Method My ctb plan, SN + gas/NN

[hedezev4]

So, here is my plan that I have been thinking about for a 2 weeks. Please feel free to criticize it and suggest any ideas.
What I want to achieve is a CTB variant extremely close to 99.9%, with a 0.01% chance of saving, easy and pleasant to execute.
Method ctb - to start with SN as the simplest for SI (for me). After there are 4 variants of development of events.
To start with, I will describe 4 CTB methods that can be used in my plan.

1)Standard SN protocol, 2 days of Meto, propranolol, throat spray with lidocaine, no benzos, no antacids, coca cola for mouthwash, lozenges.
2) Mask without CO2 outlet, connected to a bag filled with gas, N2O or helium in my case.
I will use helium in a cylinder, which has a low compression level, so that using it in a hotel is not too loud.
N2O in 8g canisters (about 40 pieces) in case the noise is not that loud, but N2O is easier to work with since it is less volatile and has an anesthetic effect.
3) Night night standard with endless ratchet strap, and a couple more attachments if it doesn't work with cornhole bags.
4) Rope jump, decapitation.


Complete action plan:
Take all the components and head to the hotel, book for two nights.
Check-in time is midday to prepare and test everything, close the curtains.
Start preparing the mask and bag, check for leaks, how quickly unconsciousness occurs.
Prepare a rope for an emergency jump as an extreme precaution.
Prepare everything needed on the bed or sofa so that after taking SN there's no need to get up (it may cause loss of consciousness — fall, can summon help).
Watch favorite movies until 22:30, start the gas into the bag, and get it ready for breathing.
I will mix SN with water, 3 drinks.
I'll take an iron telescopic bar (a table leg) and attach it at the level of the door handle to the walls using construction tape, tie it to the door handle, so that when opening, it doesn't give way and the door cannot be opened from outside.
I'll take black construction plastic film and completely seal the corridor with the door (the one that opens your hotel room) and tape it with insulating tape, in the gap (between the door and the film), place a sheet with the inscription "(cyanide/hydrogen sulfide), do not enter, deadly danger, poison"
At 23:00, start taking SN, and then act according to the circumstances.
If not feeling too bad, I will watch my favorite movie and enjoy the last moment.
If feeling bad, then 15 minutes after taking SN, I start the gas plan.
I perform artificial ventilation, exhale as much air as possible, put on the pre-prepared mask with gas, seal it with tape or optionally take a gas mask and slightly modify it, connected to a 50–80 liter bag filled with N2O/helium.
Once I put it on and secure it tightly, I start breathing slowly and deeply. Two breaths (here I'm not sure, needs to be tested beforehand), then I start blowing with a closed mouth with all my strength, this will further lower arterial pressure, therefore speeding up loss of consciousness.
In the end, it should be a mega combo: propranolol, SN, lack of oxygen in the lungs, and almost a Villeneuve maneuver.
If something goes wrong, no loss of consciousness occurs, maybe the gas leaked out, or there's too much oxygen in the bag, or something else, then I abandon this method.
Now I do the standard night night, doesn't work? I try different pre-prepared pads to change the pressure area on the arteries.
By this time, I will most likely lose consciousness and die within 15-30 minutes. But what if hotel staff break in because of noise or a hidden camera in the room? And they are met with a barrier of opaque film with a sign saying '(cyanide/hydrogen sulfide), do not enter, deadly danger.' This will give enough time for death using SN + NN/gas.
They will have to call special forces to enter such a poisonous room, which takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to enter the room, giving me enough time to die.
The only chance of survival is if they break in at the right timing, 15 minutes after SN, when you just started gas or NN.
There is a tiny chance, 0.01–0.001%, that those who enter after breaking in will ignore the sign and still come in.
The fourth method is just in case, you never know what might happen.
The downside is that I will end up in the news. The hotel will be evacuated, special forces will arrive, and the media will appear.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to do the part with the fake cyanide/hydrogen sulfide sign and sealed room. I'm still thinking about it.

One of my questions about fasting — I'm not quite sure if sleep counts as fasting or not. For example, I wake up after 8 hours of sleep and haven't eaten for 4 hours since then. Is that considered 12 hours of fasting or just 4 hours?

I'm not encouraging anyone to CTB. If you're having CTB thoughts, you should find help!

