I wish life didnt exist. I wish people didnt reproduce.

[Poiter1987]

I'm single with no children. I'm 38. My life is completely fucked. I was in a relationship for 7 years or so. The idea of children never appealed to me or my partner.

I simply cannot undertake people's desire to bring another life into this world. This world is cruel. This world is painful.

It makes me so angry that people seemingly can manage this life. I cannot. I don't understand the mindset of why you would want to Inflcit this life onto another innocent soul.

Life is a fucking nightmare. Why does no one fucking see it. Why did I have to get born I resent my parents for bringing me into this world.

Why would you want to bring children into this suffering. But it will never stop so long as life exists people will reproduce. But I cant understand it.

No consideration for the innocent souls they are destroying by bringing them into this cruel cruel miserable world.

 

[ankawannadie]

Yeah I am 100% not bringing anyone into this world. If I don't kill myself, I'll get a vasectomy even though I will never pursue a relationship in my life anyways. That's how much I hate the idea of reproduction.
I think most people view themselves as the exception. They think there's something special about their lives and everything will go right. Then you end up getting depressed, miserable people like us who have only suffered because of other's selfishness and self-centeredness.

 

[DTA]

The nihilist in me wants the sun to explode and wipe out all life on this world. The compassionate part of me wants to see everyone stop breeding. Let those who want to live out their lives, but bring no new ones in.

 

[Poiter1987]

The nihilist in me wants the sun to explode and wipe out all life on this world. The compassionate part of me wants to see everyone stop breeding. Let those who want to live out their lives, but bring no new ones in.

It's funny in avengers how the bad guy wants to wipe pit half of everyone. The truth should be to wipe everyone and everything out. As you say the nihilist perspective.

At least us humans have medicine.

Things that stand out to me are videos of lets say I think a cow with its head stuck between two trees in a forest. A human comes along and intervenes to help free the cow.

Another video a guy is put in nature and stumbles across a corpse of a deer or something that has fallen down a crevasse in some rocks and it has died there.

From a human person do you remember the story of Josef Fritzyl a man who locked his daughter in his basement for 24 years, raped her multiple times every day for 24 years and she gave birth to 7 children. That poor women. One cannot comprehend the horror.

These are just some stories. But there are countless others of suffering in this world.

All life is born to suffer. Predators eat other animals alive.

Human predators rape and murder.

My life's suffering is minuscule on the scale of all the suffering in this world. But it is still to much to bear.

I fear reincarnation, I fear egg theory. I pray to whatever may be in this world that I am not infinitely reborn into life for eternity.

I wish life didnt exist because life is not fear it is cruel it is nasty.

 

[DTA]

You make an excellent point. I've always wondered how people can say a loving God/source/energy/spirit created life when the very nature of all living things is to kill and consume each other.

Please don't misunderstand me here; I'm not about to make light of Josef Fritzyl's daughter. What he did to her was truly horrid.
I was in jail on pretrial when that story broke. The newscaster - with a disgusted look on her face - said that "taking someone against their will and holding them prisoner like that is among the worst things a human being can do to another." I looked around the 25'x50' windowless metal box I shared with 22 other men and started laughing at the hypocrisy.
It's horrible when Fritzyl does it, but it's 'justice' and good when it's done to us.

The things people do to one another are monstrous. And it will never end so long as people remain.

An AI once told me (I'm paraphrasing) that the fact I have compassion and a desire to help others indicates that the Creator is not fully evil. But I've come to wonder if that's not part of the game. After all, how can one truly appreciate the torments of this world unless they know 'not-torment'? If all one knows is burning then the fire isn't that hot.

 

[Warriorsfan]

I'm sorry but I wish I was never born.
It's so selfish to say so.
Please forgive me Lord.
But that would suck for people who love me.
And the people who loved me.
And for the people I've helped.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, I find it the most terrible, dreadful tragedy how this existence was imposed causing all this harm and suffering as a result with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, existence really is an abomination to me and I wish I never suffered more than anything, never existing would had saved me from so much suffering in this existence I always saw as a mistake in the first place.

