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TokaNoOwari

TokaNoOwari

dreams, memories, the sacred— all beyond our grasp
Apr 23, 2026
28
Hi everyone, this is my first own post on here. I am very grateful for being given this chance to vent somewhere people might understand.

I've lived in Japan my whole life, and the silence here regarding mental health is just disheartening. We have some of the highest suicide rates in the world, yet it's treated like this big secret we all have to ignore to. A japanese saying describes it best: kuuki wo yomu (空気を読む), which basically means "reading the air" or following the unspoken social vibe. If you break that silence, you're seen as the problem.

What really hurts is how society reacts when it actually happens. Instead of sadness, there is often this feeling of trouble or inconvenience caused to others. If a train is delayed because of a suicide, the only feeling people get is anger about being late for work.

It makes you feel like your life is only worth the time you don't waste for others. There is also still this weird, lingering idea that it's honorable to leave to ease the burden on society, which is just so toxic.

Between that and the work culture of gaman (我慢) which is the idea of enduring the unbearable with stoic patience, I feel so isolated. If you can't "gaman" through the stress, you're seen as weak or unwelcome. It makes me so angry that nobody takes us seriously, and sometimes it feels like people actually hate us just for struggling. Got to be the perfect, productive machine or you don't matter at all.

I'm really curious, how is it in other countries? Is mental health still a total taboo there, or do people actually care without making you feel like a nuisance?

Does your culture have a specific word or concept like "gaman" that makes it harder for people to speak up about their struggles?
 
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SMxj9

SMxj9

From 🇧🇷
Mar 28, 2026
64
Here in Brazil, suicide rates are increasing, but despite this, people are becoming more understanding about mental health issues.
 
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K14~♡

K14~♡

The night comes down like heaven
Mar 11, 2026
123
I live in the philippines, I think people here don't really care about mental health much. For me, it feels like people who have mental struggles are treated as lazy, not trying hard enough, and incapable/unskilled

I think we have something a little similar to "gaman," but it's more family focused. We have a value called "utang na loob" or debt of gratitude, which is to be grateful for what you have received, and to give back/repay the grace you've been given. This applies the most to your family who has raised you and have taken care of you all this time. Many would be pressured to follow what their family wants/needs even if it's against their wishes for this debt of gratitude. There's also the breadwinner culture which is having the most successful or capable member of the family to provide for everyone, and filipino families are large. For financially-struggling families, the breadwinner or provider has to give up everything oftentimes.
Basically, family is more important than yourself. If you don't put them first, if you don't repay them, you're selfish and ungrateful. It doesn't matter if you're struggling too, because it's your role to live for them...

Ofc this isn't true all the time, and maybe I'm having too much of a doomerist view on this, but it's just how it feels for me

Also regarding suicide, people do talk about it as a tragic thing, but with a controversial undertone? Like "Oh hey did you know that [X]/ did you hear about [X] committing suicide?" It's like a topic for gossip

There was a case a few months back wherein this student jumped from a train station bridge and fell on a car. Some people's reaction online was "You're dying, but also inconveniencing others?" But there was also some who seemed emphatic and didn't blame the student at least...I think people were pissed or mad at the student because the police handled the case quite stupidly. "We're trying to find out if the victim died from the fall or from the vehicle," and if the car hitting him is what killed him, then the driver would be arrested which is unfair...Not sure what the ending was for this case, never looked it up again
 
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TokaNoOwari

TokaNoOwari

dreams, memories, the sacred— all beyond our grasp
Apr 23, 2026
28
Basically, family is more important than yourself. If you don't put them first, if you don't repay them, you're selfish and ungrateful. It doesn't matter if you're struggling too, because it's your role to live for them...
That reminds me of rural country sides here. Rural communities are very family focused as well, while in urban areas it is usually centered around giving back to society as a whole.

While i think supporting your family and society is good and important, it should never become an expectation for you to sacrifice yourself for the "greater good".

Ofc this isn't true all the time, and maybe I'm having too much of a doomerist view on this, but it's just how it feels for me
I think your voice is especially important to hear since you are impacted by this culture the harshest. This culture makes your life awful, while you have a way smaller impact on others life in return. Support goes both ways and as long as you try your best to a healthy degree, i don't see how anybody should expect more of you. Ever.

But in the end, asians being asians. We are never allowed to focus on ourself first in seemingly all asian countries.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,867
I have been raised and spent the majority of my life in Western countries (でも今日本で住んでいる) and while I definitely think there is a lot more understanding about mental health compared to Asia, many people still believe that someone is being difficult on purpose if they have any mental health issues. Especially if someone has a chronic condition and isn't able to get better, they're treated like a selfish, lazy good for nothing rather than a person struggling with a genuine life-altering malady.

I was raised in a traditional, very conservative environment, so I had to hear this type of rhetoric all the time. My grandparents were poor farmers, and eventually got into factory work as a ticket out of poverty. So all the time growing up, I had to hear about how my generation doesn't know what real suffering is and we are so sensitive, because in previous eras no one can afford proper clothes and shoes, or they got beat harder by their parents for not working hard enough, so surely I should be grateful that I was *only* beaten with belts or sticks rather than kicked or punched. To most people where I grew up, having any sort of mental pain is a deep weakness, that you fully can control by "choosing not to be a victim". Some people will even point out how it's an embarrassment to your family to openly have any sort of mental illness, which is beyond cruel.

