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I've replied to your comment in A LOT more detail (it's just waiting for approval) but i just wanted to add something else, because your level of ignorance offends me. I completed my whole transaction on WhatsApp, through his WhatsApp store, yes he has a WhatsApp store. So unfortunately i was not able to make the transaction as discreet as yourself. I had planned on completing the transaction on his website, but prior to doing so i clicked on the WhatsApp link to ask him a benign question, mainly for reassurance before i made a payment and gave all my personal details. And it was him, yes him, who wanted me to complete the whole transaction on WhatsApp, not me. I thought the WhatsApp was just for a chat, and then i'd place the order on his website. And since you, and some others, are clearly blaming me for what went wrong, consider this, if he was really that concerned about things, then why on earth would he have created a WhatsApp store, that doesn't make sense does it. And why, after i referred to it as "food preservative" did he refer to it as SN on WhatsApp. It is listed by him as food preservative (for obvious reasons), so why would he then refer to it as SN on WhatsApp, if he was truly concerned, again that doesn't make sense does it. You make out that it was him who was trying to remain "innocuous", and that he acted that way so he had "plausible deniability", but what i've said here, and in my other reply, and in my initial post, blows your theories and false accusations out of the water. It's clear to me that you don't know your ass from your elbow.

You are trying to defend someone who is blatantly not too concerned about what they say or do on WhatsApp, if he was concerned, then he wouldn't have a WhatsApp store at all, because he doesn't need one, you didn't use WhatsApp did you? Someone who is trying to keep a low profile due to what they're involved in would absolutely not create a WhatsApp store to sell their products. Most sensible people who are involved in activities that they wish to keep from the authorities or on the down low, would NOT set up a store on WhatsApp if they were truly worried about getting tracked. Also, it's not illegal, he's been tracked down by many journalists, so he'd be in jail by now if he was doing anything illegal. If journalists can track him down, then i'm sure the authorities can. So, just because everything went well for you (i'm so happy for you btw), don't assume that it must be the other parties fault when things don't go well, again, your ignorance offends me. They say ignorance is bliss, and that obviously paid off for you, but unfortunately for me, as i'm not.

I'm not really replying to you for your benefit, it's clear to me that you're not that smart, a very low IQ type of person, it's for other members reading this, so hopefully they realise that what you're saying doesn't make sense, and what you've accused me of is false. I realise that some others will agree with you, i'm sure you won't be the only ignorant one. I also realise that some members may think i'm being a bit harsh on you, but if you're going to falsely accuse me of trying to making a conversation with DSL about suicide (and not once did i try make the conversation about suicide at all, in fact quite the opposite), as well as imply that it was all my fault for how things turned out, then you deserve a harsh response, and should be prepared for such. Had you have not said what you did, then obviously i would not have responded in this way. Our interaction could, and should, have been polite, but your actions resulted in something quite different unfortunately, so you've only got yourself to blame for my response. I will not be interacting with you any further, or any other members who are as ignorant as you, and i'm not wasting any more of my time on this. I've said everything i wanted to say now. Please also see my other responses to others who are as ignorant as you, you might learn some more.
 
