Venting I hate being catholic

[hoppybunny]

I wish I wasn't born a stupid catholic cause now no matter how much i try to convince myself that hell isn't real and how it's ok for me to kill myself. I just can't do it. I hate this so much. I just want to die and be free from this stupid place.

 

[imontheloose]

Do you truly believe hell exists or are you more agnostic to it hence the panic, a sort of fear of the unknown? Either or are natural and you shouldn't feel ashamed at all. The brain has no choice but to cope with its consciousness and sentience by invoking peculiar fantasies about what it cannot definitively experiment. You're certainly not alone, the first, nor last!

 

[liquid jen]

Yeah being excatholic is always kinda rough, me too

 

[Cosmophobic]

I love the fact that we tell kids about an idea like hell while they're still coming to terms with the fact things die at all. It's just good parenting to impose horrifying metaphysical notions on their little psyches.

 

[hoppybunny]

Do you truly believe hell exists or are you more agnostic to it hence the panic, a sort of fear of the unknown? Either or are natural and you shouldn't feel ashamed at all. The brain has no choice but to cope with its consciousness and sentience by invoking peculiar fantasies about what it cannot definitively experiment. You're certainly not alone, the first, nor last!

I am more agnostic. Basically, i know rationally and logically that christianity is majorly a sham as a religion however i don't know for sure if the concept of God exists and if hell is real or not. I'm still catholic because I believe in some kind of God. I just don't follow the religion itself anymore.

I love the fact that we tell kids about an idea like hell while they're still coming to terms with the fact things die at all. It's just good parenting to impose horrifying metaphysical notions on their little psyches.

Foreal! Like it sucks so much. Cause i know rationally that it doesn't make any sense but it's been programmed into me so deeply that I just can't stop believing it.

 

[imontheloose]

I am more agnostic. Basically, i know rationally and logically that christianity is majorly a sham as a religion however i don't know for sure if the concept of God exists and if hell is real or not. I'm still catholic because I believe in some kind of God. I just don't follow the religion itself anymore.

I'm not sure if you're interested in hearing the atheist position or not, but I'd be happy to share a reason of many why I think God's existence is unlikely if you wish?

I actually wish I was religious honestly. It would give me a sort of false confidence and clutch onto life being convinced some all powerful fella is watching me and causing me hell but it's for some unknown, great reason I will one day realise.

If God and hell does exist then God is going to have to beg for my forgiveness before I ever consider bowing down to him: no loving God does what he does and has done.

 

[hoppybunny]

I'm not sure if you're interested in hearing the atheist position or not, but I'd be happy to share a reason of many why I think God's existence is unlikely if you wish?

I actually wish I was religious honestly. It would give me a sort of false confidence and clutch onto life being convinced some all powerful fella is watching me and causing me hell but it's for some unknown, great reason I will one day realise.

If God and hell does exist then God is going to have to beg for my forgiveness before I ever consider bowing down to him: no loving God does what he does and has done.

Can you please share? Also on your last point, it's why I don't believe in the religion of christianity. I don't know if you've played the sims but I don't really believe God in general is all loving. Especially since you can't find any religious text whatsoever where he doesn't have favourites. I think God created us for his amusment and watches us doing whatever which is why he doesn't interfere when our life is going to shit.

my other theory is that God loves the devil as much as he loves us humans, which is shy he doesn't get rid of the devil and allows him to screw us over.

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה, wait until you see what Judaism thinks.

(And, y'know, effectively the whole point of Catholicism is to justify taking from the original Israel while pretending G-d absolves Rome of manslaughter but it's okay to beat up the Jews for it, so feel free to get some actual history of what a clusterfuck that actual c. 40 "AD" - 400 "AD" period in history was for both the middle east and Roman empire replacing itself with the Church to get out of taxes.

See also the divine comedy of why Rabbis can fuck but studied Catholics aka "priests" can't, it's ancient Roman humor about who G-d actually wants to multiply.)