One of the most common guilt tripping platitudes you will hear as a suicidal person, imo is "think of how others would feel, would you willingly break your loved ones hearts out of selfishness? You have to live for them!" and trying to impart that collectivist sense of obligation onto someone, regardless of how others are actually treating you. So I think that while people are certainly more open to talking about this topic, understanding is very rare to find, from my experience.

In the UK especially, I was shocked by the level of callous behaviour I saw towards people with mental health struggles, despite the UK being a country which openly advertises itself as progressive and collectivist in a manner that protects society's most weak and vulnerable. I remember the first time I was on a train that was delayed due to a suicide at a nearby station, and I heard multiple people grumbling, complaining, and even insulting the person. The sheer lack of compassion was crazy to me, especially when you see posters everywhere in UK train stations with mental health PSAs and encouragements to reach out for help. It feels like such a facade.

Also, in many Western countries now, mental health services and provisions heavily push accelerated CBT sessions and SSRIs and nauseum, with very few options for people who do have severe issues that aren't solved by the most basic and cheap treatments. Actually, the only medication that has ever helped me during PTSD episodes is pretty much being phased out in a lot of Europe and Americas. In Japan, I can easily be prescribed this class of medication, but in most Western countries, they would rather people have absolutely nothing than take a potentially addictive medication sparingly, as needed. Though I was warned by my psychiatrist's assistant that I shouldn't allow any of my Japanese acquaintances to know I was going to a psychiatry clinic or they will think I am a difficult person.

Despite this, I do think many people in Japan believe that with just a pill, you can be always be fixed and 我慢 endlessly, just like Westerners do with psychological therapies. It is a really toxic mindset, especially if you can't keep up your たてまえ, the constant pressure to be genki and energetic is so corrosive when you're already feeling terrible.

During my time living here so far, I witnessed a man sitting in a position which was causing him a lot of pain, but the people around him refused to let him sit normally at the table during the meeting, because ルールはルールだ, which I think highlights a major issue in Japanese society of making individuals suffer just to keep up a pristine or professional image, which in many cases is completely unnecessary and just making things harder on everyone. So I really do feel for you, because even as an outsider, I have seen how harsh Japanese society can be to anyone who is suffering.

I live in the philippines, I think people here don't really care about mental health much. For me, it feels like people who have mental struggles are treated as lazy, not trying hard enough, and incapable/unskilled

I think we have something a little similar to "gaman," but it's more family focused. We have a value called "utang na loob" or debt of gratitude, which is to be grateful for what you have received, and to give back/repay the grace you've been given. This applies the most to your family who has raised you and have taken care of you all this time. Many would be pressured to follow what their family wants/needs even if it's against their wishes for this debt of gratitude. There's also the breadwinner culture which is having the most successful or capable member of the family to provide for everyone, and filipino families are large. For financially-struggling families, the breadwinner or provider has to give up everything oftentimes.
Basically, family is more important than yourself. If you don't put them first, if you don't repay them, you're selfish and ungrateful. It doesn't matter if you're struggling too, because it's your role to live for them...

Ofc this isn't true all the time, and maybe I'm having too much of a doomerist view on this, but it's just how it feels for me

Also regarding suicide, people do talk about it as a tragic thing, but with a controversial undertone? Like "Oh hey did you know that [X]/ did you hear about [X] committing suicide?" It's like a topic for gossip

There was a case a few months back wherein this student jumped from a train station bridge and fell on a car. Some people's reaction online was "You're dying, but also inconveniencing others?" But there was also some who seemed emphatic and didn't blame the student at least...I think people were pissed or mad at the student because the police handled the case quite stupidly. "We're trying to find out if the victim died from the fall or from the vehicle," and if the car hitting him is what killed him, then the driver would be arrested which is unfair...Not sure what the ending was for this case, never looked it up again

One of the people closest to me is also Filipino and suffers from several mental illnesses and I've experienced everything you've wrote here firsthand with their family, so I don't think you're doomering at all. Unfortunately it seems to be common especially with families who care a lot about status or success, they will actively shun and publically complain about the sick relative. Even though they know aking mahal is suffering greatly, no one has ever turned a hand to try and help or understand them.

It's even more infuriating because like me, they have also been abused by some of their family members, to some degree even worse than I have especially in terms of physical abuse. But the entire family both in ph and diaspora pretends like it never happened, and that everyone needs to pretend like everything is fine, and that family comes before everything else, even when family is actively making someone's life a living hell.

When I went to ph before, some of these family members took me aside and asked why I wanted to associate with my friend (at this point we have known each other for years and they have always been dear to me before we got even closer) because they're an embarrassment and not successful, despite the fact that no one has ever tried to help them with the mental illnesses they've been suffering with for years. I was completely floored and infuriated these people who claim they are full of love can say such things, but I think it boils down to that attitude of seeing struggling as selfishness.
 
