problem
Well, let the people judge as they want
 
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something funny about this is that some weeks ago I saw a post on... reddit I think? saying that the "adulthood loser epidemic" or "male loneliness epidemic" is just a right wing problem
Well, let the people judge as they want

Reddit skews massively left-wing though, so it makes sense that they would say that.

I'm sure there are a bunch of right-wing platforms blaming male loneliness (and everything else) on "liberals", etc, etc.
 
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I jumped down the rabbit hole and discovered radical leftist belief: the belief that capitalism is what is wrong with society, and a complete overhaul of the system is required.

Left wing people and right wing people at present seem largely unaware of the true causes of human suffering in our society, which is not poverty as the left would have you believe, but invariably is a mental health issue. Yes, this is a radical idea, that few people currently appreciate. But they will in future.

If someone has robust mental health: if they are emotionally and intellectually strong, spiritually sensitive, physically and mentally energetic and motivated, they will often do well in life, and will enjoy their lives. Even if they start at the bottom of the ladder, they will still do well.

But many of us have either overt mental health issues, or sub-clinical ones, which impede our happiness and progress in life. Having some sort of mental health issue is exceeding common. Few of us come out of the mould in perfect condition.

So if we want to tackle human misery, which I think should be the key objective for any society, we need to advance our biological understanding of the body, so that we can treat mental ill health. But it will take hundreds of years, if not thousands, before most of humanity lives with near perfect mental health.

And this biological advancement will not take place unless there is some degree of capitalism, as this is needed for technological advancement.

So we need capitalism if we are going to tackle human misery, though we also need socialism (or at least social democracy) to balance the greedy excesses of capitalism.
 
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Left wing people and right wing people at present seem largely unaware of the true causes of human suffering in our society, which is not poverty as the left would have you believe, but invariably is a mental health issue. Yes, this is a radical idea, that few people currently appreciate. But they will in future.

If someone has robust mental health: if they are emotionally and intellectually strong, spiritually sensitive, physically and mentally energetic and motivated, they will often do well in life, and will enjoy their lives. Even if they start at the bottom of the ladder, they will still do well.

But many of us have either overt mental health issues, or sub-clinical ones, which impede our happiness and progress in life. Having some sort of mental health issue is exceeding common. Few of us come out of the mould in perfect condition.

So if we want to tackle human misery, which I think should be the key objective for any society, we need to advance our biological understanding of the body, so that we can treat mental ill health. But it will take hundreds of years, if not thousands, before most of humanity lives with near perfect mental health.

And this biological advancement will not take place unless there is some degree of capitalism, as this is needed for technological advancement.

So we need capitalism if we are going to tackle human misery, though we also need socialism (or at least social democracy) to balance the greedy excesses of capitalism.
Poverty leads to mental health issues, it's one of the main problems, poverty in some countries means you never get to talk to the educated children/people and you're ostracized to stay along with other poor-er kids. Some of these poor kids (which might even be you or me!) have trashy parents that reproduced for NO REASON other than INSTINCT and propaganda.

Because of that, these kids who come from low income households with no support system end up dropping out from school or turning to crimes such as smoking and sharing cigarettes in 3rd/4th grade (10yo), porn, weed, raping(yes.), etc. Now on top of the kids that are doomed by default, there will be poor kids that have normal-ish parents that offer as best of a nurture as they can; these kids who might have had a chance like you said in the second paragraph are NOW FUCKED, they will be influenced by their peers and they will too become problem children that will never be able to move on from it.

How is capitalism and poverty not a problem? They are because they are a direct reason of why you can't be physically, mentally, spiritually strong like you said. The number 1 power that humans have, factually, is learning from previous generations; these poor kids are denied that and children (me and you included) can't grasp the concepts you are saying right now because we are animals and we are not born taught.

If they are taught hierarchies such as "eww don't touch or don't talk to the poor girl or boy", the 6 year olds will do just that, children who might help other children, who are kind-er because of better parents, who might help other less fortunate children will now evade these less fortunate children and the less fortunate children will be doomed with no one to turn to other than crime and quick dopamine hits. We first need to find another system that doesn't exclude children and makes them turn to a life of crime. Baking out hierarchies from humanity is almost impossible so is advancing our biological understanding of the body, this just a cop out.

