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The first meeting was great. We were not fully on the same side always but it was an amazing conversation for both of us.

Yesterday, was the second meeting she invited two autistic friends. The first was a friendly woman. No problems. I learned she dated her. The second person was an allegedly autistic man. She also dated him. Later it turned out he only did an online test and ran with the diagnosis. I am pretty sure this dude is either a sociopath or psychopath. The way he acted was totally insane. It was a textbook example of antisocial behavior, he tried to undermine my self-confidence and attacked me a couple of times verbally. And the autistic woman was seemingly fine with it. No problems with it. I wasn't sure how to act. I did not want to attack him on the same low level. The autistic woman did not even say goodbye when I left the apartment. Some people interpreted it as if I was his opponent in dating her and thus he attacked me. Though, I had the feeling his behavior was pathological and not driven by external factors. I am not that self-confident and maybe I am an easy target.

The insane irony is while he attacked me all the time he also lectured me in morals and ethics when it comes to politics. He insulted all politics students, called them ignorant and careerists. He was far-left especially in cultural aspects. I think I am also pretty far left. But I think he and this autistic woman talk all the time about intersectionality. Here a definition: intersectionality, intersectionality, in social theory, the interaction and cumulative effects of multiple forms of discrimination affecting the daily lives of individuals, particularly women of color. The term also refers more broadly to an intellectual framework for understanding how various aspects of individual identity—including race, gender, social class, and sexuality—interact to create unique experiences of privilege or oppression.

And maybe you see the irony. How can you act as massive asshole in social interactions and at the same time argue against discrimination. I guess he also has a victim complex because he also portrayed himself sort of like a poor victim that has no friends... (oh boy, I wonder why...)

I think he tried to analyze me to get my weakspots. And he hit it hard with proving that he is smarter than me. I also admitted that. I think both of them considered that a gotcha moment where I lost the debate and my credibility maybe even dignity. But this isn't the way I function. I personally hate how I am obsessed with intelligence. It is way more important to remain a good human being instead of being (seen) as smart. And on this aspect I won the discussion in my point of view clearly. And I can bitch and moan with my friends in real life and my friends on Sactioned Suicide about this incident.

Later, he said that he is actually bankrupt and has a person in charge who does all the important decisions for him. While saying that he has at least one child. I could have been an asshole asking whether this isn't much responsibility to have under his circumstances. But I didn't say that out loud. Maybe it is not good to post it here but I think as a vent after an abusive event its legitimate.

Personally, I always had prejudices about people who only talk about intersectionality and discrimination. And this experiences reinforced my negative image. They think too much about powerdynamics in social interactions this can be poisonous. I was also suprised the autistic woman said literally nothing about his behavior. Was this like a competition? I am not playing such immature low-level games. Moreover, they glorified taking drugs massively. She took LSD one day before our meeting. And I get the feeling she is only interested in the contact with me when its comfortable for her. Its draining for her to maintain friends. But she seeimgly enjoys spending time with this sociopath. That's a red flag.

Friends told me to block the contact with her completely. And honestly I think they are right. Her environment sounds extremely toxic. The first date with her alone was amazing. But I also got the feeling she plays with me in some way. I think I won't text her again. If she asks for another walk I consider to agree with it. If its another meet-up with her friends. Well, sadly I will reject that...
 
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It is bad that my catastrophizing of social interactions seems to be quite accurate recently. I said I have the feeling this evening will be a disaster but it got even worse than I expected it...
 
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I didn't wanna say anything, but I felt that there were several red flags in your first meeting with her already. Like how you had to constantly walk on eggshells to not make her upset...maybe that's just my impression though.
 
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By the way I forgot to mention the worst thing I think. He proudly told us that he tries to get women on dating apps dependent and reliant on him/he manipulates them. And when he achieved his goals he blocks the contact immediately. This autistic woman I dated considered that a fun-fact and chuckled about it. And political both are highly correct...and lecture everyone on morals and ethics. Laughable.

At the end of the evening he expressed that some men find raping women okay and how condemnable this was...I got the feeling he is exactly the type of person who likes the notion of raping women. And honestly I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he already raped a woman.

He got really aggressive when I told him that weed in teenagers can make psychosis more likely. I think if I told him my honest opinion about him, he might would have assaulted me physically.

As a woman I certainly would not spend my evening alone with him....Such a sick-fuck.

From now on I will call them Ghislaine and Jeffrey in my head...
 
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My friends say I stop refering to his as "the sociopath". Sorry but He simply acted like one.
I cannot give him a proper Diagnosis. And anti social personality order/traits might be more neutral.

I don't consider this offensive towards this very sick Individual. I admit though it might not be fair towards some sociopaths. Some of them try to be good people.
 
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She texted me and apologized for what happened.

There are some friends that say she sounds honest. Tbh I could imagine she is pretty manipulative.

On the other hand, there are some friends who call her a major Red flag and recommend me to dodge the bullet.

I am not sure what do to. I think I will text something in between. Explaining that the last meeting was pretty uncomfortable for me. And that I don't want to meet her friend again.