 

[imontheloose]

Can you please share? Also on your last point, it's why I don't believe in the religion of christianity. I don't know if you've played the sims but I don't really believe God in general is all loving. Especially since you can't find any religious text whatsoever where he doesn't have favourites. I think God created us for his amusment and watches us doing whatever which is why he doesn't interfere when our life is going to shit.

my other theory is that God loves the devil as much as he loves us humans, which is shy he doesn't get rid of the devil and allows him to screw us over.

Ha, I used to love the sims when I was a bit younger.

I think the problem of evil is my favourite argument against God. I wrote an 8 page document on this in my own time for no reason apart from keeping myself from killing myself one particular night, and I will share rough summaries from it (I can send you the doc if you wish...).

An animal has no reason to undergo excruciating suffering as they aren't given human consciousness or sentience; they just follow their instincts. I can grant that humans suffer a sort of weird, poetic suffering that could be made up for somehow, but animals simply don't get that. Evolutionary predation is systemic. Every tooth, claw, and windpipe, has been replicated generation after generation by natural selection. All animal suffering stems independently of the creature's moral choices.

Let's just look at an example, when a lion preys on the zebra, the lion's jaws wrap around its windpipe until the zebra slowly suffocates to death for 10-15 minutes. The zebra's larynx will collapse, carotid flow stalls, all whilst the animal is conscious. Why didn't God just make us survive via photosynthesis, or lace the lion's saliva with a fast-acting anaesthetic, or wire the bite reflex to sever the spinal cord outright? Some braconid wasps lay up to 50 eggs inside of caterpillars that slowly eat the caterpillar from the inside out whilst keeping the caterpillar mobile so it can forage on its behalf. Eventually, they chew through the integument and burst out, paralysing the caterpillar, yet alive as a standing meat-shield against predators. This all seems quite opposite of a perfectly engineered system by almighty God.

This isn't a once-in-a-while catastrophe like an earthquake either; this is the natural mechanism which God chose to be the backbone of how all around us functions and exists. This process is coded into genome, God's reasons must scale to a biosphere throbbing with pain signals every second. Even our silly human minds can sketch worlds that preserve every ecological function with a fraction of the torment. Why didn't God? He either exists and purposefully torments this one particular planet out of trillions for no reason, or he simply doesn't exist and we exist as a natural consequence of unlikely chemistry. The latter seems far more probable to me.

I attribute the same likelihood to God's existence as I do the tooth fairy.

 

[58Alice85]

I am Christian.
I have never paid attention to the after-death aspects of our faith.
Whenever I was busy with the faith, reading the church fathers, praying,always mysterious things happened in my personal life.
Eventually I became somewhat enraged, the God of this world is awesome, pure, and likes saving the souls of people.
People always slander him, working themselves in these evil situations with all the lies and torment, and then blaming their misery on him.
Eventually I started wondering, if God allows this torment, then what else would he allow?
And then I came up with the following, I can love God for his sake, like to personally satisfy him, not with the intention of being saved.
I swear God will allow us to satisfy him.
I also had some messed up hallucinations of having sex with God along the way, with voices screaming in the background claiming to be Satan.
But God is pure. How can we satisfy him? I even toyed with the idea of dressing up as Mary Magdalene then spending hours praying and masturbating at the same time, trying to satisfy him.
But his religion is against sexual immorality, plus would someone pure in their heart be satisfied by this?
btw i have xy chromosomes

 

[hoppybunny]

Ha, I used to love the sims when I was a bit younger.

I think the problem of evil is my favourite argument against God. I wrote an 8 page document on this in my own time for no reason apart from keeping myself from killing myself one particular night, and I will share rough summaries from it (I can send you the doc if you wish...).

An animal has no reason to undergo excruciating suffering as they aren't given human consciousness or sentience; they just follow their instincts. I can grant that humans suffer a sort of weird, poetic suffering that could be made up for somehow, but animals simply don't get that. Evolutionary predation is systemic. Every tooth, claw, and windpipe, has been replicated generation after generation by natural selection. All animal suffering stems independently of the creature's moral choices.