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TokaNoOwari

dreams, memories, the sacred— all beyond our grasp
Apr 23, 2026
28
I have been raised and spent the majority of my life in Western countries (でも今日本で住んでいる) and while I definitely think there is a lot more understanding about mental health compared to Asia, many people still believe that someone is being difficult on purpose if they have any mental health issues. Especially if someone has a chronic condition and isn't able to get better, they're treated like a selfish, lazy good for nothing rather than a person struggling with a genuine life-altering malady.
日本へようこそ。ここがあなたにとって、安心できる素晴らしい「新しい居場所」になることを願っています。あなたの視点をシェアしてくれて、本当にありがとう。

That's so eye-opening, and honestly, a bit heartbreaking to hear. I always imagined it might be easier in the west, but I guess that stigma of being difficult or lazy is more universal than I thought. Maybe you already learned the word 我儘 (wagamama), which basically means being selfish or acting like a spoiled child. If you can't keep up because of your mental health, people often just dismiss it as you being 我儘 instead of seeing that you're actually suffering. I was called this word so many times that it makes me want to throw up just thinking of it. It's incredibly exhausting when our genuine struggle is treated like a choice or a character flaw. It really makes you feel like you're being punished just for having a hard time. In many aspects living in Japan can already be seen as punishment to be honest.

Though I was warned by my psychiatrist's assistant that I shouldn't allow any of my Japanese acquaintances to know I was going to a psychiatry clinic or they will think I am a difficult person.
Oh, hearing that a medical professional actually had to warn you about that makes my heart sink. But honestly... they are completely right. It is so messed up and incredibly unfair that taking care of your own health has to be treated like some dirty secret. You are absolutely doing the right thing by getting help, so please do not let that narrow mindset make you feel otherwise. But yes, be careful who you tell. There are entire companies built around selling your medical problems to other companies around Japan. It is terrifying.

During my time living here so far, I witnessed a man sitting in a position which was causing him a lot of pain, but the people around him refused to let him sit normally at the table during the meeting, because ルールはルールだ, which I think highlights a major issue in Japanese society of making individuals suffer just to keep up a pristine or professional image, which in many cases is completely unnecessary and just making things harder on everyone. So I really do feel for you, because even as an outsider, I have seen how harsh Japanese society can be to anyone who is suffering.
I've seen and experienced situations like that countless times that it's just normal to us. It's exactly like you said: ルールはルールだ. Our society is built upon those words. The only people who really get a bit of freedom or a small exception are pregnant women, but even then, it can feel like a struggle. You're just expected to swallow your pain and keep the image perfect. It has always been done that way.
 
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Captain laser

Captain laser

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Mar 17, 2026
26
Here in Brazil, suicide rates are increasing, but despite this, people are becoming more understanding about mental health issues.
my experience here has generally been that to most people, mental health is not really a thing and if you're sad about anything other than death you're just a pussy, of course not everyone but if you ask some random person on the street that'll be their view
 
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Matchaaa

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Dec 10, 2025
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I live in China, and unfortunately, mental health awareness in my area is generally very limited. Many people also don't really seek therapy or get diagnosed because they can't afford it. In China, including many counties and rural areas, you can hardly see any mental health-related signs on the streets (although I do know that when they exist, they are often very generic and repetitive).

In many families, if children express serious psychological distress, they are often told things like "you don't know how lucky you are(身在福中不知福)," "you're just being ungrateful(吃饱了撑着)" or "think about your parents—don't you feel guilty treating them like this?" or similar ideas. In many places, parents strongly believe that their children should simply endure this kind of high-pressure education. If someone wants to take a break from school due to mental health issues, they are often labeled as "lazy" and told to go work instead, or pressured to keep pushing through. Even having only one day off per week is widely considered normal.

I don't like the country I live in. My own feelings of wanting to die are also closely related to the social environment, government policies, and cultural expectations here.
 
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Cauliflour

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Mar 24, 2025
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In the UK especially, I was shocked by the level of callous behaviour I saw towards people with mental health struggles, despite the UK being a country which openly advertises itself as progressive and collectivist in a manner that protects society's most weak and vulnerable. I remember the first time I was on a train that was delayed due to a suicide at a nearby station, and I heard multiple people grumbling, complaining, and even insulting the person. The sheer lack of compassion was crazy to me, especially when you see posters everywhere in UK train stations with mental health PSAs and encouragements to reach out for help. It feels like such a facade.
Brit here: our culture is very much "keep to yourself" and I think most people know all those PSAs are just surface level encouragement because a lot of us' first thoughts isn't to "ask for help" because we're not as sociable as Americans, which is where I presume a lot of these attitudes come from. The complaining is just something we do, we love to complain about everything: we're very depressing people like the general attitude is "life sucks, oh well it is what it is" so when you can't go "it is what it is" anymore then you're too depressing, if that makes sense.
 
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sickofeverything

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Apr 17, 2026
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Is it stigmatized for all age ranges in Japan? I have a friend who is Japanese and goes back yearly and she tried ending her life and her family seemed to be understanding and caring about mental health issues, she also said it is beginning to be less stigmatized but I do see lots of news of suicide/murder-suicide coming out of Japan, as recently as two women jumping recently. I'm Slavic and it is stigmatized as well, they say we just have too much time on our hands and depression isn't real but a lot of the videos I've found of successful suicides have been Russians, it is a similar thing of "suck it up" culture
 
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TokaNoOwari

TokaNoOwari

dreams, memories, the sacred— all beyond our grasp
Apr 23, 2026
28
Is it stigmatized for all age ranges in Japan? I have a friend who is Japanese and goes back yearly and she tried ending her life and her family seemed to be understanding and caring about mental health issues, she also said it is beginning to be less stigmatized but I do see lots of news of suicide/murder-suicide coming out of Japan, as recently as two women jumping recently. I'm Slavic and it is stigmatized as well, they say we just have too much time on our hands and depression isn't real but a lot of the videos I've found of successful suicides have been Russians, it is a similar thing of "suck it up" culture
I am so glad your friend has a supportive family, that is honestly amazing to hear. But unfortunately, I think she might be one of the lucky ones. While things are slowly changing with the younger generation, that "suck it up" culture you mentioned is still the default for most of society here. The only group of people who suicide is tolerated, are the physically disabled, especially when older in age. Maybe that goes back to not being a burden on society to some degree.