Humans have shown that while they have the mental ability to acknowledge how to respond and resolve certain problems, they'll always choose not to because they can't COMPREHEND THEM or they don't care about them or take pleasure in them existing, world hunger, veganism, rape, misogyny, racism, xenophobia could easily be solved in 2 years if we put our mind to it, we are EASILY capable, it's a NON-ISSUE but humans will NEVER do this as you said it will take thousands of years. What we need is a secondary complementary system that focuses on equity and more empathy rather than individualism and human centrism. Edit2: because if we don't have this, humans will have no incentive to get better even if they are capable of it.

Edit: And also, an outlier making it from poverty and trauma, etc. is just that, an outlier and it should not be taken for granted, they should be congratulated and quickly dismissed when talking about poverty issues and such because consistency is more important to achieve rather than inspirational outliers and this just a fact.
 
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When I would actually leave my house a couple months ago, a friend who was the leader of a club I was in introduced me to anarchism. From that point, I jumped down the rabbit hole and discovered radical leftist belief: the belief that capitalism is what is wrong with society, and a complete overhaul of the system is required. And, honestly, I can see the ways that capitalism has impacted people. The amount of people on this site and on r/suicidewatch who are citing not being able to afford care as a reason for their suicidal thoughts. My inability to cut off my parents financially also contributes to my suicidal thoughts. The fact that people have to be poor and on the streets in general. The fact that there are CEOs out there with so much unnecessary money. The destruction of the environment for profit. The oppression of minorities, specifically black and Indigenous people, disabled people, other POC, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community. It all ties back to this one thing.

It is going to take years of struggle to see a little bit of change. Every time I interact with leftist spaces, I am reminded how messed up the world is, and it fills me with dread. Yet, it feels like I can't go back. It feels like I can't go back to my old life because I was revealed the truth. And it tanks my mental health to think this. I could try and do something about it, but there is only so much I can do while disabled and unable to leave my house for long periods of time.
I know exactly what you mean. Its exhausting. I used to be really into the leftist ideology in college, but what helped my mental health was accepting that we as humans tend to categorize people, i.e. stereotype them. Anyone who denies being racist is lying. Monks work their entire lives to unravel their inner workings in such a way leftism expects the average person to.
We all are terrible as we all are good. Its just how it is. We step on eachother, we build systems to keep eachother down, we manipulate... there is always going to be someone clamping down on you. It fucking SUCKS! but there is nothing to do about it. Trying to find a way to fix it on a large geometric scale is impossible. Too many spinning dishes to balance.
I try to keep a watchful eye on what I need to, and not get too into it. The fanatical leftism/rightism is the exact reason why the entire world feels off nowadays. Everyone's expected to have an intelligent "take" on shit that doesnt personally affect them. Its silly.
 
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You can be a good person without having to care about everything bad that happens in the world. Just focus on the sphere that you some control over; the rest is not up to us, we dont have to stand trial for it.
 
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I think we, as human beings, are biologically hardwired to be perpetually discontent. We got this from a billion years of evolution, and it's a feature, not a bug. It's what drives us to adapt, and survive, and reproduce. We'll never be happy. Even in 1000 years from now if we achieve the communist utopian society that every radical lefty dreams about, we'll still be depressed by our own circumstances and indefinitely strive for more. You've been blackpilled on capitalism, but I think the blackpill of all blackpills is understanding that this deep discontentment is just a core part of the human condition and there's no way we can organize our economy, or our political system, to fix it.
Word. Thank you for your wisdom zen giraffe. It didn't stop a shitshow from happening but it's still good stuff.
 
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^Struggle is simply part of what it means to be alive in this world; I wouldnt reduce it to a mere evolutionary process. A communist society that abandons the principle of struggle I would not consider utopian. Otherwise agree with the above quoted post.
 