 

[quietwoods]

So, here is my plan that I have been thinking about for a 2 weeks. Please feel free to criticize it and suggest any ideas.
What I want to achieve is a CTB variant extremely close to 99.9%, with a 0.01% chance of saving, easy and pleasant to execute.
Method ctb - to start with SN as the simplest for SI (for me). After there are 4 variants of development of events.
To start with, I will describe 4 CTB methods that can be used in my plan.

1)Standard SN protocol, 2 days of Meto, propranolol, throat spray with lidocaine, no benzos, no antacids, coca cola for mouthwash, lozenges.
2) Mask without CO2 outlet, connected to a bag filled with gas, N2O or helium in my case.
I will use helium in a cylinder, which has a low compression level, so that using it in a hotel is not too loud.
N2O in 8g canisters (about 40 pieces) in case the noise is not that loud, but N2O is easier to work with since it is less volatile and has an anesthetic effect.
3) Night night standard with endless ratchet strap, and a couple more attachments if it doesn't work with cornhole bags.
4) Rope jump, decapitation.


Complete action plan:
Take all the components and head to the hotel, book for two nights.
Check-in time is midday to prepare and test everything, close the curtains.
Start preparing the mask and bag, check for leaks, how quickly unconsciousness occurs.
Prepare a rope for an emergency jump as an extreme precaution.
Prepare everything needed on the bed or sofa so that after taking SN there's no need to get up (it may cause loss of consciousness — fall, can summon help).
Watch favorite movies until 22:30, start the gas into the bag, and get it ready for breathing.
I will mix SN with water, 3 drinks.
I'll take an iron telescopic bar (a table leg) and attach it at the level of the door handle to the walls using construction tape, tie it to the door handle, so that when opening, it doesn't give way and the door cannot be opened from outside.
I'll take black construction plastic film and completely seal the corridor with the door (the one that opens your hotel room) and tape it with insulating tape, in the gap (between the door and the film), place a sheet with the inscription "(cyanide/hydrogen sulfide), do not enter, deadly danger, poison"
At 23:00, start taking SN, and then act according to the circumstances.
If not feeling too bad, I will watch my favorite movie and enjoy the last moment.
If feeling bad, then 15 minutes after taking SN, I start the gas plan.
I perform artificial ventilation, exhale as much air as possible, put on the pre-prepared mask with gas, seal it with tape or optionally take a gas mask and slightly modify it, connected to a 50–80 liter bag filled with N2O/helium.
Once I put it on and secure it tightly, I start breathing slowly and deeply. Two breaths (here I'm not sure, needs to be tested beforehand), then I start blowing with a closed mouth with all my strength, this will further lower arterial pressure, therefore speeding up loss of consciousness.
In the end, it should be a mega combo: propranolol, SN, lack of oxygen in the lungs, and almost a Villeneuve maneuver.
If something goes wrong, no loss of consciousness occurs, maybe the gas leaked out, or there's too much oxygen in the bag, or something else, then I abandon this method.
Now I do the standard night night, doesn't work? I try different pre-prepared pads to change the pressure area on the arteries.
By this time, I will most likely lose consciousness and die within 15-30 minutes. But what if hotel staff break in because of noise or a hidden camera in the room? And they are met with a barrier of opaque film with a sign saying '(cyanide/hydrogen sulfide), do not enter, deadly danger.' This will give enough time for death using SN + NN/gas.
They will have to call special forces to enter such a poisonous room, which takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to enter the room, giving me enough time to die.
The only chance of survival is if they break in at the right timing, 15 minutes after SN, when you just started gas or NN.
There is a tiny chance, 0.01–0.001%, that those who enter after breaking in will ignore the sign and still come in.
The fourth method is just in case, you never know what might happen.
The downside is that I will end up in the news. The hotel will be evacuated, special forces will arrive, and the media will appear.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to do the part with the fake cyanide/hydrogen sulfide sign and sealed room. I'm still thinking about it.

One of my questions about fasting — I'm not quite sure if sleep counts as fasting or not. For example, I wake up after 8 hours of sleep and haven't eaten for 4 hours since then. Is that considered 12 hours of fasting or just 4 hours?

I'm not encouraging anyone to CTB. If you're having CTB thoughts, you should find help!

I just made a post you can find further down about fasting. 12 is the absolutely max you want to go fasting. 8 is the sweet spot, you can get away with 6 too most likely.

Regarding using inert gas as a backup, not recommended at all. There's a ~80% (don't quote me on the exact percentage) chance you are going to throw up, even with AE, after consuming SN.