Yes, suicides happen frequent. The only suicides you really hear about, are the ones by students. I don't know the exact facts on top of my head, but I can tell about my experiences:
During junior-high we had at least 1 suicide a year in our school of about 350 students, meaning each grade will lose at least 2 students to suicide during their time in junior-high alone.
During senior-high it got way worse. I'd say out of 15 students, 1 will die by suicide during senior-high. It's a very common occurrence, at least during my education. It gets especially bad during juken jigoku (受験地獄) which translates to exam hell, our big exams. Students disappeared left and right, making it impossible for me to even keep up. Need to focus on studying anyway. Only after the exams i realized how surreal this whole time period was. Students dying around me, while I was beyond stressed. Felt like war.

I am sorry to hear you suffer with a ignorant culture as well. I hope they aren't too harsh on you. Our older generation and even many bosses often think that if you just worked harder or stayed busier, you wouldn't have time to be depressed. It's that same mindset that treats mental pain as a lack of willpower rather than a health issue. Even if individuals are starting to be more open, the system itself hasn't caught up. That's why we still see those tragic stories in the news so often. The gap between talking about it more and actually having a society that supports you when you fall is still huge.

It sounds like our cultures unfortunately have a lot in common in that way. The pressure to just be "tough" is so heavy that it ends up breaking people.
Thank you for sharing that perspective from your side of the world, it does help to know we aren't the only ones fighting this kind of stigma. I wish you well ♡
 
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starboy2k

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May 21, 2025
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"Mental Health" is an inconvenience in EVERY culture, when there is no money to be made from it. Majority of the "engagement" and "support" of it is mostly just surface level, and thats not even me being pessimistic.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
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Brit here: our culture is very much "keep to yourself" and I think most people know all those PSAs are just surface level encouragement because a lot of us' first thoughts isn't to "ask for help" because we're not as sociable as Americans, which is where I presume a lot of these attitudes come from. The complaining is just something we do, we love to complain about everything: we're very depressing people like the general attitude is "life sucks, oh well it is what it is" so when you can't go "it is what it is" anymore then you're too depressing, if that makes sense.
Thank you for your insights, it's interesting to read about your perspective as a British person, since I'm an immigrant who didn't grow up in the UK and had to adapt on the fly. Because of that I've had to learn a lot of these aspects about British culture the hard way haha.

I did notice that "it is what it is" mentality about a year into living in the UK, especially when something is uncomfortable or unpleasant, instead of making a change/trying to solve it, a lot of people simply want you to accept it, no matter how bad it is. For example, if something is run down or shoddy, you're supposed to just put up with it rather than spend money to fix it, even if everyone would be happier to see it be repaired. That was definitely a culture shock for me.

Having CFS/ME, I was surprised how badly people talk about those with this condition or want us to never speak about it, even though it is rather common in the UK compared to other countries. Many people, even those who should have been the most caring and considerate, like long term friends, or partners, would throw fits and get angry if I said I was cold and needed the heating on, even though I have this medical condition which causes me to have poor circulation and freeze quite a lot. Plus the cold weather causes a lot more aching and pains in my body. Yet, to everyone I was always an inconvenience for being sick.

I realized I was supposed to just suck it up and deal with it, even if there was a relatively easy solution like turning the heating up, or allowing me to use my own heater, because they didn't think it's worth the money to not be freezing. Being in environments constantly where you're just expected to be uncomfortable has definitely taken a toll on my mental state throughout the years. It wasn't something I was used to, being expected to complain, but not to complain too much. It's a weird paradox where you're supposed to feel happy, despite everyone else constantly projecting unhappiness towards you.

I agree with you that this attitude makes lots of people depressed and downtrodden. Our environment plays a major role in our overall sense of wellbeing and mood. In the UK, it feels like lots of people will put you down if you want a better life or better conditions for yourself, the classic crabs in the bucket mentality. Of course, being surrounded by that way of thinking will bring anyone down.

I remember one time in university, I was at a cafe with two friends of mine, one who is also an immigrant and one born and raised in UK. My British friend kept complaining about how our other friend is stupid because she will actually spend money on a coffee and pastry. That sort of negativity towards anyone who wants to feel the slightest bit of happiness for themselves is so bad and pervasive, and I witnessed it all the time too. It really started to wear on me, because any joy that I had for small things like holidays, shopping, food, etc was shat all over by the people around me.

It's even worse if you are suffering from chronic physical and mental health conditions, because so many people don't get proper care from the NHS. Then, if you voice this at all, there's always people who will say you're wasting NHS resources since you aren't immediately dying, despite the fact that early treatment could prevent a lot of people's issues from getting to the point where they are so dire.

Of course, not everyone thinks this way, but these were just my experiences living in different areas within the UK. It's something I've had to accept even though it makes me feel deeply unhappy and isolated. While I am used to a great deal of introversion, and am not the most outgoing or loud person myself, the amount of coldness I experienced from others even if we knew each other for years definitely has contributed to my overall distrust for people.
 
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PanaxMan

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Hi everyone, this is my first own post on here. I am very grateful for being given this chance to vent somewhere people might understand.

