Method Nitrous oxide as a method?

[Intoxicated]

When I checked, r134(-26C) is about 3 times less cold than n20(-88.5C)when released directly from cylinder.

I think, I made it clear in previous posts that the temperature of the gas released from the cylinder significantly differs from the boiling point of the gas at the standard atmospheric pressure. N₂O coming from the cylinder is much warmer than -88.5 °C.

 

[sm1the]

I think, I made it clear in previous posts that the temperature of the gas released from the cylinder significantly differs from the boiling point of the gas at the standard atmospheric pressure. N₂O coming from the cylinder is much warmer than -88.5 °C.

Yes of course,and I really appreciated all the info.I just had no idea N2 was that much colder than N2O .
I'm not worried about it anymore.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

Will probably CTB today with nitrous. Check my CTB thread as if I don't update it in the next few days, it means I was successful and am at peace. :)
I'm using a standard black bin liner which in the UK are usually about 80-90 litres. It has four little 'legs' coming out of the opening which makes the sealing a little awkward but nothing impossible, I just hope I'm not dealing with too much air getting in. Maybe I should have shopped around for a slightly bigger and heavier duty bag with a more conventional opening (none of the 'handles' or legs) but I want to at least attempt today. Will report back if unsuccessful, assuming no major health complications. Worst case is I probably just get high? lol

 

[Intoxicated]

Will probably CTB today with nitrous.

Have you tested full LOC with it in order to know what to expect?

 

[OzymandiAsh]

Have you tested full LOC with it in order to know what to expect?

No, I suppose I could take some deep inhales from the canister and hold it in until I lost consciousness, to test it. But I have tested it enough to be confident that losing consciousness should be easy and simple enough.

Also I wasn't confident about the black bags I had, so I went out and bought some more, one roll is 70L and seems basically the same capacity as the ones I mentioned before, but I also got a whopping 300L wheelie bin bag roll, neither with the annoying handles. I will probably be using this one instead, filling it up maybe half way.

 

[android]

Will probably CTB today with nitrous. Check my CTB thread as if I don't update it in the next few days, it means I was successful and am at peace. :)
I'm using a standard black bin liner which in the UK are usually about 80-90 litres. It has four little 'legs' coming out of the opening which makes the sealing a little awkward but nothing impossible, I just hope I'm not dealing with too much air getting in. Maybe I should have shopped around for a slightly bigger and heavier duty bag with a more conventional opening (none of the 'handles' or legs) but I want to at least attempt today. Will report back if unsuccessful, assuming no major health complications. Worst case is I probably just get high? lol

Do not use a bin bag

They have lots of tiny little holes in them to protect children from suffocating

!!!!

 

[sm1the]

Do not use a bin bag

They have lots of tiny little holes in them to protect children from suffocating

!!!!

I just checked. This is only for smaller packaging bags,clothes bags etc from what I found.
Garbage bags are somewhat air permeable though but not as result of deliberate means from my understanding.
Where specific does it say bin bags are affected?

 

[android]

I just checked. This is only for smaller packaging bags,clothes bags etc from what I found.
Garbage bags are somewhat air permeable though but not as result of deliberate means from my understanding.
Where specific does it say bin bags are affected?

I really wouldnt risk it. Could you try to get the bags used for blood or perhaps just a more heavy duty bag I.e. ones used for construction material

 

[sm1the]

I really wouldnt risk it. Could you try to get the bags used for blood or perhaps just a more heavy duty bag I.e. ones used for construction material

Where did u see the info about holes in garbage bags?
Also a blood bag is pretty small.

Have you tested full LOC with it in order to know what to expect?

Is a 25L bag still what u consider a good size for this?(I think u mentioned 25l before)?

 

[sm1the]

I don't know if anyone has ever used a n2o analyzer/tester with this method but I have been trying to find one for some time.
Most were $3k upwards but recently found a pretty decent one with good quality sensor(name brand) for around $500 (3% accuracy).
I didn't get it though because I was unsure about testing.