Let's just look at an example, when a lion preys on the zebra, the lion's jaws wrap around its windpipe until the zebra slowly suffocates to death for 10-15 minutes. The zebra's larynx will collapse, carotid flow stalls, all whilst the animal is conscious. Why didn't God just make us survive via photosynthesis, or lace the lion's saliva with a fast-acting anaesthetic, or wire the bite reflex to sever the spinal cord outright? Some braconid wasps lay up to 50 eggs inside of caterpillars that slowly eat the caterpillar from the inside out whilst keeping the caterpillar mobile so it can forage on its behalf. Eventually, they chew through the integument and burst out, paralysing the caterpillar, yet alive as a standing meat-shield against predators. This all seems quite opposite of a perfectly engineered system by almighty God.

This isn't a once-in-a-while catastrophe like an earthquake either; this is the natural mechanism which God chose to be the backbone of how all around us functions and exists. This process is coded into genome, God's reasons must scale to a biosphere throbbing with pain signals every second. Even our silly human minds can sketch worlds that preserve every ecological function with a fraction of the torment. Why didn't God? He either exists and purposefully torments this one particular planet out of trillions for no reason, or he simply doesn't exist and we exist as a natural consequence of unlikely chemistry. The latter seems far more probable to me.

I attribute the same likelihood to God's existence as I do the tooth fairy.

That's a very interesting take and I'd love to read the full document. And in all honesty i agree with you. But you lnow religious indoctrination is crazy. Like my brain has already rationalized that i won't get smited this instance for saying this because God is giving me a chance to repent before going to hell. It's so interesting the effects of religion on the thought patterns of people. Like i know what I'm saying makes no sense. But my heart believes that God is real and I just need to find the right way to worship. Like I'm mostly thinking catholisism is wrong not that I'm an atheist. Even though to me the greatest thing ever would be to disappear after death and be nothing.

 

[imontheloose]

That's a very interesting take and I'd love to read the full document. And in all honesty i agree with you. But you lnow religious indoctrination is crazy. Like my brain has already rationalized that i won't get smited this instance for saying this because God is giving me a chance to repent before going to hell. It's so interesting the effects of religion on the thought patterns of people. Like i know what I'm saying makes no sense. But my heart believes that God is real and I just need to find the right way to worship. Like I'm mostly thinking catholisism is wrong not that I'm an atheist. Even though to me the greatest thing ever would be to disappear after death and be nothing.

I totally understand you, fren. It's hard to just undo that much indoctrination, especially when it convinced you for so long.

 

[instormdrains]

Ha, I used to love the sims when I was a bit younger.

I think the problem of evil is my favourite argument against God. I wrote an 8 page document on this in my own time for no reason apart from keeping myself from killing myself one particular night, and I will share rough summaries from it (I can send you the doc if you wish...).

An animal has no reason to undergo excruciating suffering as they aren't given human consciousness or sentience; they just follow their instincts. I can grant that humans suffer a sort of weird, poetic suffering that could be made up for somehow, but animals simply don't get that. Evolutionary predation is systemic. Every tooth, claw, and windpipe, has been replicated generation after generation by natural selection. All animal suffering stems independently of the creature's moral choices.

Let's just look at an example, when a lion preys on the zebra, the lion's jaws wrap around its windpipe until the zebra slowly suffocates to death for 10-15 minutes. The zebra's larynx will collapse, carotid flow stalls, all whilst the animal is conscious. Why didn't God just make us survive via photosynthesis, or lace the lion's saliva with a fast-acting anaesthetic, or wire the bite reflex to sever the spinal cord outright? Some braconid wasps lay up to 50 eggs inside of caterpillars that slowly eat the caterpillar from the inside out whilst keeping the caterpillar mobile so it can forage on its behalf. Eventually, they chew through the integument and burst out, paralysing the caterpillar, yet alive as a standing meat-shield against predators. This all seems quite opposite of a perfectly engineered system by almighty God.

This isn't a once-in-a-while catastrophe like an earthquake either; this is the natural mechanism which God chose to be the backbone of how all around us functions and exists. This process is coded into genome, God's reasons must scale to a biosphere throbbing with pain signals every second. Even our silly human minds can sketch worlds that preserve every ecological function with a fraction of the torment. Why didn't God? He either exists and purposefully torments this one particular planet out of trillions for no reason, or he simply doesn't exist and we exist as a natural consequence of unlikely chemistry. The latter seems far more probable to me.