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so i clicked on the WhatsApp link to ask him a benign question, mainly for reassurance before i made a payment and gave all my personal details. And it was him, yes him, who wanted me to complete the whole transaction on WhatsApp, not me. I thought the WhatsApp was just for a chat, and then i'd place the order on his website. And since you, and some others, are clearly blaming me for what went wrong, consider this, if he was really that concerned about things, then why on earth would he have created a WhatsApp store, that doesn't make sense does it. And why, after i referred to it as "food preservative" did he refer to it as SN on WhatsApp. It is listed by him as food preservative (for obvious reasons), so why would he then refer to it as SN on WhatsApp, if he was truly concerned, again that doesn't make sense does it. You make out that it was him who was trying to remain "innocuous", and that he acted that way so he had "plausible deniability",
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but what i've said here, and in my other reply, and in my initial post, blows your theories and false accusations out of the water. It's clear to me that you don't know your ass from your elbow.
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You are trying to defend someone who is blatantly not too concerned about what they say or do on WhatsApp, if he was concerned, then he wouldn't have a WhatsApp store at all, because he doesn't need one, you didn't use WhatsApp did you? Someone who is trying to keep a low profile due to what they're involved in would absolutely not create a WhatsApp store to sell their products. Most sensible people who are involved in activities that they wish to keep from the authorities or on the down low, would NOT set up a store on WhatsApp if they were truly worried about getting tracked.
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Also, it's not illegal, he's been tracked down by many journalists, so he'd be in jail by now if he was doing anything illegal. If journalists can track him down, then i'm sure the authorities can.
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So, just because everything went well for you (i'm so happy for you btw), don't assume that it must be the other parties fault when things don't go well, again, your ignorance offends me. They say ignorance is bliss, and that obviously paid off for you, but unfortunately for me, as i'm not.
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I'm not really replying to you for your benefit, it's clear to me that you're not that smart, a very low IQ type of person,
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it's for other members reading this, so hopefully they realise that what you're saying doesn't make sense, and what you've accused me of is false. I realise that some others will agree with you, i'm sure you won't be the only ignorant one. I also realise that some members may think i'm being a bit harsh on you, but if you're going to falsely accuse me of trying to making a conversation with DSL about suicide (and not once did i try make the conversation about suicide at all, in fact quite the opposite), as well as imply that it was all my fault for how things turned out, then you deserve a harsh response, and should be prepared for such.
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Had you have not said what you did, then obviously i would not have responded in this way. Our interaction could, and should, have been polite, but your actions resulted in something quite different unfortunately, so you've only got yourself to blame for my response. I will not be interacting with you any further, or any other members who are as ignorant as you, and i'm not wasting any more of my time on this. I've said everything i wanted to say now. Please also see my other responses to others who are as ignorant as you, you might learn some more.
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I originally posted this in another members thread, but thought I'd make my own thread to make more people aware of my experience with DSL, spoiler, it was not good.

First a bit of context. So, i've been visiting SaSu for almost two weeks now, but have only just yesterday been accepted as a member due to being from the UK (long story). In that time, i figured out what DSL was, found the website, and placed an order, all before i actually became a member on here.

That said, i ordered from DSL last Saturday, but things did not go well at all (to say the absolute least). In fact, he asked me so many unnecessary questions on WhatsApp, and things got so uncomfortable, that i ended up telling him to cancel my order and keep my money (in the nicest possible way of course).

At first, everything went smoothly, i ordered and paid, sent all my details, and he said he'd ship it on Monday, great i thought, that was easy, weeeeell actually, no! I came back to this site after ordering, read through more threads and posts, and became increasingly aware, and concerned, about the welfare checks that seem to be happening to almost everyone in the UK. This got me quite worried, mainly because i live with my parents (which you'll find out why below), so i just sent him a quick message on WhatsApp and asked if there was anything i should be concerned about regarding delivery to UK, and that i live with my parents and would rather not have any issues at my parents house. He then asked how old i was, so i told him 43, and then explained to him why i live with my parents at that age (which i tell everyone who asks btw as it embarrassing, but justifiable imo), hoping that he would get the message of why i really wanted SN and not ask me any more questions, how wrong i was.

