Isn't it crazy some of this shit even happens?

[Zoltiel]

They need to just have a class in high school where they read and study this forum so kids know exactly what NOT to do in life. Many of our mistakes that landed us here could have been avoided easily.

Before finding this forum, I had NO idea that all these psychiatric drugs have such DEVASTATING effects that drive people to suicide. I was recently even planning to visit a psychiatrist to get help with the thoughts that rape my mind that I have just been living with. I probably would have blindly accepted whatever drugs they would have given me, and ended up here anyways.

Life is comical.

 

[HorribleFeelings1]

I agree with how high school should teach children about mental health. It's a shame but as far as I know, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

 

[Backwood_tilt]

as far as I know, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

From what i understand there is a much bigger focus on emotional health for kids in school nowadays. It probably varies from district to district but this is a general thing i've read and heard.

 

[HorribleFeelings1]

It does varies from district to district but my school didn't have that, nowadays you just have to be lucky if your school genuinely cares about mental health and does something

 

[Broken Chimera]

That'll never happen where I live. They only care about lining their pockets with more money.

Before finding this forum, I had NO idea that all these psychiatric drugs have such DEVASTATING effects that drive people to suicide. I was recently even planning to visit a psychiatrist to get help with the thoughts that rape my mind that I have just been living with. I probably would have blindly accepted whatever drugs they would have given me, and ended up here anyways.

Yeah. And those drugs can mess people up for years, even after they stop taking them. And yet that's the only solution "normal" people provide. It's sad.

 

[Flippy]

Yesterday I would have disagreed with the idea that meds can mess you up. After what I've been told today I'm pretty annoyed that I've been putting the chemicals in my system for years for apparently no good reason. They messed up my ability to sleep and caused me to gain weight like crazy besides some other things. I was talking them because I believed they were helping. I wish I had never put on a chemical rollercoaster in the first place. >:-( I believed the pros outweighed the cons.

 

[HorribleFeelings1]

Yesterday I would have disagreed with the idea that meds can mess you up. After what I've been told today I'm pretty annoyed that I've been putting the chemicals in my system for years for apparently no good reason. They messed up my ability to sleep and caused me to gain weight like crazy besides some other things. I was talking them because I believed they were helping. I wish I had never put on a chemical rollercoaster in the first place. >:-( I believed the pros outweighed the cons.

This is why I never take any drugs for my depression or mental state, I hate chemicals changing my way of thinking and afraid of the side effects, now I'm happier I didn't take anything

 

[BlueWidow]

When I was a teenager, which was back in the 1980s, I became a ward of the state and I was forcibly given all kinds of psychiatric meds. I was made to take them whether they made me feel better or not, and no matter what the side effects were. I'll never know the effect those drugs had on me and are still having on me to this day. But I have no doubt that they screwed up my still developing teenage brain and probably other systems in my body as well. And it was all perfectly legal because I was a ward of the state and I had absolutely no rights of any kind. I was passed around like an unwanted package.

 

[Flippy]

This is why I never take any drugs for my depression or mental state, I hate chemicals changing my way of thinking and afraid of the side effects, now I'm happier I didn't take anything

I really wish that I had refused the first anti depressant that they offered me. I had read that some people had suddenly ctb after being on it for a while. But I was feeling so unwell I just thought they knew best. I did express some concerns but was reassured that it was fine. A few months later I was in a really bad way, and I really wonder now if it could have been avoided.

 

[HorribleFeelings1]

I really wish that I had refused the first anti depressant that they offered me. I had read that some people had suddenly ctb after being on it for a while. But I was feeling so unwell I just thought they knew best. I did express some concerns but was reassured that it was fine. A few months later I was in a really bad way, and I really wonder now if it could have been avoided.

When I was offered anti depressants, I didn't know the consequences but rather thought if it was best if I take them for the sake of my health, but then I thought that in order to stay strong i need to do it alone with my own thoughts, not thoughts being chemically controlled by drugs

 

[BlueWidow]

I really wish that I had refused the first anti depressant that they offered me. I had read that some people had suddenly ctb after being on it for a while. But I was feeling so unwell I just thought they knew best. I did express some concerns but was reassured that it was fine. A few months later I was in a really bad way, and I really wonder now if it could have been avoided.

They hand these drugs out to vulnerable people like candy without any concern for the consequences, while the doctors and drug companies all get wealthy off of the drugs.
And they actively suppress any negative research that comes out about any drug. And if you look at all the mass shootings recently, most of them were done by someone that was on SSRIs.

