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collapsenik

collapsenik

22 | ask me about the climate crisis
Jun 1, 2023
32
So I'm back on this site. The weather, the humans around me (I'm from Israel), trumps reelection… the world is fucking hopeless. We've lost the fight against climate change. I don't even care that much about what happens to humans- we deserve it. But oh god all of the animals. The pets. Everything is so so fucked and we're just stuck here because nothing is going to change unless shit gets real fucking violent and nobody wants that. And I feel like nobody around me understands how bad things are going to get in the coming years even though here we can already feel the effects of the heat but what am I expecting from people who support actual starvation of another group of people. Everybody has gone mad but when I say that people should have the option to opt out of this nightmare I'm the mentally ill one?
I just need to know if anyone feels the same as I do.
 
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NearlyIrrelevantCake

NearlyIrrelevantCake

The Cake Is A Lie
Aug 12, 2021
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I see indigenous peoples argue that only genocidal Westerners are killing the planet. Don't blame them, they live in harmony with the Earth.

But homo sapiens have been ruining Earth and driving species to extinction since before they left Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago. Before we had writing, numbers, agriculture, civilization. Before those indigenous societies even existed.
 
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Off_Switch

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Aug 15, 2025
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The nerds (and I use this term in a good way) at MIT have been projecting this for decades:


But collectively, humans, by nature, are sadly always focused more on instant gratification than the inevitable consequences of the future.
 
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Bruce

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Sep 22, 2023
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I see indigenous peoples argue that only genocidal Westerners are killing the planet. Don't blame them, they live in harmony with the Earth.

But homo sapiens have been ruining Earth and driving species to extinction since before they left Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago. Before we had writing, numbers, agriculture, civilization. Before those indigenous societies even existed.
Cupcake you're not completely correct. Some humans did manage to live in harmony with nature. For example some native American Indians hunted the buffalo herds based on how many they were. As in they hunted less when there were less buffaloes. This is one example.

But yeah.. humanity as a whole is a disease for this planet. Even as individuals it's close to impossible to live sustainable. There's no such thing right now.
 
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starinthesky

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Aug 13, 2025
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Cupcake you're not completely correct. Some humans did manage to live in harmony with nature. For example some native American Indians hunted the buffalo herds based on how many they were. As in they hunted less when there were less buffaloes. This is one example.

But yeah.. humanity as a whole is a disease for this planet. Even as individuals it's close to impossible to live sustainable. There's no such thing right now.
I recall there were studies of dozens of peaceful and harmonious tribes in europe, but they all got wiped out by the warring tribes. Being compassionate is sadly not often very advantageous in a realm of universal struggle.
 
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Bruce

Bruce

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Sep 22, 2023
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One has a spear, the other just wants to hug. Who will win!?

I recall there were studies of dozens of peaceful and harmonious tribes in europe, but they all got wiped out by the warring tribes. Being compassionate is sadly not often very advantageous in a realm of universal struggle.
You know, what gets me is that it doesn't have to be like that. If the humans would keep their population and their way of life under control all would be well, or at least much much better. But greed..
 
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collapsenik

collapsenik

22 | ask me about the climate crisis
Jun 1, 2023
32
The nerds (and I use this term in a good way) at MIT have been projecting this for decades:


But collectively, humans, by nature, are sadly always focused more on instant gratification than the inevitable consequences of the future.
That was an interesting read- thanks for posting.
I do think cities could have been great for the planet… if humans weren't so stupid.
I see indigenous peoples argue that only genocidal Westerners are killing the planet. Don't blame them, they live in harmony with the Earth.

But homo sapiens have been ruining Earth and driving species to extinction since before they left Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago. Before we had writing, numbers, agriculture, civilization. Before those indigenous societies even existed.
And the indigenous societies got horribly treated by westerners. The sad thing is when humans see a group of humans that are kinder and more docile, they exploit or destabilize them…
One has a spear, the other just wants to hug. Who will win!?


You know, what gets me is that it doesn't have to be like that. If the humans would keep their population and their way of life under control all would be well, or at least much much better. But greed..
exactly. Unfortunately we live in a system that incentivizes greed and its leaders don't seem keen on letting it go anytime soon.
Also, I know I'm a huge hypocrite. Complaining about humanity preferring its own comfort over survival as I sit on my phone while my government bombs the shit out of poor people.
At least I'll be gone one day.
 
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9137890

9137890

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Aug 21, 2019
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All nothing more than utopic bullshit. That life is miserable on earth has nothing do do with the human. Life in its defined nature is miserable. Pain and life are like two sides of a coin you can not seperate one side from another. If you the evolution of the earth there were a already other catastrophic mass extinctions without the human and even their were not what then? Happy planet? Eh not really like I wrote life is miserable at its definition. Animals are killing each other they are doing a lot of sadistic things to each other. (just google it)

The idea that human could be different, it's not true. Humans are the way they are because this helped them to survive. As life and nature is not funny humans had to evolve hard and selfish otherwise they would got extinct. Life is in its definition competitive all species are fighting again each other in some form.