I attribute the same likelihood to God's existence as I do the tooth fairy.

Im a very devout Christian who's very involved with the catholic church. I understand what you mean when you say you want God to beg for forgiveness. In my life I've said 4 times throughout my life I hate you God becuase i was so frustrated with mental illness and suicidality. Dont get me wrong its still horrible to say but ive done it as well and I truly know where you are coming from. We're both on SS so we've lived different lives but im sure we've both struggled with horrendous things. God is on our side and near to the brokenhearted. From the bottom of my heart I am insanely sorry for what has happened in this life but please dont turn your back on christ im begging you. Beyond all my yapping I really do wish you the best and that one day if your interested you can rekindle your relationship with God


Tldr for yapping below
We dont have an explicit reason for why God allows animal suffering however going off of his character he must have a virtuous reason to do so. He's omnipotent so he knows the best way to do things which is whats going on now. He doesn't take pleasure in suffering and isn't distant to creation. Just becuase he allows something he doesn't like doesn't mean he's not powerful enough to stop it. We lack the objective morality to deem God as a monster in a secular worldview

The problem of animal suffering doesn't disprove chrisitanity. Im understanding what your saying as God allows suffering in the animal kingdom and has the authority to change things but doesn't therefore he's unloving. Alternatively he doesn't have the power to do so which makes him weak. Theses things contradict scripture therefore chrisitanity is false. (Sorry if I misread or missed anything)

Humans can brainstorm many ways to ease suffering yet God doesn't implement any of these things. It may seem like we have it all figured out but God is omnipotent and knows everything. In our limited knowledge we dont know exactly why he doesn't eradicate suffering instantly but he must have a good reason for it. This is like the inverse of the God of the Gaps argument where a Christian will say atheists cant say how matter came from nothing therefore God did it. That argument doesn't make sense in the same way an atheist doesn't know why God allows it therefore he's evil or weak.

God is almighty but his power coinsides with his virtue. Job 38-41: Show God's power and how he's totally in control of everything. Ezekiel 18: 30-32 conveys another important side of things. While he is all-powerful he stays his hand while judging and does things he doesn't desire. He could automatically change the hearts of everyone but doesn't becuase it'll be immoral to do so. We can see something similar with how Jesus was slaughtered and tortured on the cross. Jesus Christ is God yet he is worried about the torture that will soon ensue. He prays to the father twice but when the hour arrives he doesn't resist even though he could destroy them instantly. Matthew 26 42-54 He is a good God unlike us so despite his immense power he allows suffering to playout and even experiences it first hand for his own righteous reasons. While it is not explicitly stated why in scripture we can assume he has some type of virtuous reason to allow these things and animal suffering even if he doesn't delight in it

God wouldn't enjoy tormenting animals or humans for any sinister reason. Throughout scripture he nonstop offers jews and gentiles salvation and intervenes to save humanity. The biggest example is him becoming flesh and personally dying for us. There's a lot more examples of God showing mercy and caring for humanity. Matthew 8: Luke 18:35 Matthew 14: 13-21. Im not gonna list anymore becuase that'll take too long. If God truly was evil or distant there would be no hope for salvation and he never would of interacted with humanity at all. Also if he really delighted in the torture of humans or animals things could be infinitely worse. There could be some crazy cosmic horror that'd be on earth or something. Im kinda imaging the book I have no mouth and I must scream levels of torment. Even hell is just fire and lamenting distance from God he definitely could've cooked up an insane torture thing 1000000% worse if that was his main goal.

Lastly, in a world without God there is no such things as objective morality. We have no basis to ground our beliefs instead of right and wrong there just is. As we're both on ss im sure we have fringe views on ctb that others would see as evil or crazy. Who's to say who's right in a world without God. It's not evil for a lion to maul to death a zebra and why does its suffering even matter? When a tsunami destroys a town and its people thats just natural selection and a force of nature. We are all born as complete accidents and there are no rules to reality. We can't judge God for allowing suffering becuase we lack the objective framework to do so.

