Kanye West and bipolar

[trying ungracefully]

I think Kanye doesn't deserve complete forgiveness for the things he has done but I do think he deserves understanding. Understanding that Bipolar can change you into someone you never imagined and that will give you shame for the rest of your life. It doesn't mean these actions and opinions were okay it just means that he has a disorder that effects how he acts at times. He was not properly medicated and that is because it is a thing with bipolar people to think you are fine, that every one else is just against you and that you are the one with the higher thinking.

It makes me upset to see "I am bipolar and would have never done that". Like are they an individual with bipolar or a group of bipolar people? It is a spectrum where I have bipolar 1, my brother bipolar 2, and we aren't the same as each other or the next bipolar person we see. My therapist told me about her friend who was found states away and homeless while with me I was not wanting to be home anymore but I always came back because I knew I had to be safe in that way.

He did horrible things and he is not excused from it but you can't say that just because you would have never done it, it means that secretly that is who he is as a person. I believed the Chinese were after me and watching me, that was racist, but did I believe that when I was fine? No. I don't have any opinions of the Chinese just like I was before.

I also see it as, these people with bipolar who are saying this view themselves as their disorder, it is just who they are. They can't make the separation that bipolar effects your actions and who you are as a result of your actions. I will be honest, I slapped my boyfriend while in manic psychosis and I have no memory of that. It doesn't mean that I am an abusive person, my boyfriend and I can separate that I did it and it really effected him but that "wasn't me". Idk a better way to word it, I know it was me but my brain was being effected and I had horrifying delusions about my boyfriend that resulted in that violence.

You have to take accountability as someone with bipolar and your actions can effect people to the point they don't want to associate with you. But it doesn't mean that's who you are as a person. Mania distorts the world around you and it is like you are on a different planet while needing to be on this planet. So many things can become triggers into delusions too. Psychosis that comes from not sleeping for days is even worse and not a thing is clear anymore.

I just wish people would stop comparing their bipolar to his, especially when they have bipolar 2, that is way different.

Mentally illness is far from being understood on the larger level even with people who have mental illness. They are closed minded in their own way and don't want to open up their world because it would be too hard to see nuances in situations. Someone can do bad things but also be good in other ways. Someone can't just be one thing because humans are complex and don't fit a perfect mold of what you imagine.

 

[Quantum_Marten0302]

Why do you care about kanye west?

 

[trying ungracefully]

Why do you care about kanye west?

I care about bipolar and how people are affected by bipolar.

Idk how you could get what you said out of my post.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I suppose none of us know what we are capable of during a psychotic period. Those of us who don't suffer are lucky ultimately. Surely though- there are periods of lucidity?

It sounds as if you can look back at times your condition made you paranoid and volatile. If a condition causes you to sexually assualt and batter someone- if the allegations are true- wouldn't there then be a horror you may act like that again?

I can't say I know much about the case but, there seem to be multiple accusations. If you know you aren't a safe person to be around during certain phases- isn't the responsible thing to have a plan in place to ensure others are kept out of harms way during those times?

If the real person is a responsible and kind one- shouldn't they be doing more to control the times they know they won't be in control?

I don't know how possible that is for the average person on an average salary but I imagine someone wealthy could create safe spaces for themselves and everyone else. It sounds a bit like a Jekyl and Hyde situation.

I can understand maybe that the out of control periods can feel so real that they become that person's new reality. That the threats or whatever seem real. That they no longer have control over their lust or temper. But, even then- are there really no people around them they can trust to see that phase coming on and get them somewhere where they won't hurt others? Especially with his wealth.

It isn't just a judgement of the times he was out of control though- surely. It's the knowledge that he could act like that but presumably still put himself in situations where he could continue to offend.

To a far lesser degree- I've struggled with binge eating in the past. I had a whole long list of trigger foods that I simply had to avoid because I knew I couldn't trust myself around them. I find it difficult to believe there's not more he could have done in his lucid moments to try to limit the damage he would likely do when he wasn't so in control.

