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EmptyBottle

EmptyBottle

🔑 Friends with Aera23
Apr 10, 2025
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Think so, better to treat early than late, and even before/during*/after treatment, nightnight option^ isn't fully going away

*assuming one has at home days
^ by @Kooz , option there as insurance.
 
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Nightfoot

Specialist
Aug 7, 2025
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I'm so sorry. It's a tortured living hell to be this depressed.

I'm so happy to hear your parents had relatively painless deaths. I hear so many horror stories and ir scares me.
If only the torture were enough to override the fear of CBT, but that doesn't seem to be the case so far.
 
Dejected 55

Dejected 55

Enlightened
May 7, 2025
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Be careful what you say to them, doctors can make judgment calls with DNR's if they think your depressed and not of a sound mind.
I know... which is why I couldn't just come right out and say it... and why I eventually gave up and let him have his way, because there was no way to logically argue why I didn't want to be brought back for a minor disturbance that didn't affect my physical health without admitting to being suicidal.
 
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GeneTunney

Member
Feb 3, 2023
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This is something I quietly wish for. My chosen ctb methods require a degree of practicality I don't have (I'll screw it up and end up in a vegetative state, I am fairly certain.) So allowing nature to take its course sounds, if not appealing, then something that would be almost a relief.
 
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elemental_rain

Member
Sep 2, 2025
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I'm a 56(f). I never go to the doctor anymore and never had a mammogram. I would never put myself through crueling surgeries, chemo, radiation ect. anyway I also have a genetic condition I inherited from my father where I am very high risk for a younger age heart attack any day.(His started at 42) I stopped taking my meds for that and been eating like shit. I just don't care. My depression is so severe I am in bed mostly all day. A sudden heart attack is my dream. So for you older folks on here, do you bother with physical health checks or not care either?
Its hard to say honestly. Ive seen people die from cancer and its such an awful and painful way to go. I think it would me be that I would use it as a fuel to give me courage to ctb and as a more justified reason so I could feel less guilt
 
NearlyIrrelevantCake

NearlyIrrelevantCake

The Cake Is A Lie
Aug 12, 2021
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I would only accept pain medication and palliative treatment.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
13,228
I don't go for checks. But- it's complicated...

Years back, I got the most terrific pain in the chest. I thought it was a heart attack. I was ready to die so, didn't call for an ambulance. It was a work day though. After maybe half an hour, the very intense pain had subsided more or less but obviously- I hadn't died.

I still didn't feel well though and whatever it was felt serious. So- I called in sick to work and went in to a walk- in medical centre. Long story short- it was gallstones. Between my reluctance to see doctors and NHS incompetence, I'd had 13 more attacks over a space of many months before I couldn't cope anymore.

In that time, I'd become terrified to eat anything for fear of triggering an attack. But yeah- it got to the point where an attack happened but, the pain wasn't going- days and nights of it. Turns out a stone and bunch of sludge was now in the bile duct. I suspect that eventually could have lead to pancreatitus and possibly death. My Bilirubin results showed I was jaundice.

The thing I think people don't consider with allowing natural death to take them though is: How long it might take. How much pain they'll have to go through- even with pain killers. Whether they'll be able to work with that pain- if they can't afford to support themselves otherwise.

These things can take time even to diagnose. In which time- you could well be in pain. I'm not so sure it's as simple as it all being laid out for you- you have this cancer. It will take 6 months to a year to kill you. You'll experience this amount of pain. These are the pain killers we'll give you.

In my experience, I just wanted to be out of the agony and uncertainty I was in. I couldn't be sure it would ever kill me but, neither did I want to live with the threat of being in agony every so often.

I guess there were other reasons I didn't have the: 'I don't want treatment' conversation with them. I've been trying so hard to wait for my Dad to go first. I'm really not sure now though- if it happened again, what I'd do.

It just makes me wonder though too. How willing are doctors likely to be to support a patient in not wanting treatment? Will they be really generous with pain management? Or, will they get petty about it?

I imagine doctors would be pro- life. Wouldn't they at least ask why we don't want saving? Wouldn't they then push to treat things like depression? Which I imagine would be their assumption. I don't have a prolongued history of it. But- if they bothered to check, I was prescribed Fluoxetine years ago and more worrying, is the welfare check for SN. I'm sure they'd ask me about that. I just wonder how easy they would make it for us. Their duty is to care after all. Whether we want them to or not.

I even wondered what a good excuse would be. I don't think they'd like a dislike for life as an excuse because, they'd equate that with depression which presumably, they think they can cure. I thought maybe saying receiving treatment was against my religious beliefs could be a good tactic. (Not that I have any.) Who can argue with religious beliefs ultimately?

Although, maybe it would seem strange to accept pain relief but, not treatment. That would be my most major concern though- would the pain relief provided be sufficient if you didn't play their game? I wouldn't want to face something like cancer without it.
 
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