You can probably infer the problem of wearing a mask over your head and throwing up.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Just stick with one method.

 

[hedezev4]

I just made a post you can find further down about fasting. 12 is the absolutely max you want to go fasting. 8 is the sweet spot, you can get away with 6 too most likely.

Regarding using inert gas as a backup, not recommended at all. There's a ~80% (don't quote me on the exact percentage) chance you are going to throw up, even with AE, after consuming SN.

You can probably infer the problem of wearing a mask over your head and throwing up.

Yes, I saw your post, but no one writes about it anywhere, and I agree — 8 hours is the maximum. But I still don't understand whether sleep counts as fasting or not.
And about the mask and vomiting — is it really a problem if it happens while unconscious?

 

[quietwoods]

Yes, I saw your post, but no one writes about it anywhere, and I agree — 8 hours is the maximum. But I still don't understand whether sleep counts as fasting or not.
And about the mask and vomiting — is it really a problem if it happens while unconscious?

Sleep counts as fasting. There's a reason it's called breakfast. Break fast. Breaking your fast. Body doesn't stop digestion.

And I would consider vomiting and the mask to be a major issue. There's no guarantee you'll do it while unconscious, and even if you did, vomiting could loosen the seal of the mask or make you move in a way that disrupts the inert gas setup. A common method of failure for inert gas is movement while unconscious.

This is all assuming you are able to properly do inert gas while under the effects of SN poisoning. Inert gas is one of the more involved methods, its already harder to pull off right while not poisoned.

I would concentrate on doing one method well. Leave the others as a backup for another time. Don't add complexity to an already failure-prone process.

 

[hedezev4]

Sleep counts as fasting. There's a reason it's called breakfast. Break fast. Breaking your fast. Body doesn't stop digestion.

And I would consider vomiting and the mask to be a major issue. There's no guarantee you'll do it while unconscious, and even if you did, vomiting could loosen the seal of the mask or make you move in a way that disrupts the inert gas setup. A common method of failure for inert gas is movement while unconscious.

This is all assuming you are able to properly do inert gas while under the effects of SN poisoning. Inert gas is one of the more involved methods, its already harder to pull off right while not poisoned.

I would concentrate on doing one method well. Leave the others as a backup for another time. Don't add complexity to an already failure-prone process.

Thank you for the response. English is not my native language, so I hadn't noticed that it's actually a phrase — break and fast.

Yes, you're probably right, and I will use SN as the main method, and NN as a backup in case of severe pain or suffering. But the chances are small, judging by how most people describe their experience during the CTB process with SN.

 

[oceansdust19]

I just made a post you can find further down about fasting. 12 is the absolutely max you want to go fasting. 8 is the sweet spot, you can get away with 6 too most likely.

Regarding using inert gas as a backup, not recommended at all. There's a ~80% (don't quote me on the exact percentage) chance you are going to throw up, even with AE, after consuming SN.

You can probably infer the problem of wearing a mask over your head and throwing up.

What does AE stand for here?

 

[spero_meliora]

What does AE stand for here?

AE stands for "antiemetic", a type of medicine used to prevent nausea/vomiting

 

[swankysoup]

How good is the night-night method? I read people struggling with it.

 

[hedezev4]

How good is the night-night method? I read people struggling with it.

I think people overcomplicate things, and that the tightening force of the ratchet is sufficient together with the surface area of the cornhole bags. They're big enough that I don't think it even makes sense to look for the "perfect" spot.
It's enough to place them on the neck, and the strap at the level of the Adam's apple or slightly above.
I just tested it with kitchen scales, and I can tighten the ratchet with about 8–10 kg of force without much trouble (I put the strap around my leg and placed the scales in between — then it's hard to pull and the scales turn off since they're not designed for that weight).
You need to take it more seriously if you're using something small, like socks with or without filler inside.
I won't experiment with this method, because the ratchet might be difficult to release, especially in a panic situation, and I'm not ready for ctb yet.
But when I'm in the hotel, this won't be the main method, because I'm not confident enough in it.
And then, if I feel really bad from the SN, I'll try NN, and if I don't lose consciousness within 10–15 seconds, I'll try to remove it — that would mean the arteries didn't compress.

I just wouldn't recommend using a bad ratchet or Gorilla Tape.
Use a ratchet like the one the method's author uses.