 

[LordHector]

Mental health is the next big pandemy with all the New tecnology, I as a medic consider srs going for psychiatry and doing the job correctly.

 

[Flippy]

When I was a teenager, which was back in the 1980s, I became a ward of the state and I was forcibly given all kinds of psychiatric meds. I was made to take them whether they made me feel better or not, and no matter what the side effects were. I'll never know the effect those drugs had on me and are still having on me to this day. But I have no doubt that they screwed up my still developing teenage brain and probably other systems in my body as well. And it was all perfectly legal because I was a ward of the state and I had absolutely no rights of any kind. I was passed around like an unwanted package.

I'm sorry this happened to you :-( I am really loosing my faith in psychiatry in general. From what you describe and from my own experience it just feels like they haven't got a clue what they are doing!

 

[BlueWidow]

I'm sorry this happened to you :-( I am really loosing my faith in psychiatry in general. From what you describe and from my own experience it just feels like they haven't got a clue what they are doing!

They try to pretend it is a science like other medical fields, but I don't think they're quite there yet. But they desperately want to pretend like all of these medicines are based on science and I don't think they are. They put the drugs out first and then they do the research on them to see how they're going to affect people. The patients are essentially like Lab rats.

 

[Flippy]

They hand these drugs out to vulnerable people like candy without any concern for the consequences, while the doctors and drug companies all get wealthy off of the drugs.
And they actively suppress any negative research that comes out about any drug. And if you look at all the mass shootings recently, most of them were done by someone that was on SSRIs.

Yes you're right, they were so keen to prescribe it and I honestly had the following logic, "I've been through a horrible experience and I'm extremely depressed so it makes sense to take this..." It felt like I was taking control but in the end it made things so much worse. To be fair there were some things that I had kept to myself about my mental health that may have prevented them from prescribing it. I was afraid of sharing them. The thing is I was basically still naive kid and I was sent away with these pills with no warnings or monitoring. I didn't know that what I was going through was likely triggered by the meds.

 

[BlueWidow]

Yes you're right, they were so keen to prescribe it and I honestly had the following logic, "I've been through a horrible experience and I'm extremely depressed so it makes sense to take this..." It felt like I was taking control but in the end it made things so much worse. To be fair there were some things that I had kept to myself about my mental health that may have prevented them from prescribing it. I was afraid of sharing them. The thing is I was basically still naive kid and I was sent away with these pills with no warnings or monitoring. I didn't know that what I was going through was likely triggered by the meds.

Yes, And when doctors give them to you they don't even list the side effects most of the time. Not even the most common side effects. They usually just leave you to find it out on your own. As you said, they gave you the medicines with no warnings and no monitoring. Who knows how many people's lives they've ruined this way, all the while getting wealthy off of it?

 

[Flippy]

They try to pretend it is a science like other medical fields, but I don't think they're quite there yet. But they desperately want to pretend like all of these medicines are based on science and I don't think they are. They put the drugs out first and then they do the research on them to see how they're going to affect people. The patients are essentially like Lab rats.

I'm wondering if there's any real skill to it all really. Like one minute I think I know I have a diagnosis, I gladly take the meds they prescribe because I think it will help control things. Then I get told that suddenly I don't have that diagnosis, there's no evidence I ever did. So then I think, what the hell was I taking this stuff for? Now I can't just chuck the pills away, I will have to wean off, then what am I left with? How do I even know how this stuff has rewired my brain?

Yes, And when doctors give them to you they don't even list the side effects most of the time. Not even the most common side effects. They usually just leave you to find it out on your own. As you said, they gave you the medicines with no warnings and no monitoring. Who knows how many people's lives they've ruined this way, all the while getting wealthy off of it?

Well I learned the hard way that I should read the patient information sheet before I take anything! I do feel a bit pissed that someone or several people have messed up and probably got at least a decent salary for it. :-(

 

[Broken Chimera]

The patients are essentially like Lab rats.

That's exactly what they see the patients as. That and a paycheck. They don't care about the damage the drugs do. It's like they don't even see the patients as human. Just keep switching meds until one works, ignoring the side effects. Then the doctors get irritated when you bring them up.

 

[BlueWidow]

That's exactly what they see the patients as. That and a paycheck. They don't care about the damage the drugs do. It's like they don't even see the patients as human. Just keep switching meds until one works, ignoring the side effects. Then the doctors get irritated when you bring them up.

That's been my experience as well, sadly.