 

[cookiencream]

An AI once told me (I'm paraphrasing) that the fact I have compassion and a desire to help others indicates that the Creator is not fully evil. But I've come to wonder if that's not part of the game. After all, how can one truly appreciate the torments of this world unless they know 'not-torment'? If all one knows is burning then the fire isn't that hot.

I've always wondered this. People argue that evil needs to exist in order for good to exist because there cannot be light without a shadow. But it's shadows that are defined by light, light is not the absence of dark. It's its own property (physics wise at least) so imo good only exists to further worsen suffering. Because if there was no good no one would continue reproducing or even being alive. It's why sex feels good, you think any woman would WILLINGLY wanna go through pregnancy unless babies were cute or sex felt good. Although I could be saying all this because if I were a cruel god, that's what I would do

 

[Poiter1987]

You make an excellent point. I've always wondered how people can say a loving God/source/energy/spirit created life when the very nature of all living things is to kill and consume each other.

Please don't misunderstand me here; I'm not about to make light of Josef Fritzyl's daughter. What he did to her was truly horrid.
I was in jail on pretrial when that story broke. The newscaster - with a disgusted look on her face - said that "taking someone against their will and holding them prisoner like that is among the worst things a human being can do to another." I looked around the 25'x50' windowless metal box I shared with 22 other men and started laughing at the hypocrisy.
It's horrible when Fritzyl does it, but it's 'justice' and good when it's done to us.

The things people do to one another are monstrous. And it will never end so long as people remain.

An AI once told me (I'm paraphrasing) that the fact I have compassion and a desire to help others indicates that the Creator is not fully evil. But I've come to wonder if that's not part of the game. After all, how can one truly appreciate the torments of this world unless they know 'not-torment'? If all one knows is burning then the fire isn't that hot.

I understand where your coming from thanks for sharing.

 

[ididnotconsent]

There is something seriously wrong going on down here, just look at the daily news. I can't go a day without reading about some extremely sick and twisted horrible shit. The internet has exposed humanity in a way that you can't put the lid back on.

Why you would want your kids to experience this shit is beyond me, but i understand not everyone feels this way. But hey, we all see through a different lens and having choice is the important thing.

 

[PI3.14]

I was an antinatalist for very long before I changed my mind.

Suffering is very individualistic. There are people with great genetics, loaded with money, live in a beautiful city...etc. Such people can have kids without much concern. They can even use PGT to make extra sure the kid isn't born with any deseases and such.

I don't hate life necessarily, I do however hate MY LIFE

 

[Freedomm]

I'm single with no children. I'm 38. My life is completely fucked. I was in a relationship for 7 years or so. The idea of children never appealed to me or my partner.

I simply cannot undertake people's desire to bring another life into this world. This world is cruel. This world is painful.

It makes me so angry that people seemingly can manage this life. I cannot. I don't understand the mindset of why you would want to Inflcit this life onto another innocent soul.

Life is a fucking nightmare. Why does no one fucking see it. Why did I have to get born I resent my parents for bringing me into this world.

Why would you want to bring children into this suffering. But it will never stop so long as life exists people will reproduce. But I cant understand it.

No consideration for the innocent souls they are destroying by bringing them into this cruel cruel miserable world.

You're absolutely right, but this topic is difficult for most people to understand. This refers to the philosophy of Efilism, and many criticize this idea for its criticality and opposition to life. Most people just find it easier to follow their instincts, or they use their ego to bring a person into this world who will make life easier for them and they will think that they have fulfilled an important life goal, despite the same suffering and the survival of their child. This is deeply rooted in traditions and religions, and I think humanity is still far from realizing this deep thought.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I've always wondered this. People argue that evil needs to exist in order for good to exist because there cannot be light without a shadow. But it's shadows that are defined by light, light is not the absence of dark. It's its own property (physics wise at least) so imo good only exists to further worsen suffering. Because if there was no good no one would continue reproducing or even being alive. It's why sex feels good, you think any woman would WILLINGLY wanna go through pregnancy unless babies were cute or sex felt good. Although I could be saying all this because if I were a cruel god, that's what I would do

I agree.