Im on mobile sorry for mistakes also id like to see the doc :)

 

[imontheloose]

We dont have an explicit reason for why God allows animal suffering however going off of his character he must have a virtuous reason to do so.

They call this sceptical theism and it's basically just conceding you have no idea why God decided not to make a natural mechanism built off pain and suffering, but he must do because he's all-knowing. It doesn't do anything to the argument apart from say, "well, we can't disprove God still, and [insert blah blah blah]" and it doesn't convince me in the slightest.

The only arguments for God that truly rectify this properly are when you change God's properties and say he isn't how the Muslims or Catholics describe him, etc.

I will send you the document. Feel free to read at will and critique it.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I was fervently Catholic just a few months ago. I thought it had solved all my problems. But that was almost certainly a manic episode. Religiosity just gives out all at once after a few months when I do this.

I worry about hell because I feel responsible for the state of my soul--vice brought me here. I destroyed myself through cowardice and pride. But I can't say Noah's Ark and magic bread are real. It's just a bridge too far.

I think the hidden truth in fears about eternity is the permanence of your own life. Nothing can be undone. If you lived badly, you lived badly, end of story. And maybe everything repeats...

 

[58Alice85]

I was fervently Catholic just a few months ago. I thought it had solved all my problems. But that was almost certainly a manic episode. Religiosity just gives out all at once after a few months when I do this.

I worry about hell because I feel responsible for the state of my soul--vice brought me here. I destroyed myself through cowardice and pride. But I can't say Noah's Ark and magic bread are real. It's just a bridge too far.

I think the hidden truth in fears about eternity is the permanence of your own life. Nothing can be undone. If you lived badly, you lived badly, end of story. And maybe everything repeats...

Oh come on don't be like that
my religious experience has intensified and intensified each and every time with seemingly no limit
here is something i intuited about our Creator, he is pure there is no torment in him at all
think about how God himself feels!
Lets make God feel good! And then when me make God feel good, we will also feel good, and then everything will be perfect forever

 

[gomer1978]

Religion is a choice. Discard it.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Oh come on don't be like that
my religious experience has intensified and intensified each and every time with seemingly no limit
here is something i intuited about our Creator, he is pure there is no torment in him at all
think about how God himself feels!
Lets make God feel good! And then when me make God feel good, we will also feel good, and then everything will be perfect forever

Oh wow. So are you recovering now?

 

[58Alice85]

Oh wow. So are you recovering now?

I am not in recovery and wish to ctb before the end of the year

 

[kmao2004]

I am catholic and consulted chatgpt about a very specific situation. If you were to, for instance, consume something that will kill you while in confession you can confess what you did. The priest can do nothing to help you nor tell anyone due to the seal of confession.

The next part is the priest should forgive your sins as usual and give you your penance. Your penance could be to call 911 which is a risk I would plan to argue that there is not enough time and hope he goes with another penance. If he gives the rosary I would say there's not enough time left and you dont want to die in the church.

YMMV of course but this is my plan.

 

[hoppybunny]

Religion is a choice. Discard it.

Kinda dismisive thing to say. Human beliefs are not so easy to just drop especially when they've had them for as long as they've been conscious.

I am catholic and consulted chatgpt about a very specific situation. If you were to, for instance, consume something that will kill you while in confession you can confess what you did. The priest can do nothing to help you nor tell anyone due to the seal of confession.

The next part is the priest should forgive your sins as usual and give you your penance. Your penance could be to call 911 which is a risk I would plan to argue that there is not enough time and hope he goes with another penance. If he gives the rosary I would say there's not enough time left and you dont want to die in the church.

YMMV of course but this is my plan.

I like where your head is at but by nature of how confession works, this plan wouldn't absolve me of my sins because i had every intention to kill myself. And God knows my intentions so he wouldn't just let me into heaven cause i did a superficial confessing. If i was truly sorry for committing suicide then i would not go through with the plan at all. The only way I could potentially have a confession for suicide was if my attempt was drawn out so long that i wanted to live again but it would be too late by then.

Which is like super painful and I'm too much of a pussy to die that way.