 

[Broken Chimera]

I feel bad that people have been destroyed by a system that's supposed to help. There was a doctor (I forgot his name) who spoke out against it. He warned about the dangers and how long it could take to recover. Maybe there are others, but we need more patients AND doctors to speak out about it. Because they're doing this to children who's gonna have to deal with even bigger problems than they already have for probably the rest of their lives.

 

[Flippy]

I think this video as a good metaphor for what we have been discussing here! We are the guitar in this metaphor in case it's not obvious...

 

[BlueWidow]

I'm wondering if there's any real skill to it all really. Like one minute I think I know I have a diagnosis, I gladly take the meds they prescribe because I think it will help control things. Then I get told that suddenly I don't have that diagnosis, there's no evidence I ever did. So then I think, what the hell was I taking this stuff for? Now I can't just chuck the pills away, I will have to wean off, then what am I left with? How do I even know how this stuff has rewired my brain?

Well I learned the hard way that I should read the patient information sheet before I take anything! I do feel a bit pissed that someone or several people have messed up and probably got at least a decent salary for it. :-(

The doctor should at least be obligated to tell you the most frequent side effects if he's going to prescribe a medicine to you. Wouldn't you think that would be the least that he could do, the absolute least, if he cares at all about your health and well-being.
Which, since he's a doctor, he probably should!

OMG! I missed the top part of your post. I just now read it. So they gave you some meds and you didn't even have a solid diagnosis yet?! How can they give you meds if they haven't even diagnosed you yet? And that's the problem, they give you these drugs that you then have to wean yourself off of. And yes, now you don't even know what this stuff has done to your brain. You should be able to sue for things like this. Of course, then you get into the problem of when you sue somebody, it's usually the lawyer that ends up with most of the money, not the person that was actually injured. And that's a whole other issue. It just seems like the little guy can't win.

I think this video as a good metaphor for what we have been discussing here! We are the guitar in this metaphor in case it's not obvious...

Wow!. . . . First of all I'm speechless about what that guy was doing to the guitar. I didn't realize that there was a whole group of people out there trying to make electric guitars out of things like Ramen noodles and such and that it had a following.
Secondly, I get your point that we are the guitar in the video.
very interesting video though. I'm not even a musician and the things he was doing to that guitar were just making me cringe.
Even I could tell that was not the correct way to take a guitar apart, restore it, and put it back together.

 

[Flippy]

The doctor should at least be obligated to tell you the most frequent side effects if he's going to prescribe a medicine to you. Wouldn't you think that would be the least that he could do, the absolute least, if he cares at all about your health and well-being.
Which, since he's a doctor, he probably should!

OMG! I missed the top part of your post. I just now read it. So they gave you some meds and you didn't even have a solid diagnosis yet?! How can they give you meds if they haven't even diagnosed you yet? And that's the problem, they give you these drugs that you then have to wean yourself off of. And yes, now you don't even know what this stuff has done to your brain. You should be able to sue for things like this. Of course, then you get into the problem of when you sue somebody, it's usually the lawyer that ends up with most of the money, not the person that was actually injured. And that's a whole other issue. It just seems like the little guy can't win.

Not exactly, sorry if I wasn't very clear. :-) I was given a diagnosis over a decade ago that I've been prescribed meds for with some others added more recently. So basically I've been told today that my care provider have got no evidence of that diagnosis. I moved to this area about a year ago so they aren't the same people who diagnosed me. So I was told that my diagnosis is now just depression and always has been. I've been taking quetiapine for years as I was told it was the right sort of med for my diagnosis. (Sorry I'm being a bit vague as I worry they might read this and know who I am). I was happy to put up with the side effects, eg weight gain, brain fog, restless legs etc. as I thought I knew what illness I was dealing with and the meds would help control it. Now I feel like I've been taking it for no reason and taking it for all those years has got to have had an effect on my body/mind.

 

[BlueWidow]

Not exactly, sorry if I wasn't very clear. :-) I was given a diagnosis over a decade ago that I've been prescribed meds for with some others added more recently. So basically I've been told today that my care provider have got no evidence of that diagnosis. I moved to this area about a year ago so they aren't the same people who diagnosed me. So I was told that my diagnosis is now just depression and always has been. I've been taking quetiapine for years as I was told it was the right sort of med for my diagnosis. (Sorry I'm being a bit vague as I worry they might read this and know who I am). I was happy to put up with the side effects, eg weight gain, brain fog, restless legs etc. as I thought I knew what illness I was dealing with and the meds would help control it. Now I feel like I've been taking it for no reason and taking it for all those years has got to have had an effect on my body/mind.