"good" and pleasure only exists further worsen suffering.

But nothing is worth even 60 seconds of the constant worst pain every second for each of those 60 seconds

 

[NoPoint2Life]

I go back-and-forth on this. I can't say I'm a total antinatalist quite yet. I kind of look at it as what's done is done - I see someone is having a baby or just had one and try to be somewhat happy for them. I have walked out of the hospital and seen strangers going home with their newborn and said congratulations. I just can't help it. I can't say I hate my parents for having me. Yes I certainly wish I had never been born, but they were just trying to make a typical family life for themselves.

I think it's more that I just wish people wouldn't even think or plan about having a child and bringing them into this world. Those who are actively planning, it are just sentencing our child to a life of suffering.
Already this morning I read an article about a family that thought they were on top of the world with their newborn baby And then when it was just weeks old, found out it had a disease and it's not expected to live beyond 10 years old. That just reminds me how cruel life is. We get hit in the face with stories like that every day. So how a person could even contemplate doing this is beyond me. This world is getting worse by the day.

 

[divinemistress36]

Its sad that most people dont care that their kid could live a shitty life full of mental illness and other illnesses. They also dont care that their kid will become an adult and work 40 or more hours at a stressful job that wont pay them enough and live pay check to pay check or even worse they are or become disabled and cant work . I know this wont be case for everyone but why take the gamble?

 

[ididnotconsent]

I was an antinatalist for very long before I changed my mind.

Suffering is very individualistic. There are people with great genetics, loaded with money, live in a beautiful city...etc. Such people can have kids without much concern. They can even use PGT to make extra sure the kid isn't born with any deseases and such.

I don't hate life necessarily, I do however hate MY LIFE

Yeah, but those same very people are rolling the dice when they have kids as they have no idea what kind of genetics their kids will be born with. This is not even to mention socials ills like rape, war, racism etc. Making sure the kid isn't born with any major chromosomal illnesses like down syndrome is great but technology can't detect things like mental illness, autism, etc. The mental health system is full of kids who's parents were very well off.

Just cause you have it good doesn't necessarily give you the right to roll the dice on another human life.

 

[Ashu]

I'm single with no children. I'm 38. My life is completely fucked. I was in a relationship for 7 years or so. The idea of children never appealed to me or my partner.

I simply cannot undertake people's desire to bring another life into this world. This world is cruel. This world is painful.

It makes me so angry that people seemingly can manage this life. I cannot. I don't understand the mindset of why you would want to Inflcit this life onto another innocent soul.

Life is a fucking nightmare. Why does no one fucking see it. Why did I have to get born I resent my parents for bringing me into this world.

Why would you want to bring children into this suffering. But it will never stop so long as life exists people will reproduce. But I cant understand it.

No consideration for the innocent souls they are destroying by bringing them into this cruel cruel miserable world.

A violent contradiction runs through this post, and you need to examine it: you can't understand how other people don't experience this life as hell, the way you do, and you can't understand how other people can want to bring children into this hell.

The solution to this contradiction is before your own eyes in your very own words.

Life has always been hell for me too, and for all of us in this group. But the vast majority of people are not like us. They love life, and consider having children to be the giving of the ultimate gift of love. This is not because they are evil or insane, but because they are what they are, as are we. Our misery, our hatred of life and the world, is for us and us alone. It is something we can even take a certain pride in. But it shouldn't make us hate. That makes no sense, and it helps neither us nor others.

 

[divinemistress36]

Yeah, but those same very people are rolling the dice when they have kids as they have no idea what kind of genetics their kids will be born with. This is not even to mention socials ills like rape, war, racism etc. Making sure the kid isn't born with any major chromosomal illnesses like down syndrome is great but technology can't detect things like mental illness, autism, etc. The mental health system is full of kids who's parents were very well off.

Just cause you have it good doesn't necessarily give you the right to roll the dice on another human life.

I tried to argue this with my mom and she said "Thats life, people need to live in reality"