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I know the original post is old by now, but my two cents is that it's not the ethos inherent to leftism (liberals are NOT leftists btw) that causes mental illness, but rather it's the individual's already existing predisposition to mental illness that exacerbates the anxiety and depression that may be caused in part by being educated. Yes, I say being educated because denying the horrors of modern existence is factually ignorant. The return of popular fascism, the active genocide we are witnessing in Gaza, systemic racism and bigotry against racial and sexual minorities and the disabled. The removal of women's and trans people's right to healthcare and bodily autonomy. Etc. The list goes on.

To do away with any misconceptions, I understand that all people are victims of the ruling class. Yes, even the blue-collar racists that blame brown people for all of their problems. I am not wealthy and have been working as a construction contractor myself for many years. The rich keep us bickering, yada yada, everyone already knows. However, my fellow worker being a worker still doesn't excuse their bigotry and ignorance. I am non-white myself and this bigotry is something I experience on a daily basis even in ways that are subtle (according to them I am "one of the good ones"). Sure, "white men are also oppressed" can be true on an individual level. Nobody with a functional brain between their ears (aka people that aren't terminally addicted to Reddit or Twitter) is denying that. But that being true on a systemic level? Lmao. Read some textbooks, people. C'mon. It is clear as day and dark as night that the vast majority of fascism's and corporate-capitalism's victims are non-whites ("white" in this case being defined as those primarily belonging to the Anglo diaspora and Aryans as defined by *checks notes*... the Nazis. Many white-appearing groups have also been historically oppressed, i.e. the Irish, for not being the "correct" kind of white). The list goes on to include women, queer folk, intellectuals, and many others that I fail to mention. It goes without saying that we should condemn anyone who advocates for any of the aforementioned. The resurgence of fascist ideology factually threatens the smallest and weakest of groups in ways that are far more tangible than an internet liberal calling a white guy mean words, or a girl with dyed hair ghosting a man on some dating app (and no, Obama being elected President of the United States is not evidence to the contrary). To assert otherwise is ahistorical and willfully ignorant. At worst, it is malicious.

To the right-adjacent folks in this thread asserting that somehow this "mind virus" is to blame, your rational failing is in the inability to distinguish ideology from the more subtle and even overt actions and ailments that make a person, or outright denying that/downplaying the extent to which these actions are happening or some of these problems exist. Leftism does not suddenly cause somebody to become depressive and kill themselves. To say that leftism must cause mental illness because the leftists you see on the internet are depressed is laughable at best and harmful at worst.

No, what causes and worsens mental illness is not simple ideology. Ideology is merely the gateway to a certain kind of awareness. What causes and worsens mental illness is brain chemistry and the fact that the world, and the predominant cultures of the people living in it are mean, cruel, vicious, violent, vindictive, and apathetic.

So before you all go on and keep blaming "woke ideology" for everyone's problems, conduct a sparing amount of analysis and introspection and understand that the human condition is unkind to everyone.

That includes the people you don't like. This certainly applies to many leftists I know as well. This certainly applies to myself.

Drop the bullshit. Stop pointing fingers at the boogeymen the ruling class keeps trying to put in our heads. Stop projecting straw-man arguments and ideology onto people you don't like. If anyone feels called out by this then take that as a sign to change for the better. Let's actually try to support people without the "what about me" garbage.

This forum exists so we can support our fellows who are also struggling with these most insidious and pervasive demons. We're here to help each other, at least we should be. Let's act like it, yeah?
 
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I would agree with most of your post, but maybe disagree with some points.
I know the original post is old by now, but my two cents is that it's not the ethos inherent to leftism (liberals are NOT leftists btw) that causes mental illness, but rather it's the individual's already existing predisposition to mental illness that exacerbates the anxiety and depression that may be caused in part by being educated.

Correct. I am strongly liberal, but I am not a "leftist". There is a difference between being progressive, liberal, supporting the rights of minorities, etc, and being one of these toxic, hateful, radical leftist types of people. The radical left might not be as dangerous as the radical right, but they are dangerous. Just look at the charlie kirk shooting for a recent example.