He asked me, on Whatsapp, what i really wanted the SN for, so i told him for food preservation, because after all, that's what he lists it as. Because i said that, he said he'd just send me Nitrite Salt instead. Now, obviously, i had to say i wanted it for food preservation because i wasn't going to say on Whatsapp that i wanted it to CTB. So now I was like WTF is happening here, how am i going to get the message across without actually saying what i really wanted it for. So, I ended up sending many messages, trying to get the message across to him why i really wanted the pure SN and not the Nitrite salt, even telling him the reason that i live with my parents at 43 was because of many accidents, injuries, 15 surgeries, chronic pain, CPTSD, etc, etc, from the military, sports/exercise, and an adrenaline junkie lifestyle, which has unfortunately left me physically and mentally not in a good place (to say the least), hoping that he'd get the message of why i really wanted it, but no, he kept sending me more bizarre messages, even saying that he'll send me meat recipes with the salt, seriously lol. Again, i was like WTF is happening here! I said to him, many times, please just send me what i've ordered and paid for, but he would not confirm this instead he kept on insisting he would send me his salt. He should have, without doubt, especially considering he's well aware of what most people are actually buying it from him for (or so i thought), have been able to figure out exactly what i wanted it for, from the many messages i sent him. However, it seemed like he actually wanted me to spell it out (which of course i wasn't going to do on WhatsApp), and when i refused to do so, it felt like he started playing games with me for some reason, as unbelievable as that sounds. To keep asking the questions that he did, and sending the replies that he did, even after it i made it absolutely clear to him why i really wanted it (without actually spelling it out), i do not understand. I even said many times, just to be nice, that i appreciate his concerns and that i know exactly what i've ordered and how to handle it safely etc, and to send me the SN please. Not that i should have had to go to these lengths at all, but he was leaving me no option because he kept saying he was going to send me Nitrite salt instead, which obviously i did not want. I felt like i had been backed up into a corner. I don't know why he did this to me, it felt so surreal that i started to think that he must be doing this on purpose for some reason to get out of sending me the SN, because i can't think of any other explanation.

Things spiralled so far out of control, that when i looked back at all the messages - whilst still engaging with him - i thought that if his WhatsApp has been compromised, i am 100% going to get a welfare check. Because of that, I told him, in the nicest possible way, to keep my money, cancel my order, and delete all my personal info. To which he replied, that he would do as i wish, and that if i didn't want the Nitrite salt (which is 0.6% SN btw) that he'd donate SOME of my money (but probably just keep most of it) to the Ukrainian army for the war effort. Unbelievable!! I could not believe, that after all that had been said, he was still going on about his Nitrite salt, despite me making it absolutely clear, at least 5 times, that i did not want the salt and that it was only the pure SN that i wanted. Honestly, i thought that either this guy is an effing idiot, he's doing this on purpose for some reason, he's on crack or meth or something similar, or it's not him i'm speaking to, i could come to no other conclusion. I say this because if it was him i was speaking to, and he's aware of and is ok with people buying SN from him to CTB, and he is of sound mind, then why tf did things end up the way they did. But still, me being the nice guy that i am, i told him to donate my money to the army, with the message "Slava UKraini".

Obviously i was very frustrated by all of this, and honestly, if i could copy and paste the whole WhatsApp chat on here (which i couldn't even if i was allowed to, as i've deleted it now) then i know everyone on here would be like, WTF too?

Looking back now, i realise that i should have probably not have asked any further questions after i placed my order, and things probably wouldn't have turned out like they did. However, despite losing my money, i'm kind of glad i cancelled my order, as i'm pretty sure that i would have received a welfare check, which, as i've already said, i absolutely did not want. Personally, if i didn't live with my parents then i wouldn't be too concerned about a welfare check, i'd just make up a story and stash the SN somewhere and tell the police that it was just spare of the moment thing and that i had disposed of it and i was ok, or something like that.