Yes, you actually just illustrated part of my point though. Even between doctors, they can't agree on a single diagnosis it seems when it comes to psychiatric medicine a lot of times. You can see three different psychiatric doctors and get three different diagnoses from the same exact set of symptoms, yet they try to claim it's scientific. It's not scientific, it's based on the opinion of the doctor, and most likely what medicine he's decided he wants to push.
I also understand your fear of being discovered and I wouldn't want you to reveal information here that you don't feel comfortable revealing.
I also have to say, this has happened to me as well where I've been told by one doctor that I have one particular psychiatric illness and then I've been told by another doctor that I have a different illness, even though I gave them both the exact same set of symptoms. Again it seems to be based on the doctor's opinion & what medicine they want to push on you, not at all on what's wrong with you.
In your case it just took you many years to move and start seeing a different doctor who had a different opinion, and most likely a different medicine that he wants to push on you.

 

[Flippy]

Yes what you said makes sense actually. At first my reaction was pretty much that I didn't care about the diagnosis changing. But once I had time to really think about it, I started to get quite annoyed. The other thing is that I was told I wasn't experiencing certain symptoms that I actually do. I just hadn't brought them up as I've talked about them several times with my past doctors etc so I thought that they would be aware of it but apparently there's nothing in my medical records about it. So I had to churn all that up again. I think something has gone quite wrong with my medical records. Maybe I have two sets of records, effectively I'm two different patients, one with the diagnosis and one without. If that makes sense? But agree with what you say about psychiatrists seem to be making it up as they go along. Several times I've raised concerns about the side effects of my medication, only to have the psychiatrist tell me I'm not having side effects or symptoms I've been concerned about. I wonder if they listen to me at all! :-/

 

[BlueWidow]

Yes what you said makes sense actually. At first my reaction was pretty much that I didn't care about the diagnosis changing. But once I had time to really think about it, I started to get quite annoyed. The other thing is that I was told I wasn't experiencing certain symptoms that I actually do. I just hadn't brought them up as I've talked about them several times with my past doctors etc so I thought that they would be aware of it but apparently there's nothing in my medical records about it. So I had to churn all that up again. I think something has gone quite wrong with my medical records. Maybe I have two sets of records, effectively I'm two different patients, one with the diagnosis and one without. If that makes sense? But agree with what you say about psychiatrists seem to be making it up as they go along. Several times I've raised concerns about the side effects of my medication, only to have the psychiatrist tell me I'm not having side effects or symptoms I've been concerned about. I wonder if they listen to me at all! :-/

That's true. What gets put in your medical record is only what the doctor thinks is important enough to write down. If the doctor you're seeing doesn't think it's important enough to write it down, then it won't get written down and put in your record. It doesn't matter what you think is important, it's just what the doctor thinks is important, which can be two different things. And I hate it when you're having a symptom and they try to tell you that you're not having it. I hate it when doctors try to tell me how I feel and try to tell me things about my body that I know are not true. I don't understand how they think they can know more about my body and my health than I do. I live with my body and my health every single day, not them. I don't care how many medical degrees they have, they are never going to know my body or my illnesses better than I do because I live with them every day. I also think you're probably right about essentially being two different patients with two different medical records. You probably do have a set of records somewhere that has the diagnosis, and now you have a set of records that doesn't have the diagnosis. That's what I mean, I think people give doctors too much reverence and too much credit. We assume that because they're doctors they're doing certain things that they're not doing at all. And I know doctors are just people like everyone else, even though most of the ones I've encountered don't act like people but like they're gods who know everything about you when they don't. But it seems like more and more the patient has to advocate for themselves and they basically have to keep their own set of records because you can't trust the doctor is recording everything that's important to you. It's ridiculous that you have to do things like that. You should be able to trust your doctor, but a lot of times you just can't. I mean, I'm not trying to turn you against doctors or anything, but I've just had lots of very bad experiences with them. I know there are some good ones out there, and I hope the ones you have are some of the good ones. But there are a lot of bad doctors out there too, but because of the position and reference and automatic trust that we give to doctors in this society, the bad ones can take advantage of people because things they say are just automatically accepted as true when they may not know what they're talking about or they may not have your best interest in mind.