I've lived in Japan my whole life, and the silence here regarding mental health is just disheartening. We have some of the highest suicide rates in the world, yet it's treated like this big secret we all have to ignore to. A japanese saying describes it best: kuuki wo yomu (空気を読む), which basically means "reading the air" or following the unspoken social vibe. If you break that silence, you're seen as the problem.

What really hurts is how society reacts when it actually happens. Instead of sadness, there is often this feeling of trouble or inconvenience caused to others. If a train is delayed because of a suicide, the only feeling people get is anger about being late for work.

It makes you feel like your life is only worth the time you don't waste for others. There is also still this weird, lingering idea that it's honorable to leave to ease the burden on society, which is just so toxic.

Between that and the work culture of gaman (我慢) which is the idea of enduring the unbearable with stoic patience, I feel so isolated. If you can't "gaman" through the stress, you're seen as weak or unwelcome. It makes me so angry that nobody takes us seriously, and sometimes it feels like people actually hate us just for struggling. Got to be the perfect, productive machine or you don't matter at all.

I'm really curious, how is it in other countries? Is mental health still a total taboo there, or do people actually care without making you feel like a nuisance?

Does your culture have a specific word or concept like "gaman" that makes it harder for people to speak up about their struggles?
Basically talking about society or that general consciousness of different communities coming together towards not wanting a certain thing. Makes sense but we humans are social beings
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
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I think it's pretty nuanced in the UK- according to your own family. I think the generations are changing too. Younger people seem almost keen to tell everyone what they are suffering with.

As a culture though- I wouldn't say we necessarily have the infrastructure to deal with mental health problems or mental disability.

I'd hope I was a reasonably compassionate person but then- personally speaking, it hasn't been easy to work with people with disabilities- to be brutally honest. It wasn't their fault. But- there wasn't the staffing to cover- if they couldn't cope in a certain situation. Which then- increases the pressure/ work load on everyone else. So- just in a practical sense- there isn't really enough resources available to support both them and everyone else.

I think it does tend to vary though. How stiff upper lipped or reserved our parents were- as to how open we do even feel we can be- if we struggle.

My Dad will outright say- it annoys him how everyone these days is 'suffering with their mental health'. As Cauliflour remarked- there is often this comparison that the older generations had it worse and, they were just expected to put up with it.

I think that's a problem with suffering in general though. Because there's no way of knowing how bad a person's suffering is. So- how can we actually know when dispensation from doing something or- allowances are appropriate? I think that's a general problem. Maybe lots of people are suffering one way or another and- they're still doing what is expected of them- even though it causes them pain and discomfort. So- they may not be tolerant when another person insists they should be let off doing these things- because it's uncomfortable for them.

I agree with other members here that part of British culture is to 'keep calm and carry on' too. Which isn't terribly tolerant towards people who feel like they can't.
 
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Nov 24, 2023
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What really hurts is how society reacts when it actually happens. Instead of sadness, there is often this feeling of trouble or inconvenience caused to others. If a train is delayed because of a suicide, the only feeling people get is anger about being late for work.
I don't have much to add since we live in the same country but for real, stop reading news comments on train suicides--they are the worst.
During senior-high it got way worse. I'd say out of 15 students, 1 will die by suicide during senior-high. It's a very common occurrence, at least during my education.
This I have to question, since the published stats on suicide among Year 1-12 students in this country are reportedly 532 students last year. And there are around 2.9 million senior high school students. Although I do suspect some deaths will not be confirmed as suicides, thus making the true number of suicides higher than this, I think it is far more probable that most of the people at your school simply dropped out if they suddenly disappeared.

But yes, I wish things were different here.
 
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This I have to question, since the published stats on suicide among Year 1-12 students in this country are reportedly 532 students last year. And there are around 2.9 million senior high school students. Although I do suspect some deaths will not be confirmed as suicides, thus making the true number of suicides higher than this, I think it is far more probable that most of the people at your school simply dropped out if they suddenly disappeared.
I am fairly certain that the majority of these students did pass away by suicide. However, I obviously can't confirm with confidence that all of them did. Sometimes it is mostly just rumors going around. I did not keep count on the exact number of students, but it was close around that number, some of them being my friends.
I did not include other students that just dropped out in my numbers.

I can't speak for other schools, and i was only speaking about my own experiences throughout my education. I am not sure how other regions or prefectures compare to my experiences. Perhaps my region is affected over proportionately.

Edit: It might be worth mentioning that I spent most of my education at private schools.
 
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Mar 24, 2025
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Thank you for your insights, it's interesting to read about your perspective as a British person, since I'm an immigrant who didn't grow up in the UK and had to adapt on the fly. Because of that I've had to learn a lot of these aspects about British culture the hard way haha.

I did notice that "it is what it is" mentality about a year into living in the UK, especially when something is uncomfortable or unpleasant, instead of making a change/trying to solve it, a lot of people simply want you to accept it, no matter how bad it is. For example, if something is run down or shoddy, you're supposed to just put up with it rather than spend money to fix it, even if everyone would be happier to see it be repaired. That was definitely a culture shock for me.

Having CFS/ME, I was surprised how badly people talk about those with this condition or want us to never speak about it, even though it is rather common in the UK compared to other countries. Many people, even those who should have been the most caring and considerate, like long term friends, or partners, would throw fits and get angry if I said I was cold and needed the heating on, even though I have this medical condition which causes me to have poor circulation and freeze quite a lot. Plus the cold weather causes a lot more aching and pains in my body. Yet, to everyone I was always an inconvenience for being sick.

