Discussion If this were true, does this mean suicidal people are at the lowest level of consciousness?!

[4everHeartBroken]

I think this is awful. Since I became suicidal or apparently at the "absolute lowest level of consciousness", then why do I feel more aware than EVER in my life since I started wanting to die? I believe it's my "awakening" and my new heightened awareness is what brought me to wanting to die. According to this chart, suicidal people fall into "vicitimhood". So when life throws you more curveballs than someone who's brain is able to be considered, "Enlightened", you are considered to be at a lower level of consciousness than them? I went backwards on this chart from "Hustle and Grind" to "Victimhood" apparently, when I've never felt more enlightened in my life! Or… Maybe I'm just crazy because I want to die. I wonder how some therapists view this chart. Your thoughts?

 

[divinemistress36]

Written by some toxic nonsense wannabe spiritual guru who has no clue what mentall illness/trauma is

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Written by some toxic nonsense wannabe spiritual guru who has no clue what mentall illness/trauma is

Probably made by the type of person who would blame you for having depression and would tell you to "just smile and exercise a bit".

 

[JenX]

If I'm a victim, I'm a victim of myself! It's my own stupidity that caused the financial suicide first and soon physical.

 

[divinemistress36]

My therapist would argue and show her this chart that if your Maslow Hierachy needs arent met then one cant thrive

 

[estadiare]

I went on their website and it's by a self-described "Chiropractic" and "spiritual mentor". Ignore that new-age spirituality scam.

 

[DoubleUp8]

The chart is total bullshit that doesn't account for all the random things that can occur in the life of 1 individual. I don't see anyone suicidal or not, rich or poor, from any walk of life having any use for such a chart. It's really pointless!

 

[4everHeartBroken]

I went on their website and it's by a self-described "Chiropractic" and "spiritual mentor". Ignore that new-age spirituality scam.

I'm sorry. I copied and pasted the image without actually going to the site first. That's actually reassuring! I feel like some people try REALLY HARD to stay away from reality because eternal nothingness is too scary for some to face.

 

[thealteredmind]

lol fucking bullshit I hate dumb idiots spiritualists gurus that believe "OH YOU ARE PERFECT THE WAY YOU ARE"

on the other hand, I don't blame external circumstances... no one did nothing to me. my life just sucks because it's what it is. I'm wrong, and I can't be corrected... so... DESTRUCTION IT IS!

 

[yxmux]

Typical moralist free will bullshit. I don't have anything else to say here.

Edit: I do have one thing actually. This is akin to calling "victims" psychopaths.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

If I'm a victim, I'm a victim of myself! It's my own stupidity that caused the financial suicide first and soon physical.

Are you still with us, JenX? Haven't seen you in a while… and…… kind of missing you here.

 

[Beyond_Repair]

I read somewhere (I obsessively read research articles and studies about suicide) that it takes a certain level of consciousness and self-awareness to contemplate suicide. That it's not really possible for animals, for example, to consider suicide in the way that we understand it, and people who are intellectually disabled (like, stuck in the mind of a baby or toddler) are not able to comprehend it.

Also, there is a theory that our brains have protective factors in place to prevent us from thinking about our own deaths. Most people don't seriously start contemplating the fact that they will die until they are very old, practically on the verge of it. Some never do, and are surprised and beg and plead for their lives on their death beds, even if they are of a natural age for death.

So actually, I think being able to conceptualize one's own death, and to make the choice to bring it on of one's own accord, takes a certain amount of awareness and agency over one's own life that is NOT in any way indicative of low levels of consciousness or a "life happens to me" attitude. Probably, the opposite

Anyone can make a graphic and have it circulate it around the web. That doesn't mean it holds any truth or value.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

I read somewhere (I obsessively read research articles and studies about suicide) that it takes a certain level of consciousness and self-awareness to contemplate suicide. That it's not really possible for animals, for example, to consider suicide in the way that we understand it, and people who are intellectually disabled (like, stuck in the mind of a baby or toddler) are not able to comprehend it.

Also, there is a theory that our brains have protective factors in place to prevent us from thinking about our own deaths. Most people don't seriously start contemplating the fact that they will die until they are very old, practically on the verge of it. Some never do, and are surprised and beg and plead for their lives on their death beds, even if they are of a natural age for death.

So actually, I think being able to conceptualize one's own death, and to make the choice to bring it on of one's own accord, takes a certain amount of awareness and agency over one's own life that is NOT in any way indicative of low levels of consciousness or a "life happens to me" attitude. Probably, the opposite

Anyone can make a graphic and have it circulate it around the web. That doesn't mean it holds any truth or value.