That the american ancestors have been peaceful without the europeans ... Eh you had history in your school?

In my opinion this planet can go to hell as their is no live is than their any suffering?
 
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collapsenik

collapsenik

22 | ask me about the climate crisis
Jun 1, 2023
32
All nothing more than utopic bullshit. That life is miserable on earth has nothing do do with the human. Life in its defined nature is miserable. Pain and life are like two sides of a coin you can not seperate one side from another. If you the evolution of the earth there were a already other catastrophic mass extinctions without the human and even their were not what then? Happy planet? Eh not really like I wrote life is miserable at its definition. Animals are killing each other they are doing a lot of sadistic things to each other. (just google it)

The idea that human could be different, it's not true. Humans are the way they are because this helped them to survive. As life and nature is not funny humans had to evolve hard and selfish otherwise they would got extinct. Life is in its definition competitive all species are fighting again each other in some form.

That the american ancestors have been peaceful without the europeans ... Eh you had history in your school?
I really don't understand your post, or why it's written like it is.
Animals can be sadistic, but they don't have the capacity of evil- or the ability to choose it- of humans. Dolphins rape each other, but would they have the ability to commit the holocaust? i don't think so.
Also, the thing that annoys me about people is that we have the capacity and intelligence to choose to plan things out and do better but we don't. Yes, life is hard but humanity could have fought other humans less, not committed genocide, and not put our entire trust in big oil and the likes BUT we didn't and now we're locked into destruction.
Finally, I think you're inferring a lot of things from what I said, some of which are not true. And yes, I did have history lessons at school, and I learned about the horrors that the conquistadors committed. I also learned about the nakba(which doesn't happen often in schools in my country).
Surely, humans are not perfect, but we have that tendency to choose the worse option many times.
 
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westerly_merlin

westerly_merlin

Just why?
Aug 13, 2025
6
So I'm back on this site. The weather, the humans around me (I'm from Israel), trumps reelection… the world is fucking hopeless. We've lost the fight against climate change. I don't even care that much about what happens to humans- we deserve it. But oh god all of the animals. The pets. Everything is so so fucked and we're just stuck here because nothing is going to change unless shit gets real fucking violent and nobody wants that. And I feel like nobody around me understands how bad things are going to get in the coming years even though here we can already feel the effects of the heat but what am I expecting from people who support actual starvation of another group of people. Everybody has gone mad but when I say that people should have the option to opt out of this nightmare I'm the mentally ill one?
I just need to know if anyone feels the same as I do.
The planet has lasted for 4.5 billion years, some eons have been much hotter than now and some much colder. As the climate switched there were mass extinctions and these are what define the eras (sorry for the nerdy reply but I am a geologist). With every change in climate a different species has taken advantage and flourished.

At the moment the dominant life form on this planet is royally fucking up the climate and (hopefully) it will become so inhospitable to them that they will die off in a mass extinction. In effect the human race will commit suicide, and nature will allow another animal species to dominate the planet in the form we left it. Humans will just be fossils buried in a layer of concrete, steel and tarmac for the next intelligent species to dig up and investigate. Maybe their kids will play with model humans 🤔
 
thelastmessiah

thelastmessiah

nihil nihil nihil, this swansong towards nothing
Jun 15, 2025
22
Learning about that guy David Suzuki in school growing up here in Canada and now hearing him say things which agree with my viewpoints like this is very surreal and I love it a lot. Our overdeveloped human brains and hands which can make good use of it have made it completely inevitable that we'd eventually end up in global ecological overshoot after we evolved into a mental overshoot.

https://www.okdoomer.io/10-reasons-our-civilization-will-soon-collapse/
 
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Bruce

Bruce

Mage
Sep 22, 2023
591
All nothing more than utopic bullshit. That life is miserable on earth has nothing do do with the human. Life in its defined nature is miserable. Pain and life are like two sides of a coin you can not seperate one side from another. If you the evolution of the earth there were a already other catastrophic mass extinctions without the human and even their were not what then? Happy planet? Eh not really like I wrote life is miserable at its definition. Animals are killing each other they are doing a lot of sadistic things to each other. (just google it)

The idea that human could be different, it's not true. Humans are the way they are because this helped them to survive. As life and nature is not funny humans had to evolve hard and selfish otherwise they would got extinct. Life is in its definition competitive all species are fighting again each other in some form.

That the american ancestors have been peaceful without the europeans ... Eh you had history in your school?

In my opinion this planet can go to hell as their is no live is than their any suffering?
Sure, nothing to do with us. Complete annihilation of everything wherever we go, nothing to do with us, it just happens, it's normal. Of course, we do this to survive. How could we do that without super cars, super housing, electronics, drugs, alcohol, smokes etc etc!? That's right, we should be selfish as fuck and continue with the extermination operation!

History? Mate? I don't think you know what history is.
 
Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

Enlightened
Aug 28, 2021
1,174
I see no problem, when we have destroyed this planet we travel to the next one and do it there again. I am somehow proud to belong to the most dangerous and unpleasant species in our galaxy. Is better to be a predator than a prey!
 