I realized I was supposed to just suck it up and deal with it, even if there was a relatively easy solution like turning the heating up, or allowing me to use my own heater, because they didn't think it's worth the money to not be freezing. Being in environments constantly where you're just expected to be uncomfortable has definitely taken a toll on my mental state throughout the years. It wasn't something I was used to, being expected to complain, but not to complain too much. It's a weird paradox where you're supposed to feel happy, despite everyone else constantly projecting unhappiness towards you.

I agree with you that this attitude makes lots of people depressed and downtrodden. Our environment plays a major role in our overall sense of wellbeing and mood. In the UK, it feels like lots of people will put you down if you want a better life or better conditions for yourself, the classic crabs in the bucket mentality. Of course, being surrounded by that way of thinking will bring anyone down.

I remember one time in university, I was at a cafe with two friends of mine, one who is also an immigrant and one born and raised in UK. My British friend kept complaining about how our other friend is stupid because she will actually spend money on a coffee and pastry. That sort of negativity towards anyone who wants to feel the slightest bit of happiness for themselves is so bad and pervasive, and I witnessed it all the time too. It really started to wear on me, because any joy that I had for small things like holidays, shopping, food, etc was shat all over by the people around me.

It's even worse if you are suffering from chronic physical and mental health conditions, because so many people don't get proper care from the NHS. Then, if you voice this at all, there's always people who will say you're wasting NHS resources since you aren't immediately dying, despite the fact that early treatment could prevent a lot of people's issues from getting to the point where they are so dire.

Of course, not everyone thinks this way, but these were just my experiences living in different areas within the UK. It's something I've had to accept even though it makes me feel deeply unhappy and isolated. While I am used to a great deal of introversion, and am not the most outgoing or loud person myself, the amount of coldness I experienced from others even if we knew each other for years definitely has contributed to my overall distrust for people.
tbh I didn't think it was that bad until I saw your perspective. Like I knew we were depressing but I didn't realise we were that depressing...

For the chronic fatigue syndrome, my guess is that most people here are constantly sleep deprived due to work, school, social media fuckery etc so the idea that someone is constantly even more tired just seems like crossing that complaining line to a lot of people. I didn't even know what CFS/ME was, I had to google it. Temperatures are something people get into arguments about frequently. Don't know why but it's like half the population is always boiling and the other half is always freezing, and bothering someone to turn up/off the heating is already quite a big step. I've just learned to develop a fashion style that involves a lot of layers, and then people would ask me "are you not boiling?" in like march weather.

For the cafe story, it kinda just sounds like your friend is a jerk tbh. The doomer mentality has gotten worse due to the internet but most people here aren't that bad to be reaching the point that buying coffee is something to laugh at. That being said, more run down areas are a lot more doomer because if you've been stuck in a shithole for multiple generations with a system that really doesn't care about you anymore, it's very easy to slip into that kind of mindset. People who live in more affluent areas tend to be more "optimistic" but also not really because their doomer mindet is towards different things. But I mean, can you blame us? Have you seen how our government acts? Yeah sure it's not a good thing to be dismissive of every problem, but if we acted like americans and staged big protests and demonstrations for every problem we have nowadays then we'd be burnt out to a crisp. Instead we just make sarcastic comedy sketches because laughing at the problem is easier.
 
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Carol Kohl
Dec 30, 2025
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Woah, the responses here are very thorough. Here's my two cents as an American from Ohio (sorry lol):

kuuki wo yomu (空気を読む) would be "reading the room", we also have what are just generally described as "unspoken social rules", which, depending on the environment (usually most environments) can include not talking about mental health or trauma.

More recently there's been a phenomenon called "trauma dumping", which is a term people use on anyone who talks about anything too traumatic or "heavy" out-of-the-blue, unexpectedly, however lately the term has been stretched thin to the point of incredulity, used against anyone who brings up any sort of trauma, even when it's relevant to the conversation, or needs to be brought up for an explanation, or in a context where it should be allowed (like group therapy). While mostly just a minor faux-pas, it's a very heavy accusation in some circles & treated tantamount to abuse. It's made trauma & mental illness very taboo to talk about, essentially demonizing people who bad things have happened to by making the context of their own lives unspeakable.

gaman (我慢) would be "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps"- what originally started out as an intentionally nonsensical phrase meant to describe trying to do something impossible, or facing unreasonable expectations, that got turned into a phrase meaning to push yourself & get results at any and all costs, usually all by yourself without any outside help.

I hope my input means something. I see a lot of universality between people's stories here, we have a lot in common (although I'm sure there are still some significant differences as well).
 
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Nov 19, 2025
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Hi everyone, this is my first own post on here. I am very grateful for being given this chance to vent somewhere people might understand.

I've lived in Japan my whole life, and the silence here regarding mental health is just disheartening. We have some of the highest suicide rates in the world, yet it's treated like this big secret we all have to ignore to. A japanese saying describes it best: kuuki wo yomu (空気を読む), which basically means "reading the air" or following the unspoken social vibe. If you break that silence, you're seen as the problem.

What really hurts is how society reacts when it actually happens. Instead of sadness, there is often this feeling of trouble or inconvenience caused to others. If a train is delayed because of a suicide, the only feeling people get is anger about being late for work.

It makes you feel like your life is only worth the time you don't waste for others. There is also still this weird, lingering idea that it's honorable to leave to ease the burden on society, which is just so toxic.