I'm sharing my experience to make my new community aware of what happened to me, so they can hopefully avoid it happening to them. I have nothing to gain by sharing this, in fact i am at a loss, i just thought it was my duty to do so. I feel like i was scammed, and i hate that. Whilst writing this something else occurred to me, so he obviously is legit right? (many on here have attested to that), but he could be playing some people on purpose (if he senses someone is worried) to reduce the amount of shipments he's making (whilst still getting peoples money), and by trying to send people Nitrite Salt to "balance things out" and make himself look (or try to look) less suspicious to authorities, idk, just another thought to explain the unusual and surprising behaviour, but thinking about it now, seems the most plausible explanation of his actions. I'm sure most people, if what happened to me happened to them, would back out of the transaction too, even after already paying (i'm talking about those concerned about welfare checks), so for him it's a win win, he gets to keep the money and the product. Literally money for nothing. Whilst this would obviously be very unethical behaviour, he's obviously not exactly in a very ethical business to begin with (from a normies perspective), LOL, so i wouldn't put it past him. It's not as if we can complain to anyone or ask for a refund or anything, but what we can do however, is to call this behaviour out to the community, because if he's doing similar to other customers and mine is not an isolated case, then the word will get out and people may think twice about dealing with this guy, or at least being prepared to lose their money, or get salt, LOL.

Anyway, everything happens for a reason, i'm past all that now, i'm moving on to CO, because i like charcoal and BBQ's so it seems like a good fit for me, LOL! But then again i like trains, i just don't want to traumatise a driver or those picking up the pieces.

Finally, if this was all just a big misunderstanding, and i completely misread the entire situation, then i apologise to DSL for everything that i have implied and for coming to the conclusions that I have, and I will take it all back if it was all my fault, LOL. But somehow, i feel that i may not be the only one to experience something like this.

It's good that you're being so honest here.

But it's not a good idea that you hinted at what you might do with the product. You might be putting the source at risk.

But maybe it can serve as a lesson to others. A "regular" customer doesn't write to a mail-order company saying they're afraid their parents will see their order and then launch into a bizarre debate about principles.

That should never happen again, in order to protect the source.

Hopefully, it will be a lesson to others.

Thank you for being so open about this.
 
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I'm sorry this was your experience and I understand this is frustrating, but you have to understand that this wasn't an issue on DSL's end like you're framing it to be, rather a series of mistakes you made. DSL operates under plausible deniability, and when you bring up concerns about ordering to the UK, along with having issues with your parents, DSL looses their footing to deny being involved in aiding suicide, and their ability to play dumb. People who are ordering for the cover hobbies sake aren't concerned about ordering to their country, nor are they concerned with what their parents will think. They also wouldn't give their life story when offered nitrite salt, rather would explain they want pure SN so they can mix in their own salt or something like that. When ordering, it's vital you play into the cover hobby, otherwise DSL looses plausible deniability and risks incriminating themself.

I know this wasn't your intentions, but what you shared with DSL makes you come across as a either a minor who is planning to use the product to harm yourself, a journalist who's trying to fuck with DSL again, or a shoddy cop trying to get them to incriminate themself. Given all the welfare checks to the U.K and other countries as of late, DSL is clearly compromised in some way or form, so they're obviously going to be extra guarded right now as well. I'm really not surprised they clamped down and acted the way they did.

Less is best when it comes to ordering from DSL. Like seriously, you don't want to say shit unless absolutely necessary, for example you need to order again due to issues with customs. I ordered last month and shared zero 1:1 communications with them, rather sticking to the automated service on the website itself. I payed by gift card, and quickly got a thank you message via Amazon, order confirmation via regular email, and lastly my tracking number a few days later.