 

[sm1the]

Before nitrous oxide, I was considering propane-butane and tetrafluoroethane (R134a), which I can obtain in relatively large cylinders, and I decided that I'd rather place a prefilled bag over the head anyway, since this seems simpler for me to do correctly.

Do u know anything about if/how ppl with COPD would have any difficulties with N2O method?.
Regarding N2,PPH books and Exit site on line have a somewhat unclear position because I have read- COPD sufferers shouldn't do N2 and also COPD sufferers may have difficulties with N2.(not exact wording).
Obviously even with COPD you can't survive less than 6% O2 environment but it may cause suffering I'm guessing.
I don't have severe COPD yet,I don't use oxygen.just inhalers.
One of the reasons I switched from N2 to n2o was COPD though when I read that it may have Anaesthetic effects .

 

[LittleJem]

Am looking at this thread and wanted to (bump) it for comment...

 

[Eudaimonic]

Do u know anything about if/how ppl with COPD would have any difficulties with N2O method?.
Regarding N2,PPH books and Exit site on line have a somewhat unclear position because I have read- COPD sufferers shouldn't do N2 and also COPD sufferers may have difficulties with N2.(not exact wording).
Obviously even with COPD you can't survive less than 6% O2 environment but it may cause suffering I'm guessing.
I don't have severe COPD yet,I don't use oxygen.just inhalers.
One of the reasons I switched from N2 to n2o was COPD though when I read that it may have Anaesthetic effects .

Idk for sure, but N2O is known to attenuate dyspnea, unlike N2, so it might not have the same contraindication

 

[sm1the]

Idk for sure, but N2O is known to attenuate dyspnea, unlike N2, so it might not have the same contraindication

Yes I'm aware of that thanks to comments on this thread.
I did read somewhere ,several months ago on sasu(I think) where someone mentioned n2o being easier on COPD patients but can't seem to find that.
I also read something about n2o dialating blood vessels or something which makes it easier on COPD ppl.
My memory is quite bad so pls don't rely on the above.
I do wonder if N2(EEBD or others) with continuous flow minimizing Co2 vs n2o(non-flow type system) is still easier or not.

 

[weewillywoo]

I've been planning on using 25g SN but was strongly debating adding Nitrous oxide to it as a way to knock me out during any potential physical distress

In this instance I'd want to use a sealed tent like space filled with nitrous vs putting a bag over my head due to the vomiting associated with SN, or maybe I should just think of having balloons full of Nitrous to suck down after taking the SN to make the transition to unconsciousness less distressing?

 

[sm1the]

I did a little bit more reading concerning COPD and N2O.
I read that N2O can possibly collapse the lungs in COPD patients but others mention unconsciousness is rapid enough that it should not matter.
I'm still not sure if this is something to be concerned about.
Anyone here that thinks N2O is/isn't a good idea for ppl with COPD?
I certainly don't mind a little discomfort to end suffering altogether but if I can avoid my final monents being just more suffering obviously I will prefer that,perhaps by planning better? I don't know.
Its extremely hard to concentrate on planning better,gathering more knowledge when you are in physical pain.
Hope everyone is doing OK.
I did a little bit more reading concerning COPD and N2O.
I read that N2O can possibly collapse the lungs in COPD patients but others mention unconsciousness is rapid enough that it should not matter.
I'm still not sure if this is something to be concerned about.
Anyone here that thinks N2O is/isn't a good idea for ppl with COPD?
I also looked up GERD in relation to N2O.I learnt that because N2O can cause vomiting due to relaxing the eosaphageal sphincter it is particularly concerning to ppl with GERD or severe heartburn.You could end up vomiting in the bag ,aspirating etc and lengthening time to LOC.
I read that AE's could help but not by a large margin.
I certainly don't mind a little discomfort to end suffering altogether but if I can avoid my final monents being just more suffering obviously I will prefer that,perhaps by planning better? I don't know.
Its extremely hard to concentrate on planning better,gathering more knowledge when you are in physical pain.

I did read this all due to having both COPD and GERD.I would ask anyone who's more ACTUALLY knowledgeable to please double check these points as my mind is not sharp atm.

Hope everyone is doing well.