Between that and the work culture of gaman (我慢) which is the idea of enduring the unbearable with stoic patience, I feel so isolated. If you can't "gaman" through the stress, you're seen as weak or unwelcome. It makes me so angry that nobody takes us seriously, and sometimes it feels like people actually hate us just for struggling. Got to be the perfect, productive machine or you don't matter at all.

I'm really curious, how is it in other countries? Is mental health still a total taboo there, or do people actually care without making you feel like a nuisance?

Does your culture have a specific word or concept like "gaman" that makes it harder for people to speak up about their struggles?
Hello, thank you for making this thread. I'm Taiwanese, and I have been very interested in this.

From my experience, though, it's similar to yours. A lot of people near me growing up, and a lot of my family, would die by suicide. Most of us live by the mantra that "death is more honourable than letting the enemy win". So many die.
 
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Misanthrope0000

Misanthrope
Sep 8, 2024
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Hi everyone, this is my first own post on here. I am very grateful for being given this chance to vent somewhere people might understand.

I've lived in Japan my whole life, and the silence here regarding mental health is just disheartening. We have some of the highest suicide rates in the world, yet it's treated like this big secret we all have to ignore to. A japanese saying describes it best: kuuki wo yomu (空気を読む), which basically means "reading the air" or following the unspoken social vibe. If you break that silence, you're seen as the problem.

What really hurts is how society reacts when it actually happens. Instead of sadness, there is often this feeling of trouble or inconvenience caused to others. If a train is delayed because of a suicide, the only feeling people get is anger about being late for work.

It makes you feel like your life is only worth the time you don't waste for others. There is also still this weird, lingering idea that it's honorable to leave to ease the burden on society, which is just so toxic.

Between that and the work culture of gaman (我慢) which is the idea of enduring the unbearable with stoic patience, I feel so isolated. If you can't "gaman" through the stress, you're seen as weak or unwelcome. It makes me so angry that nobody takes us seriously, and sometimes it feels like people actually hate us just for struggling. Got to be the perfect, productive machine or you don't matter at all.

I'm really curious, how is it in other countries? Is mental health still a total taboo there, or do people actually care without making you feel like a nuisance?

Does your culture have a specific word or concept like "gaman" that makes it harder for people to speak up about their struggles?
I live in a shithole Islamic country and it's very similar, if you're depressed, it's because you're not praying enough, if you're struggling, it's because you lack faith in God, if you self harm, it's because you're a delinquent or was arrested in the past.

They never see mentally ill people are real humans, we're always seen as a burden, not only that but going to the psychiatrist or therapist is also taboo in society, people will treat you as a "crazy schizophrenic" and talk behind your back if you mention going to therapy.

Suicide is a big no and seen as dishonor to the family and a sin, they treat suicidal people as sinners that will burn in hell, we receive no sympathy, but people will keep yapping about how we'll burn in hell.

In my personal experience, I was always told to just read the Quran, to pray, ND that the devil or jinns are making me "depressed", or that it's all in my head.

When people see my scars, they don't see a vulnerable mentally ill person, but a criminal, a delinquent, a monster. They gossip about my scars and talk shit, they even become wary of me and may end up as a social reject. I only receive positive reactions when people already know me, they ask about my scars, if I'm okay etc, but if it's class or somewhere public, they immediately see me as a bad person.

As for work culture, we're expected to work 8 hours a day for 6 days a week and only get paid like 200-300$, we're expected to settle for poverty, misery, hateful society, and once someone is already broken by the system, we become total rejects.

This country itself is the reason why I'm on this site.
 
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dreams, memories, the sacred— all beyond our grasp
Apr 23, 2026
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I think it is far more probable that most of the people at your school simply dropped out if they suddenly disappeared.
Perhaps my region is affected over proportionately.
Since I can't seem to get back to sleep, I ended up doing a bit of digging into suicide stats. I found out that my joshikō is actually in a Tōkyō ward that ranks really high for youth suicides nationally. I stand corrected. It seems like my experience definitely wasn't the normal Japanese high school life, no wonder with how cutthroat and disciplined the atmosphere was. I've probably said too much already, so I shouldn't get more specific than that.

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@Xi-Xi I'm really happy my post reached you, so thank you for the kind words. ♡ However, I am saddened to hear you had similar experiences to mine.
 
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Nov 24, 2025
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Shit. I feel really called out there. There was once a thread where I commented on how jumping in front of a train is a bad idea because while you're traumatizing people, you're delaying other people's travel.

They're going to have to go down there, gather your limbs, wash your blood off the tracks, and divert the passengers to the exit to get themselves a ride on another vehicle or commuter line.

Sure, feel bad for the victim. But feel bad for those affected too 🤷 It's not solely about people only caring when you're useful or not. It's also about people having their own life and obligations stopped by your carcass spread around the station. Show sympathy but don't overlook the impact the victim caused too.

Anyways, mental illness is shit in my country. +62 is a cocktail of all of the countries that undermine mental illness. You'll hear people saying shit like you're not praying hard enough, you're not being grateful enough, you're not trying hard enough, if x can do it, why can't you, bla bla bla.

Oh, and the hotline? Forget about that shit.

Emergency for when you're suicidal and actually attempted? Forget about that shit too.

I don't think we have a distinct culture like you regarding work, though. That all depends on the company. Some have grueling work hours, some don't.

