Discussion Is CTB liberation from suffering or sadness of life that ended unnaturally

[tanshakti]

Does anyone wonder if CTB is freedom from pain of life or sad ending of life lost to unnatural death. I guess the answer depends on an individual and it is always a controversial criteria from someone else perspective.
I will be honest I am kinda old, but when i see young people CTB who don't have debilitating mental or physical illness my heart sinks, sorry I am not trying to judge its just a perspective. I plan to CTB soon that is why I am here, to me one hand CTB is dignified death on your terms considering the alternative of being a dependent on a system that will reject and make you burden due to health.
I am new here and i see many community members with kind hearts that i didn't expect or see in IRL, i guess pain creates a bond. what are your thoughts ?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

To me CTB is freedom from the unbearable pain of life

And escape from the threat of unending constant unbearable pain

Non-existence forever is Freedom forever from excruciating unbearable pain, extreme suffering, terrible problems, traumatic bad memories , oppression, diseases, injustice, extreme torture, 1000s more horrible things

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Death is the relief from all suffering in this life and therefore nothing sad.

Yet we kinda fear death bc of the unknown thereafter.

 

[SchizoGymnast]

Death is a relief from suffering but also the loss of the good life has to offer. It's normal to feel sad about this. Most people do. Whether escaping suffering outweighs experiencing joy is a personal decision that depends on sooooooo many circumstances.

 

[Doll Steak]

I'm pretty young yet here I am. All my pain is mental, but that is enough to push me to the edge. I also hate the thought of growing old for so many reasons.

To me CTB is not just a release from basic pain but from the entire culmination of existence. Desires, Hunger, High's, Lows, Happiness, Etc. All would be gone with CTB.
I just have to go off my hope that there is no reincarnation or infinity regarding life.

I hope you can find peace man, we all will eventually.

 

[ObsidianEnigma]

I will be honest I am kinda old, but when i see young people CTB who don't have debilitating mental or physical illness my heart sinks

I'm also old (middle-aged). I recently took a trip down memory lane, thinking about the past and my life. I realized how much I suffered and how hard I always tried to be happy and enjoy life. There were some bright spots, sure, but they were drowned out by an ocean of sadness. Had I died 20 years ago, I wouldn't have missed it.

I think, or speculate, that you might have lived in a better world when you were young. Today, young people have it worse.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's both. It's a sad mirror held up against a person who has suffered tremendously. The tragedy element comes in wondering whether there could have been another outcome for them. What happened to them? Did they receive enough support to help them through their problems?

I think a reality check needs to be applied though. Is it fair to expect someone to live in massively difficult circumstances (for them.) Can their problems realistically be helped? If not- then, it's a happy release for them to be free of this. Something's gotta give- either the person should be helped or, they should be free to leave- if things are truly that bad for them.

The 'problem' with viewing it as sad or tragic I feel is that it can be emotionally manipulative. Are we trying to make the person themselves feel sad about it? What does that actually mean though? It's true that it's sad their life has been so awful it has brought them to this point but- that's already happened and, can't be changed. Can they be helped now? Or, is it just false hope that things will magically 'get better'?

Also- don't we mean- it's sad for us. We're going to miss them? Which is selfish ultimately. It's not actually about genuinely wanting the best for them. It's just wanting them to stick around- even if that means they'll suffer. Because... we all suffer- right? We just have to put up with it. Do we though? should there be such a high obligation to live? Who to though?

 

[Forveleth]

Death is the inevitable end of life. Everyone will experience it one day. Suicide is just choosing to make that transition earlier than it would have happened. I do not see the event itself as having any philosophical meaning. I believe the meaning comes from why the act is carried out and that is individual to each person.

Many people choose suicide to avoid suffering, which is completely understandable. For that, I am grateful they are at peace. I think it is sad that we have a society in which someone can feel so miserable, death becomes their only solution.

 

[VoidButterfly]

I would say it's sadness that the world drove someone to the point that relief through death was the only option. I do also think it's sad whenever anyone dies.