 

[Flippy]

That's true. What gets put in your medical record is only what the doctor thinks is important enough to write down. If the doctor you're seeing doesn't think it's important enough to write it down, then it won't get written down and put in your record. It doesn't matter what you think is important, it's just what the doctor thinks is important, which can be two different things. And I hate it when you're having a symptom and they try to tell you that you're not having it. I hate it when doctors try to tell me how I feel and try to tell me things about my body that I know are not true. I don't understand how they think they can know more about my body and my health than I do. I live with my body and my health every single day, not them. I don't care how many medical degrees they have, they are never going to know my body or my illnesses better than I do because I live with them every day. I also think you're probably right about essentially being two different patients with two different medical records. You probably do have a set of records somewhere that has the diagnosis, and now you have a set of records that doesn't have the diagnosis. That's what I mean, I think people give doctors too much reverence and too much credit. We assume that because they're doctors they're doing certain things that they're not doing at all. And I know doctors are just people like everyone else, even though most of the ones I've encountered don't act like people but like they're gods who know everything about you when they don't. But it seems like more and more the patient has to advocate for themselves and they basically have to keep their own set of records because you can't trust the doctor is recording everything that's important to you. It's ridiculous that you have to do things like that. You should be able to trust your doctor, but a lot of times you just can't. I mean, I'm not trying to turn you against doctors or anything, but I've just had lots of very bad experiences with them. I know there are some good ones out there, and I hope the ones you have are some of the good ones. But there are a lot of bad doctors out there too, but because of the position and reference and automatic trust that we give to doctors in this society, the bad ones can take advantage of people because things they say are just automatically accepted as true when they may not know what they're talking about or they may not have your best interest in mind.

Completely agree that you're the expert on what symptoms you are feeling and it seems ridiculous that the doctor filters things on medical records :-( I suppose that has to happen to some extent but I wish they were better at recording what is important. I guess we do have this instinctive trust and reverence for doctors. I think they call it "appeal to authority falacy" in debate circles. Don't worry you aren't putting me off doctors, but I think my trust in their perceived infallibility has been quite challenged by today's events!

I was looking up jokes about psychiatrists earlier, I thought it might cheer me up :-) I found this one...

"In a mental health hospital, how can you tell the difference between the psychiatrists and the patients?

Patients get better leave. Not all the patients think they are God. The Psychiatrists have the keys."

It did make me laugh a bit!

I guess I should request my medical records but what puts me off is having to read them, I don't think it would do me any good, a bit like opening up old wounds. :-/ I suppose I feel quite disoriented by it all. Like I had certain things I could take for granted, that my care provider would have all the information and my diagnosis was clear to me. Now I feel like in the year I've been living here, every time I've referred to my diagnosis I've been making a fool of myself. :-0

Thanks very much for your kind and supportive posts! I really appreciate them. It's helped restore a bit of my resolve. :-)

I think I'm going to get some sleep, it's 7:20 in the morning now and due to today's events I've not been able to sleep. Hopefully I can sleep now without it going through my head so much! :-)

 

[BlueWidow]

Completely agree that you're the expert on what symptoms you are feeling and it seems ridiculous that the doctor filters things on medical records :-( I suppose that has to happen to some extent but I wish they were better at recording what is important. I guess we do have this instinctive trust and reverence for doctors. I think they call it "appeal to authority falacy" in debate circles. Don't worry you aren't putting me off doctors, but I think my trust in their perceived infallibility has been quite challenged by today's events!

I was looking up jokes about psychiatrists earlier, I thought it might cheer me up :-) I found this one...

"In a mental health hospital, how can you tell the difference between the psychiatrists and the patients?

Patients get better leave. Not all the patients think they are God. The Psychiatrists have the keys."

It did make me laugh a bit!

I guess I should request my medical records but what puts me off is having to read them, I don't think it would do me any good, a bit like opening up old wounds. :-/ I suppose I feel quite disoriented by it all. Like I had certain things I could take for granted, that my care provider would have all the information and my diagnosis was clear to me. Now I feel like in the year I've been living here, every time I've referred to my diagnosis I've been making a fool of myself. :-0

Thanks very much for your kind and supportive posts! I really appreciate them. It's helped restore a bit of my resolve. :-)

I think I'm going to get some sleep, it's 7:20 in the morning now and due to today's events I've not been able to sleep. Hopefully I can sleep now without it going through my head so much! :-)

I hope you can get some sleep. I have insomnia and it definitely sucks. Anytime I can help just let me know.

 

[Flippy]

Thanks :-) insomnia is really awful! I managed to sleep thanks :-) got about 6-7 hours which is quite unusual at the moment. :-/

 

[Quarky00]

Couldn't agree more with OP (and @Flippy and @BlueWidow ).

Meds made GI conditions worse. Vomited every day so stopped eating , which had a devastating effect on my body (oh yeah, not advisable to live on 500cal a day for years lol).

I don't categorically reject those, but the lack of follow up and attention (described in threads here many times).