You may still be able to salvage this though, by getting a P.O. Box, creating a new email, and not giving a phone number if your number is tied to them already. From my understanding you do not need a phone number to generate a tracking number, so you should be alright without it. Order through the website itself, not WhatsApp and don't say anything outside of giving them your shipping info. Be prepared for a welfare check though, as DSL is compromised, primarily in the U.K, as of now.
Thanks for your reply to my post, and thanks for actually making an effort to have a decent interaction with me and discuss things. I've already covered the things you imply was my fault in my responses to others, and honestly, please don't take this the wrong way, but i'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself trying to justify my actions and why i responded to his messages as i did. I've tried to give everyone as many facts as i could, so people realise that i did my best. Did i make a mistake, yes, i've admitted that, i should have not asked the question that i did. And the only reason i told him about my situation and why i lived with my parents, was so that hopefully he'd get the message of why i wanted it and quit asking me questions, it was my attempt to get the message across to him when he's asking me questions like "what do you really want the SN for?" I actually thought that was a great way to get my message across, but some of you don't think so. That said, and i'll say it again but in different words, i accept ultimate responsibility for how things worked out, because it was me who asked the first question, but yourself and others seem to be ignoring the fact that he asked me a series of questions that did not need to be asked, causing me to have to take decisive action and come up with creative responses. Would i change things and what i said, yes, no one is perfect, but considering this is his business and i'm new to all this, i was very surprised by his actions and the things that he said, he should know better than me to not be asking the questions that he did. Why people are making out that it was all my fault is beyond me, and quite frankly i've had enough of it now. I've said how things when down, and admitted i made mistakes, and it's seems that no matter what i say or how i try to justify my actions, there will always be some who blame me, regardless of what i say, in fact i'm probably wasting my time now with this reply.

Asya mentioned "plausible deniability", and i have just made another reply to them surrounding that so please read my response and all will become clear of why that doesn't stack up. For someone to "operate under plausible deniability" as you say, to say "SN" to me on WhatsApp when i referred to it as "food preservative" does not sound like some one who's trying to play dumb, nor does directly asking me "what do you really want the SN for?". He asked other questions too that someone who was trying to "play dumb" would not ask. I realise that you and others are trying to defend him, and i respect that if you had a positive experience and everything went well for you, that you would jump to his defence.

Once i realised things were getting out of hand, I repeatedly just asked "please send me what i have ordered, as that is what i require", as i did not want to say anything further. Also, as covered in my second reply to Asya, someone who was trying to play dumb and keep a low profile would not have a WhatsApp store, it seems a bit strange to me that someone who would have the concerns that you say he has, would have a WhatsApp store, where the main business model of WhatsApp, is to chat, to make conversation. Anyone who is as concerned as you say, would not have a WhatsApp store selling SN, i mean he's literally giving people a platform to ask questions. He obviously does not need WhatsApp as it can be purchased directly from his website, but when i used WhatsApp to ask a benign question before i ordered on the website, he sent me his WhatsApp store and a payment link on WhatsApp to complete the transaction on there.

You say i made a series of mistakes, but are completely ignoring the mistakes he made, including the things he said to me, i was actually trying to get him to not incriminate himself by referring to the SN as food preservative, hoping he would follow suit, as i did not want that kind of language on my WhatsApp history, but he kept saying SN.

Please don't take my reply the wrong way, i am not having a go at you, you actually put your message across very politely, so thanks for that. I'm just a bit frustrated that some people on here are making out it was all my fault, and some are even implying that i'm making things up, that i made the conversation about suicide, etc. Obviously they're very ignorant, low IQ kind of people, lunatics, LOL.

And that's 100% the last that i've got to say on that matter, any other and/or further replies i'll simply refer people to all my other responses, i've gave more than enough details and spent far too much time on it. God, i've only been a member for 2 days and my first post has created such a stir that i feel like leaving and deleting my account if this is how it's going to be. I joined here to speak to likeminded individuals and share any relevant experiences, not to face hostility and have to defend myself and my actions, and have members make up lies about me etc, what a nightmare. Everyone on here is already suffering in some way, that's why we're all on here, so i thought that a site like this would be the last place that people would pick on others, how wrong i was, why can't everyone just be nice and polite to each other? Manners cost nothing! You have criticised me, but you did it in a polite way and didn't disrespect me. I think this experience might actually speed up the process of me CTB-ing i suppose, LOL.

Oh, and thanks for your recommendations on how to salvage things, much appreciated, but i think i'll look towards something else now, as i've realised i can't run the risk of a welfare check.
 
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