I am one of those who view mental illness as an inconvenience. I still do. Nobody wants to live like this and it's a long ass journey with many detours and delays. I've come to terms with how, there are people who are mentally ill who can stay productive and there are others who can barely move.

And me, being a person who still can do things, ABSOLUTELY shit on those who cannot do things--which I still regret to this day. This is literally why my ex and I broke up before she committed suicide here.

I implied that she's a "long-term inconvenience" when I asked her what would happen if I were also in her shoes? Would she take care of me too? I had many things in tow too and I still moved. I complained but I still helped.

I was still around but whatever self-loathing she had made herself believe that she was a completely immovable burden. I was drowning and I tried everything I could but regardless, I couldn't save her with all that pity party and exhaustion--unsupportive family, neglectful friends, and a shitty boyfriend she turned into her "toy" as she waited for her SN with baited breath.

I think, most times, suicide is regarded as selfish because people do need other people to live. To keep company, to help, to communicate with. When a person is dead and gone, that relationship dies along with that person.

It's infuriating. I'm furious still.

I will get utterly trashed by the users here after this post but.... this is the truth. This is what I felt when I was with her, this is how I feel when I've lost her.

This is all based off personal experience alone. So, don't generalize my opinion as it only applied to my dead ex and my dead ex only. I have not met other mentally ill people who had it as bad as she did.
 
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Since I can't seem to get back to sleep, I ended up doing a bit of digging into suicide stats. I found out that my joshikō is actually in a Tōkyō ward that ranks really high for youth suicides nationally. I stand corrected. It seems like my experience definitely wasn't the normal Japanese high school life, no wonder with how cutthroat and disciplined the atmosphere was. I've probably said too much already, so I shouldn't get more specific than that.
Oh... Although I was doubtful initially about the alarmingly high rates you mentioned, in retrospect I believe I know which school you attended. I go to a private university in Tokyo and I know some people who are graduates. That school does appear to be a bit of an anomaly, but that doesn't negate your experiences and I sincerely hope your following days will be happier.
 
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Oh... Although I was doubtful initially about the alarmingly high rates you mentioned, in retrospect I believe I know which school you attended. I go to a private university in Tokyo and I know some people who are graduates. That school does appear to be a bit of an anomaly, but that doesn't negate your experiences and I sincerely hope your following days will be happier.
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Feb 3, 2026
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I am one of those who view mental illness as an inconvenience. I still do. Nobody wants to live like this and it's a long ass journey with many detours and delays. I've come to terms with how, there are people who are mentally ill who can stay productive and there are others who can barely move.

And me, being a person who still can do things, ABSOLUTELY shit on those who cannot do things--which I still regret to this day. This is literally why my ex and I broke up before she committed suicide here.

I implied that she's a "long-term inconvenience" when I asked her what would happen if I were also in her shoes? Would she take care of me too? I had many things in tow too and I still moved. I complained but I still helped.

I was still around but whatever self-loathing she had made herself believe that she was a completely immovable burden. I was drowning and I tried everything I could but regardless, I couldn't save her with all that pity party and exhaustion--unsupportive family, neglectful friends, and a shitty boyfriend she turned into her "toy" as she waited for her SN with baited breath.

I think, most times, suicide is regarded as selfish because people do need other people to live. To keep company, to help, to communicate with. When a person is dead and gone, that relationship dies along with that person.

It's infuriating. I'm furious still.
There was a time when I had a partner like you, used keep my shit together during group project--I ended up helping without any resistance.

However, I am at a point where I have to make these decisions on my own and it's very hard to even try.
 
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I live in a shithole Islamic country and it's very similar, if you're depressed, it's because you're not praying enough, if you're struggling, it's because you lack faith in God, if you self harm, it's because you're a delinquent or was arrested in the past.

They never see mentally ill people are real humans, we're always seen as a burden, not only that but going to the psychiatrist or therapist is also taboo in society, people will treat you as a "crazy schizophrenic" and talk behind your back if you mention going to therapy.

Suicide is a big no and seen as dishonor to the family and a sin, they treat suicidal people as sinners that will burn in hell, we receive no sympathy, but people will keep yapping about how we'll burn in hell.

In my personal experience, I was always told to just read the Quran, to pray, ND that the devil or jinns are making me "depressed", or that it's all in my head.

When people see my scars, they don't see a vulnerable mentally ill person, but a criminal, a delinquent, a monster. They gossip about my scars and talk shit, they even become wary of me and may end up as a social reject. I only receive positive reactions when people already know me, they ask about my scars, if I'm okay etc, but if it's class or somewhere public, they immediately see me as a bad person.

As for work culture, we're expected to work 8 hours a day for 6 days a week and only get paid like 200-300$, we're expected to settle for poverty, misery, hateful society, and once someone is already broken by the system, we become total rejects.

This country itself is the reason why I'm on this site.
I know it very well, i live in a religious country with most of the habitant are moslems and it's the same....

Suicide? Lack of relationship with God.. Self harm? You just looking for attention... Suicide? Infidel.... Or some djinn enter your body or occult shit like that ....

And all the same with going to therapist....
It's still a taboo even though mental health awareness start to rise recently, but the old folks still think it's useless , you just lack of God ...

Wait after re read it many times i started to think we're from same country 😭😭
 
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Wait after re read it many times i started to think we're from same country 😭😭
I'm from Tunisia, but it's no surprise if your country is also similar, all Islamic countries hold the same messed up views against mentally ill and suicidal people
 

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