Sure, "white men are also oppressed" can be true on an individual level. Nobody with a functional brain between their ears (aka people that aren't terminally addicted to Reddit or Twitter) is denying that. But that being true on a systemic level? Lmao. Read some textbooks, people. C'mon. It is clear as day and dark as night that the vast majority of fascism's and corporate-capitalism's victims are non-whites ("white" in this case being defined as those primarily belonging to the Anglo diaspora and Aryans as defined by *checks notes*... the Nazis. Many white-appearing groups have also been historically oppressed, i.e. the Irish, for not being the "correct" kind of white).

This is also correct, and it is a very, very intelligent point.
"Privilige" (White privilege, male privilege, etc) is systemic, not individual. It is true that a personcould be privilieged in a general sense, but not an individual one.

Societies resources should be given to the people who deserve those resources, and need those resources. We shouldn't just say "Well, you're a man, get to the back of the queue", because how do you know that guy doesn't need more support than anyone else in the room? You don't know him, you don't know what he's going through.

The problem now is that toxic left-leaning groups, groups that thrive on hatred, have taken this concept of privilege, and use it as a weapon to attack ALL men, ALL white people, ALL straight people, etc, etc. This is radical leftism, this is a toxic ideology.

I've been told (Not on this forum by the way) that as a man it was not possible for me to suffer from trauma, because of my "male priviliege". When I replied that I was suicidal as a result of that trauma, they said they were "glad". There is a LOT of hatred against men out there, and it's growing. You just don't see it because you're not allowed to talk about it.

The resurgence of fascist ideology factually threatens the smallest and weakest of groups in ways that are far more tangible than an internet liberal calling a white guy mean words, or a girl with dyed hair ghosting a man on some dating app (and no, Obama being elected President of the United States is not evidence to the contrary). To assert otherwise is ahistorical and willfully ignorant. At worst, it is malicious.

Agreed. However, it is also important to point out that there are violent, extremest people on the left too, like I said, the shooting of Charlie kirk, assassination attempts on trump (Who I do NOT support, but you can't murder people just because you don't agree with their views) and that person who shot those kids outside that church recently.

Assuming that the worst that "left leaning" individuals can do is calling a white guy mean words is not correct. "Right leaning" types are MUCHmore likely to be violent (I am NOT right leaning, by the way!), but the radical left is trying hard to catch up.

To clarify what I mean here... What is happening in many spaces is that the radical "left" is basically taking the view that if you are a man, if you are white, if you are straight, then it is acceptable for you to be subjected to abuse, treated as an "other" and attacked. THIS is "radical" leftism. Acknowledging that some groups in society (like men, white people, etc) are privileged on a systemic level is perfectly fine (And correct), but using this to justify attacking and harassing ALL men, ALL white people is not.

So before you all go on and keep blaming "woke ideology" for everyone's problems, conduct a sparing amount of analysis and introspection and understand that the human condition is unkind to everyone.

This I would agree with. The people in charge of our society want to keep us fighting amongst ourselves, because that way we stay small, and we stay weak. They don't want us uniting together, because if we do, we can change things.

That includes the people you don't like. This certainly applies to many leftists I know as well. This certainly applies to myself.

Drop the bullshit. Stop pointing fingers at the boogeymen the ruling class keeps trying to put in our heads. Stop projecting straw-man arguments and ideology onto people you don't like. If anyone feels called out by this then take that as a sign to change for the better. Let's actually try to support people without the "what about me" garbage.

Exactly.

Everyone in our society deserves to be treated equally. It is true that some groups are more disadvantaged compared to others, and those groups should get more resources and support, but the support should be given based in individual need, not what group you are a part of.
I am so sick and tired of people hating on men, straight people, white people, etc, because they blame them for all their problems, and you see this a LOT online. Reddit for example is a cesspit for this kind of stuff, there are entire subs dedicated to hating men, calling all men rapists, even calling for violence against men.

These are people that are claiming to be fighting against bigotry, but they are just as bigoted as the people they are criticising.

This is what the "radical left" is about.

It's about revenge, not equality, punishment, not freedom.

Doing this alienates your potential allies and sows discord when, really, most of us are going through the same struggles (and I don't just mean here on this forum, I mean in society).
 
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