Discussion Methods for actually seeing the afterlife / NDE

[imnotcoercive]

I am making these assumptions here:

• I believe that NDEs / visions of the afterlife are DMT trips
• I believe they don't always happen
• The DMT trip is only "death-themed" if the brain is aware of impending death (seeing your whole life flash by, seeing angels, floating towards the light, …)

It seems that researchers believe that DMT is released in high stress situations and/or "to protect neurons from oxygen deprivation".

I therefore conclude that not all methods are equal when it comes to the experience of entering death. And it's important to me that if I ever CTB that I get the full experience.

For instance, going out via jumping from a really high place or (somehow) via explosion I suspect are just straight to darkness.

Asphyxiation/drowning very likely include the DMT trip because that's both stressful and includes oxygen deprivation. But asphyxiation fucking sucks.

About FSH I'm not sure because the blood supply is cut off from the brain. I'm not sure the brain even 'gets to do anything' anymore. It also seems like people pass out pretty quick so I don't know if you even get to experience anything anymore.

I guess I'm looking for a method that would allow me to have such a vision of afterlife but isn't quite as torturous and difficult to do as self-asphyxiation. Thoughts?

 

[rkk3]

i believe people that were clinically dead never saw the afterlife you have to be biologically dead for that
i dont like peoples ndes how about you
my method is sn if i didnt have sn i would have to drown which is so much work

 

[Seneca65AD]

I'm not sure about a method that would allow one to have an NDE experience, but personally I'm not convinced that NDE's are a result of DMT trips. Studies in the area suggest NDE's result in knowledge that could not be explained by the results of DMT trips. However, you were very clear in your assumptions so I don't want to hi-jack the thread.

A research paper done by Rosen in 1975 found that survivors of jumping each had some features of NDE's. Admittedly the research sample is very small. There are newer studies on the issue and a very cursory glance suggests NDE's are common regardless of suicide method.

 

[imnotcoercive]

Thanks! Did you find anything specifically on hanging?

Also, dig your username. He caught the bus by bleeding out in a tub iirc(?)

 

[Seneca65AD]

Thanks! Did you find anything specifically on hanging?

Also, dig your username. He caught the bus by bleeding out in a tub iirc(?)

I did find some anecdotal evidence of people who hanged themselves having feelings of warmth, love and peace, but haven't tracked down any formal studies. Anything I come across tends to be a look at suicide and NDE's as a whole with little differentiation between methodology (with the exception of Rosen).

Also, good memory about Seneca the younger - he cut himself several times but wasn't bleeding out fast enough, had a buddy prep some poison which did not work so he hopped in the bathtub and checked out. Interesting aspect is that he only committed suicide after being ordered to by Nero.

 

[justgarbage]

The Monroe Institute Gateway tapes claim to be able to do this over years of practice.

 

[6486159051]

You know when people are like, "I saw angels and my ancestors coming to greet me <3"?

All the dead relatives I have met were abusive and hated me as a child... so if I die and these people come to greet me with love, I will laugh myself to a second death.

 

[imnotcoercive]

Just to add that this is also why I'd never use a firearm. The brain must remain physically unharmed.

 

[NaiveRealist]

Ketamine is another drug that purportedly can induce experiences resembling NDEs. I wouldn't recommend this, but I thought about injecting a high dose of ketamine with a noose around my neck, which may result in a kind of NDE before losing consciousness.

However, as you also wrote, with hanging you become unconscious quickly, so the experience wouldn't last long if you had it. Although, a common features of NDEs is that perception of time is heavily warped, so the couple of seconds it takes to lose consciousness with hanging might still be enough to get a subjectively satisfactory NDE. I don't know enough about NDEs to tell though.

 

[purebliss]

I would maybe take a look at 5-MeO-DMT.
This is a chemical that is 5–20 times more potent than normal N-DMT

This drug changed lives for people. Some got cured of their permanent depression, some had conversations with a being similar to "God" as they describe.
I really think that what you see on DMT might actually be what you see when your soul permanently leaves your body.
Even if it is just the "gateway".

I have ordered DMT Myself and expect it to arrive on Monday (hopefully).
I might be alive then or not. Depends on terrified I am when the SN is in front of me

 

[SoverignDreamer97]

There are four rules of death:

1. You cannot experience death, for it will be like being put under anesthesia.
2. Suicide is not a sin that leads to hell (separation), but rather it is unbelief. (John 3:16-21)
3. In spite of what you do to make your exit foolproof, there is always that one percent chance you'll survive, because it simply "wasn't your time yet".
4. The world hates liabilities and would rather they not exist, yet the rules also dictate that all life is inherently valuable.

Therefore, "control the things you can control, one step at a time." ~Suncha Ferriera (The Victus Group)/Matthew 13:12

 

[bl33ding_heart]

I honestly used to prefer a non instant death over dying instantly. Because the idea of dying instantly and lacking the awareness beforehand terrified me. I preferred to actually be able to experience the process of dying and be aware that I am actually dying. But I don't know if that would even be worth it at all. Even if you die instantly and don't get to experience some form of consciousness before the lights go out, at least it's not painful at all and survival instincts won't make your final moments feel fearful.