 

[trying ungracefully]

Surely though- there are periods of lucidity?

For me no, not until I got medicated. Even then a lot of delusions stuck because it takes a while to find the right medication especially when you're manic trying to resist medication. It took me more than a year to find medication after my first manic episode.

the allegations are true- wouldn't there then be a horror you may act like that again?

Yes which is why you have to have safe guards in place as a bipolar person. It doesn't mean that's who you are though. If you know you aren't a safe person to be around during certain phases- isn't the responsible thing to have a plan in place to ensure

isn't the responsible thing to have a plan in place to ensure others are kept out of harms way during those times?

Yes that's the general consensus with bipolar people. Doesn't mean it's always what happens

If the real person is a responsible and kind one- shouldn't they be doing more to control the times they know they won't be in control?

Yes which is why bipolar people get on medication if they are not resistant to treatment. Treatment resistance is a thing with bipolar disorder.

I know the damage I can cause and I'm completely fine now but I still have the thought I want to go off my meds because maybe I'm not bipolar

don't know how possible that is for the average person on an average salary but I imagine someone wealthy could create safe spaces for themselves and everyone else. It sounds a bit like a Jekyl and Hyde situation.

Wealth can't solve something that's wrong with the brain. They can get the best everything but that doesn't mean they are going to be okay. It's like depressed people on here, some I imagine have a lot of money, they are still looking for suicide methods and wanting to die.

But, even then- are there really no people around them they can trust to see that phase coming on and get them somewhere where they won't hurt others? Especially with his wealth

Yes it can distort your view so much that no one can be trusted even the people who have loved and cared for you the most. Again though wealth solves nothing with bipolar or mental issues.

Also to give a real life example, my brother ended up going to a residential a very famous celebrity went to. Kids were abused there and there weren't even running toilets.

presumably still put himself in situations where he could continue to offend

In my opinion, I think no one with a mental disorder wants to have symptoms of their disorder consciously.

find it difficult to believe there's not more he could have done in his lucid moments to try to limit the damage he would likely do when he wasn't so in control.

We don't know if he even had one lucid moment.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yes it can distort your view so much that no one can be trusted even the people who have loved and cared for you the most. Again though wealth solves nothing with bipolar or mental issues.

Sadly, I'm sure you're right. Wealth may afford more thorough diagnosis and treatment options but that may not cure the condition itself.

Wealth however would assumedly afford the person to take time away from work and from other people if they are likely to be violent towards them or sexually assault them.

Of course- it would require some self knowledge on their part. That they were in fact in the grips of a more volatile period. Also to accept that they needed to isolate themselves during that.

Not having experienced that, I can't judge how possible that is- for a person to realise they are beginning to act unreasonably/ dangerously.

Really sadly I suppose- if you are correct. If a person is utterly controlled by their condition and never has a moment of lucidity- we may never know what they are like deep down.

I suppose it's difficult for the more neurotypical to grasp what it must be like to be utterly out of control the entire time. We perhaps all have had times where we've snapped under pressure or we've fallen under addiction to some degree. In those moments, it can be much much harder to stick to who we believe we are. I suppose personally, I see that as the real test of myself.

The majority of the time, I would say I'm reasonably placid. Not exactly a positive force to be around but not entirely difficult to work with- say. A fair bit of it is a natural state but some is self regulation. Under pressure though- I've sometimes become irritable and snappy. That isn't me necessarily. It's me in moments of tiredness and pressure. But- isn't that still me or- is it actually the real me? How do we define who we actually are? Aren't we all- to some extent affected by genes, our ability to cope in certain situations and our natural tendencies and any baggage we've brought up along the way?

Are we all altruistic and kind deep down? Are some people genuinely unpleasant or, are all people who act in violent, bullying ways in the grips of something they can't control?