 

[Seaofsleep]

Freedom. Sorry mum

 

[LastDayOnEarth]

A lot of my life experiences have been bad and unfair so for me it would be freedom

 

[polm]

Freedom from chronic illness that causes unendurable pain and disability. Regardless of age, no one should have to suffer.

 

[FuneralCry]

For me it's freedom from suffering, I see no sadness in escaping from the torturous and futile abomination of existence that just causes harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured just to decay and die in agony from old age, for me non-existence is all that's positive.

It's the only peace for me and I'll just only be at peace once I no longer suffer in this dreadful existence, the tragedy to me is how this existence was even imposed at all, to me existence just feels like a terrible mistake and I wish I never suffered more than anything, existence to me is a burden, I find it so deeply undesirable to suffer in this existence.

 

[usernamesarehard]

Does anyone wonder if CTB is freedom from pain of life or sad ending of life lost to unnatural death. I guess the answer depends on an individual and it is always a controversial criteria from someone else perspective.

I guess I see it as both. I understand why people with major issues that can't be fixed would choose to ctb, but I still find it sad that they had an illness or unchangeable life circumstance happen to them that made ctb the only way out.

I will be honest I am kinda old, but when i see young people CTB who don't have debilitating mental or physical illness my heart sinks, sorry I am not trying to judge its just a perspective.

Yeah, I get this. I guess I'm technically one of those young people. I'm 22 and while I'm depressed, I'm at least functional , which a lot of people in this forum with depression can't say. I have a job, I have savings, I plan on moving out in the next 2 years (if I don't ctb before then).
My main reasons for being here are an inability to find a partner and an inability to get a job outside of the city I'm currently living in. Both of which are questionable reasons. People live in places they hate all the time and plenty of people are happy without a partner. Still, these are pretty big issues to me and I'd rather ctb then suffer through this or pretend I'm not bothered. I guess the hopelessness comes from the fact that these issues aren't problems I can solve on my own, they require other people, and I'm just tired of coping and having no real control over my life.

I am new here and i see many community members with kind hearts that i didn't expect or see in IRL, i guess pain creates a bond. what are your thoughts ?

Yeah, I find this aspect of the community interesting as well. I kinda question if it's a case of the mods filtering anyone who's too much of a dick out, so you're just left with people who are able to display some level of kindness and empathy; if having a certain amount of respect for everyone in the forum (personally I rarely visit goodbye threads, and generally try to encourage hope and recovery whenever I'm talking to other members; I'm not pro-life, if I do comment on a goodbye thread I wish them luck and try to give them some love before they go and respect their decision to ctb) means everyone displays a certain amount of kindness, I guess a large reason people are dicks to other people is because of a difference in beliefs and an inability to still treat someone like a person even if you disagree with them; if this site just attracts a certain kind of person; or if it's a case of people showing empathy because they can see another person's pain.
It's been brought to my attention that irl I'm somewhat an apathetic dick. It looks like I don't care about anyone else. Maybe that's true? But, anyway, whenever I'm here I have genuine care for my fellow human. Maybe pain creates a bond or maybe having people be vulnerable with you and you be able to be vulnerable with other people causes you to care more about them. Idk

 

[bl33ding_heart]

Does anyone wonder if CTB is freedom from pain of life or sad ending of life lost to unnatural death. I guess the answer depends on an individual and it is always a controversial criteria from someone else perspective.
I will be honest I am kinda old, but when i see young people CTB who don't have debilitating mental or physical illness my heart sinks, sorry I am not trying to judge its just a perspective. I plan to CTB soon that is why I am here, to me one hand CTB is dignified death on your terms considering the alternative of being a dependent on a system that will reject and make you burden due to health.
I am new here and i see many community members with kind hearts that i didn't expect or see in IRL, i guess pain creates a bond. what are your thoughts ?

I personally think it differs a lot depending on circumstances. For some people, death is freedom from immense and incurable pain and suffering. But for others it's a waste of life and potential. Suicide should always be a last resort and only considered if someone is entirely sure they have no hope of happiness and peace in the future.