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Daphne

Student
Jul 23, 2025
151
I'm old and things have never been this bad. Greed has always ruled but even more so now. My country is no longer a democracy, it's a crony capitalist oligarchy. Our checks and balances system is being dismantled in unprecidated ways. There is no job growth. Within 15 years, jobs will be lost due to AI, leaving millions unemployed. I hope younger gens will be able to organize and revolt, bit unfortunately social media has turned us against each other. And most rich folk who pretend to be concerned aboit climate change don't actually care because it doesn't affect them.

So yeah, we are getting closer to the end of times
 
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ididnotconsent

ididnotconsent

Experienced
Mar 16, 2025
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Cupcake you're not completely correct. Some humans did manage to live in harmony with nature. For example some native American Indians hunted the buffalo herds based on how many they were. As in they hunted less when there were less buffaloes. This is one example.

But yeah.. humanity as a whole is a disease for this planet. Even as individuals it's close to impossible to live sustainable. There's no such thing right now.
I see indigenous peoples argue that only genocidal Westerners are killing the planet. Don't blame them, they live in harmony with the Earth.

But homo sapiens have been ruining Earth and driving species to extinction since before they left Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago. Before we had writing, numbers, agriculture, civilization. Before those indigenous societies even existed.
People need to stop romanticizing Native Americans for fuck sake. They regularly had war parties where they would go and take over weaker tribes, kill the men, enslave the women, and take all of their resources. They certainly didn't live in harmony with their neighbors. This was very common before the white man even stepped foot in North America. They were fucked up, they were never these holy shamans who lived at peace with the earth and smoked peace pipes and what not. That is a fantasy. Now they were a bit easier on the environment because they were hunter-gatherers and only killed what they needed.
 
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Suspect_Device

Student
Jul 10, 2022
141
I'm in the southern US and the heat is always horrible this month and next. You can't even go outside for more than 30 minutes during the day cause it's (at best) extremely unpleasent. Every summer here for the past five years I've lost my shit, the heat feels like a prison it is literally boiling my brain. I think everyone knows deep down (even the right ring dipshits here) that shit is only going to get worse and humanity is on its permanent downward curve on the graph.
 
9137890

9137890

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Aug 21, 2019
92
I really don't understand your post, or why it's written like it is.
Animals can be sadistic, but they don't have the capacity of evil- or the ability to choose it- of humans. Dolphins rape each other, but would they have the ability to commit the holocaust? i don't think so.
Also, the thing that annoys me about people is that we have the capacity and intelligence to choose to plan things out and do better but we don't. Yes, life is hard but humanity could have fought other humans less, not committed genocide, and not put our entire trust in big oil and the likes BUT we didn't and now we're locked into destruction.
Finally, I think you're inferring a lot of things from what I said, some of which are not true. And yes, I did have history lessons at school, and I learned about the horrors that the conquistadors committed. I also learned about the nakba(which doesn't happen often in schools in my country).
Surely, humans are not perfect, but we have that tendency to choose the worse option many times.
My kind of writing is always like this. I guess I am just an asshole. An asshole who likes cause of boringness to mirror the stupidity of people.

I did not mean the crimes of the conquistadors as everyone knows this. I meaned the crimes what the native americans did. The aztecs did: "Hearts cut out or were decapitated, shot full of arrows, clawed, sliced, stoned, crushed, skinned, buried alive or tossed from the tops of temples." The Mayas were similar and also the Indians did crimes on beaten enemy tribes. That they did it's proven at least most of it as you can find corpses, just the number it still discussed. This is also the reason why the europes have beaten the aztecs so easily, because they confederate with the local people an rebelion (It was not just tecnological advance). Many of this crimes of the spanish conquistadors are exaggerated like the witch hunt in europe is by far exaggerated. As most of the native people died on the illness what the europes carry in. You could blame them for this but they did not know much about illness in this time.

This thing with the humans could do something else, I tried to deny. What we choose is at the end just the product of our brain working. Our brains are here to secure of survival and of our next children and next of our surroundings. Not anything else. Of course you can argue that the well being of the world is also our well being so our brain should care. This entirely true, but we are not in the evolutionary state to think that far. When our lower brain parts choose to be egoistic than it does not matter what our higher brain counscious parts know or not. We are all chained by causality their is no other way out.

As light and dark are not seperable from each other is also not peace and war, pleasure and pain, humility and gruelty. When some one chooses to help some, be kind, and respectful their is another one who had to choose to be evil. This is not only my thinking, look at buddha, Nietsche, Schopenhauer they will all tell you life and pain are not sepperable from each other.
 
Bruce

Bruce

Mage
Sep 22, 2023
591
Now they were a bit easier on the environment because they were hunter-gatherers and only killed what they needed.
Now what I said was that some humans did manage to live in harmony with nature, SOME humans. I'm sure there were assholes in every age and place just as today. The point that I was trying to make is that it can be done. Humans CAN live in relative harmony with the environment. By relative I mean not taking more then they need. They just don't want to because we're greedy bastards.
 

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