Im a very devout Christian who's very involved with the catholic church. I understand what you mean when you say you want God to beg for forgiveness. In my life I've said 4 times throughout my life I hate you God becuase i was so frustrated with mental illness and suicidality. Dont get me wrong its still horrible to say but ive done it as well and I truly know where you are coming from. We're both on SS so we've lived different lives but im sure we've both struggled with horrendous things. God is on our side and near to the brokenhearted. From the bottom of my heart I am insanely sorry for what has happened in this life but please dont turn your back on christ im begging you. Beyond all my yapping I really do wish you the best and that one day if your interested you can rekindle your relationship with God


Tldr for yapping below
We dont have an explicit reason for why God allows animal suffering however going off of his character he must have a virtuous reason to do so. He's omnipotent so he knows the best way to do things which is whats going on now. He doesn't take pleasure in suffering and isn't distant to creation. Just becuase he allows something he doesn't like doesn't mean he's not powerful enough to stop it. We lack the objective morality to deem God as a monster in a secular worldview

The problem of animal suffering doesn't disprove chrisitanity. Im understanding what your saying as God allows suffering in the animal kingdom and has the authority to change things but doesn't therefore he's unloving. Alternatively he doesn't have the power to do so which makes him weak. Theses things contradict scripture therefore chrisitanity is false. (Sorry if I misread or missed anything)

Humans can brainstorm many ways to ease suffering yet God doesn't implement any of these things. It may seem like we have it all figured out but God is omnipotent and knows everything. In our limited knowledge we dont know exactly why he doesn't eradicate suffering instantly but he must have a good reason for it. This is like the inverse of the God of the Gaps argument where a Christian will say atheists cant say how matter came from nothing therefore God did it. That argument doesn't make sense in the same way an atheist doesn't know why God allows it therefore he's evil or weak.

God is almighty but his power coinsides with his virtue. Job 38-41: Show God's power and how he's totally in control of everything. Ezekiel 18: 30-32 conveys another important side of things. While he is all-powerful he stays his hand while judging and does things he doesn't desire. He could automatically change the hearts of everyone but doesn't becuase it'll be immoral to do so. We can see something similar with how Jesus was slaughtered and tortured on the cross. Jesus Christ is God yet he is worried about the torture that will soon ensue. He prays to the father twice but when the hour arrives he doesn't resist even though he could destroy them instantly. Matthew 26 42-54 He is a good God unlike us so despite his immense power he allows suffering to playout and even experiences it first hand for his own righteous reasons. While it is not explicitly stated why in scripture we can assume he has some type of virtuous reason to allow these things and animal suffering even if he doesn't delight in it

God wouldn't enjoy tormenting animals or humans for any sinister reason. Throughout scripture he nonstop offers jews and gentiles salvation and intervenes to save humanity. The biggest example is him becoming flesh and personally dying for us. There's a lot more examples of God showing mercy and caring for humanity. Matthew 8: Luke 18:35 Matthew 14: 13-21. Im not gonna list anymore becuase that'll take too long. If God truly was evil or distant there would be no hope for salvation and he never would of interacted with humanity at all. Also if he really delighted in the torture of humans or animals things could be infinitely worse. There could be some crazy cosmic horror that'd be on earth or something. Im kinda imaging the book I have no mouth and I must scream levels of torment. Even hell is just fire and lamenting distance from God he definitely could've cooked up an insane torture thing 1000000% worse if that was his main goal.

Lastly, in a world without God there is no such things as objective morality. We have no basis to ground our beliefs instead of right and wrong there just is. As we're both on ss im sure we have fringe views on ctb that others would see as evil or crazy. Who's to say who's right in a world without God. It's not evil for a lion to maul to death a zebra and why does its suffering even matter? When a tsunami destroys a town and its people thats just natural selection and a force of nature. We are all born as complete accidents and there are no rules to reality. We can't judge God for allowing suffering becuase we lack the objective framework to do so.

Im on mobile sorry for mistakes also id like to see the doc :)

Sorry but that sounds like massive copium to me. I mean you say we can't judge God for allowing suffering because we simply can't comprehend him but by that same logic we couldn't possibly know if he loves us because we can't comprehend him. By your explanation we know nothing about him.