This makes a LOT of sense!
Thank you for this!

 

[pyx]

it's always the new-age shibboleths which misrepresent theories of consciousness

 

[Trismegistus_13]

Never heard of the first thing; it sounds fake. But Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (someone posted a pic above) is legit and used by social workers & medical personnel. Maybe the original was confused with the real phenomenon of lower activation of cortex neurons in the brain associated with depression, or maybe they're just a scam

 

[cryptoinvestor]

I showed this to a friend who lives by "New Age" ideologies. She replied, "it's true, your experiences in the world are a reflection of your inner being". I have a cousin who died from leukaemia at 4yrs old. According to this logic, an innocent angel baby wished it upon themselves to die a horrible death? Sounds like victim-blaming

 

[Cress]

Well if you're suicidal you understand what it feels like to let go and Free yourself of attachment. There is no greater form of attachment than your own body. Some dude at the highest level of self actualization might not have gone through the mental gymnastics of realizing that some day he's going to die and just puts it off. Some people don't deal with death until much Later in their life.

Most normally think it's dark and morbid to think about death and that it's in your best interest to pretend it doesn't exist and to put it off. They self delude themselves into thinking they will never have to deal with it or it's so far off why bother. A lot of people who are suicidal deal with their attachment to life much earlier I suppose. Even if you never actually end up taking your own life and self deleting You still end up with beneficial self actualization psychology. Lack of attachment is a good thing it can help you be at peace and think clearly.

That's just one way to think about it I guess from one perspective. I guess what I'm trying to say the struggles that you're going through right now aren't a waste of time. Best of luck to you take care of yourself

 

[4everHeartBroken]

Never heard of the first thing; it sounds fake. But Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (someone posted a pic above) is legit and used by social workers & medical personnel. Maybe the original was confused with the real phenomenon of lower activation of cortex neurons in the brain associated with depression, or maybe they're just a scam

Yeah, I realized after posting that it was from a chiropractor! The one that Divine posted seems like the one I was searching for.

I showed this to a friend who lives by "New Age" ideologies. She replied, "it's true, your experiences in the world are a reflection of your inner being". I have a cousin who died from leukaemia at 4yrs old. According to this logic, an innocent angel baby wished it upon themselves to die a horrible death? Sounds like victim-blaming

Thank you for this… and thanks for asking your "new age friend" for insight. New Age stuff is definitely interesting, and I love hearing other perspectives, but I feel more rest-assured now that the pyramid is NOT actually Science but more woo-woo, spiritual, new age stuff that I can never keep up with.

Well if you're suicidal you understand what it feels like to let go and Free yourself of attachment. There is no greater form of attachment than your own body. Some dude at the highest level of self actualization might not have gone through the mental gymnastics of realizing that some day he's going to die and just puts it off. Some people don't deal with death until much Later in their life.

Most normally think it's dark and morbid to think about death and that it's in your best interest to pretend it doesn't exist and to put it off. They self delude themselves into thinking they will never have to deal with it or it's so far off why bother. A lot of people who are suicidal deal with their attachment to life much earlier I suppose. Even if you never actually end up taking your own life and self deleting You still end up with beneficial self actualization psychology. Lack of attachment is a good thing it can help you be at peace and think clearly.

That's just one way to think about it I guess from one perspective. I guess what I'm trying to say the struggles that you're going through right now aren't a waste of time. Best of luck to you take care of yourself

I appreciate your answer. I absolutely agree with you on this - makes complete sense. Thank you.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

This is made by a social media get rich quick entrepreneur guru scammer, from her own website she proclaims: I'm also a spiritual mentor & money, marketing & mindset coach, healer, and former Paramedic. My life's mission is to help accelerate your spiritual awakening.

Basically, a huge quack. Take anything these new age people say with a grain of salt. She claims she's a chiropractor too.

 

[Kavka]

They're enlightened and at the highest level of consciousness. Suicidal ideation is clearly inspired by Spirit and catching the bus is a soul aligned success.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

This is made by a social media get rich quick entrepreneur guru scammer, from her own website she proclaims: I'm also a spiritual mentor & money, marketing & mindset coach, healer, and former Paramedic. My life's mission is to help accelerate your spiritual awakening.

Basically, a huge quack. Take anything these new age people say with a grain of salt. She claims she's a chiropractor too.

Yeah, I didn't realize this was from a chiropractor's website! It's so nice to know this is NOT Science, or even phycology for that matter.

They're enlightened and at the highest level of consciousness. Suicidal ideation is clearly inspired by Spirit and catching the bus is a soul aligned success.

Interesting answer.

 

[jbear824]

Man that graph is some grade a bullshit