I think rationally it would be way better to dodge her. But it could also be fun to spend time with her.
 
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My answer goes the middle way. Is this an idiom? I Set boundaries. I told her I felt very uncomfortable at the Meeting. But I did not want to escalate the situation. But I never want to meet her friend again.

Some of my friends think this is still too nice. I could imagine she is pissed about this answer. People who bully other people hate it if someone sets them limits. I am not fully convinced she is evil like her friend. But the last Meeting were even more red flags. I think she is throwing away social contacts like used toilet paper.

And if she stops the contact with me I am fully fine. If she is a decent human being she will understand my point of view.
 
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Holy shit. I know it sounds made up

But the whole thing with my autism self-help group just repeated in my college self-help group. But this time I defended myself. And oh boy I humiliated all of them. I am not sure whether you are familiar with my toxic college self-help group. I will Update this thread too. People on here adviced me never go there again. There are two Borderline women and a dude I liked. The dude was the only reason why I still went there. I cared what He thought about me. Last time I opened up that the group feels toxic. And that it is simply not real anymore.



I think He took this very personally. And the chemistry master student used that for her advantage. They Low-key ambushed me. I am not sure how much He knew but He was certainly against me. So the chemistry master invited her boyfriend to the group. We dated, and I think she wanted me to become jealous. Since weeks she tries to get my weak spots and tries to hit them. But honestly I have to laugh instead how insane she behaves.



She Was in a pretty good mood this evening when she told me she invited her boyfriend. She said things like she will invite him to go regularly to the group. I had a very strong urge to laugh out loud when I realized what she tried. I feel sorry for her boyfriend and I am certainly not jealous. Lol. They noticed how I almost bursted out my laughing. The chemistry master was pissed about that. At first I had the feeling the other Borderline woman which whom she has her regularly beef was On her side. I had the feeling at the beginning she was on her Team to bully me. But when she noticed how I tried not to laugh, which was really really offensive. Because the attempt to hurt me was so pathetic. She changed the Team. For the rest of the evening she was on my side.



The dude I liked not anymore though. Tried to debate me. He wasn't as smart as the sociopathic friend of this autistic woman. And I decided to defend me this time. He tried to own me intellectually and I completely owned him instead. This Was pretty pathetic. During the debate by the way He admitted to have watched gore. Something I highly suspected. I thought I won't admit that for myself because the others would use that against me. His arguments where pathetic. How can I play shooters if such games glorify violence. He admitted to Play them too. The debate became politically and I completely owned him. He said where are you drawing the lines of violence in Video games would you accept a Game designed for pedophiles. Honestly, He isn't as dumb as these arguments suggest but it was a cake walk for me. And it felt good that I defended myself this time.



He was the only one I still appreciated. And at the end of the evening He attacked the other Borderline woman with the question "With whom will you spend christmas this year?". Her dad died this year. And even though she is constantly attacking this group this line was depraved. I looked with disgust at him. And told the group that I will leave the christmas Party. Tbh I think I will never see these people again. It felt good. This is a good end note for this group. I will leave the door open to return but mostly to piss off the chemistry Master Student. She will hate that for some reasons.



Some friends of mine were right with their advice to leave. But I feel way better with the ending of today. I wanted an honest break. And oh boy...


This will need time to sink in. Everywhere I go there are insane evil people

Over the chemistry master stundent I almost killed myself last October. If I only knew her Character to this point.

By the way her boyfriend never arrived at the meeting. And she was so fucking pissed.

If this autistic woman and her friend attack me the next time I already have a plan to attack them back. I know a line which would make them really pissed. The rude anti-social frinedo f her said he wants to join the autism self-help group. I Might also get my revenge on them. Even though, I think revenge isn't something that should be sought.
 
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This feels like an interaction someone would write in a disco elysium-isque setting.
 
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This feels like an interaction someone would write in a disco elysium-isque setting.
All of this feels surreal to me . What happened to me within the last 2 months was insane. It is not good for my tendency of catastrophizing social interactions. Making negative predictions.

I am scared that all of this sounds made up. I think I attract abusive and manipulative people that try to take advantage of my conditions though. Bipolar, psychosis and autism. They think I was an easy target.

I am glad I defended myself this time. I am not only losing faith in therapy I also lose my faith in humanity. And increasingly I suspect behind many social interactions bad faith actors. Sadly, in both self-help groups I attended and with my former therapist there were indeed rotten and evil actors.
 
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All of this feels surreal to me . What happened to me within the last 2 months was insane. It is not good for my tendency of catastrophizing social interactions. Making negative predictions.

I am scared that all of this sounds made up. I think I attract abusive and manipulative people that try to take advantage of my conditions though. Bipolar, psychosis and autism. They think I was an easy target.

I am glad I defended myself this time. I am not only losing faith in therapy I also lose my faith in humanity. And increasingly I suspect behind many social interactions bad faith actors. Sadly, in both self-help groups I attended and with my former therapist there were indeed rotten and evil actors.
it doesn't sound made up, I was just itching to make someone look into disco elysium lol. You should play DE if u haven't already, I think you'll love it
 
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