I'm not trying to change your fate or anything so don't take it that way but the way this argument is framed just seems like a way to say not to question anything that is contradicting?

Also i disagree with the last part. Many places that had no way of accessing Christianity still had basis for morality. And a lot of Christian "morality" is derived from colonial cultures so you can't call it true morality.


Many Christian branches change their morals depending on the time and how much money whoever is in charge is getting.


My people were literally declared as less than human according to Christianity and enslaved, despite Christianity being the religion of good people.


I'm saying all this as someone who was born and raised Catholic and is still a firm belive in God and the holy trinity, that i can't believe a God who would allow his creations to be enslaved for hundreds of years with no explanation because as far as i know, correct me if I'm wrong unlike the israelites who apparently deserved to be enslaved (i don't agree with this at all) for whatever reason, West Africans were not spoken to by God at all and never had a chance to reject God before being enslaved for 400 years. I don't believe this God is all loving.


He/they etc has favourites and does not care about the suffering of his creations.

I just try my best to live by the notion of loving others as i love myself because that is honestly the only message that really shows that there is love for his creations.



If you read this far i just want to let you know that this message wasn't typed in anger or to change your viewpoint like i said initially. However i will admit there is some frustration in my reply because my initial post was about how my faith holds me back from finally ending my suffering but instead of receiving comfort or honestly just being ignored which i thought would be the case, i have people trying to change my view on Christianity or push how they feel about the faith onto me. And it's very irritating.

 

[Zyntkalla]

my other theory is that God loves the devil as much as he loves us humans, which is shy he doesn't get rid of the devil and allows him to screw us over.

It definitely would explain his character. And all the stuff he's done. I was not brought up as catholic or any religion in fact. I rather believe in reincarnation it's definitely more closer to reality. And if reincarnation was the truth, at least you get another chance. And I don't like the idea of you having one life and then you go to him after when you're dead for the rest of eternity.

I think that would just make it worse for the people that end their life and find out you still have the same issues but with eternity on top of it, and having to deal with that horrendous god also.

 

[58Alice85]

I am a created being. The flesh machine is not me, rather the ghost which animates it is me.
Me, the invisible ghost which moves this body like a puppet, is created by an intellect which surpasses all.
This Creature which surpasses all has a specific name, character, agency, does specific things in the reality it created. (His name is Jesus Christ)
He is obsessed with saving people, their souls not their flesh machines.
God must allow it, I love him like a doll-machine (my nickname for transgender woman)
the tormentors and evil-doers eventually go to hell, that is the ultimate torment and evil, which is precisely what they want (as written by St Augustine and St Aquinas, men of tremendous intellect)
Then when I am released from my flesh machine I go where doll-machine souls go?

 

[hoppybunny]

It definitely would explain his character. And all the stuff he's done. I was not brought up as catholic or any religion in fact. I rather believe in reincarnation it's definitely more closer to reality. And if reincarnation was the truth, at least you get another chance. And I don't like the idea of you having one life and then you go to him after when you're dead for the rest of eternity.

I think that would just make it worse for the people that end their life and find out you still have the same issues but with eternity on top of it, and having to deal with that horrendous god also.

I also do not like an eternity of existence after I could bearly survive 20 years of it. which is why idealy when i blow my head open I just stop existing. ALso when i think about it, i genuinely do not believe there is any sin a human could commit in a temporary life span, that warrants an eternity of suffering. Which is why I don't like the permanence of christian afterlife. But honestly, reincarnation sounds just as exhausting, especially if it's not just reincarnation as different humans but also just like random ass animals.

I have a non catholic friend and they're very open minded and i asked them to pray for me, and honestly i feel much better than when i posted this. I think if i can discover some form of worship that is seperated from European christianity, i'll feel much better. Cause i'm definitely more agnostic, but the only reason i've stayed catholic instead of switching to like a different branch is because all the other brances seem to be even more self depreciating and mentally damaging. Like I listen to protestant praise and worship or a sermon, and it's always like you should be lucky that God loves a useless piece of shit like you. And that doesn' tmake any sense to me. Plus I can't stand masses/service longer than an hour.

idek what i'm talking about anymore. sorry for rambling.