Method Guns/firearms megathread

[leloyon]

Shotgun question for everyone: is there any reason to go for the heart instead of head?

If you want to leave your face intact. That's about the only reason.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

For a guaranteed death and if you don't want to disfigure yourself.

But won't you be alive for a period of time? I think a Headshot would be near instantaneous, correct?

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

But won't you be alive for a period of time? I think a Headshot would be near instantaneous, correct?

Some people prefer to suffer a little more, just to be displayed in an open casket at their funeral. A gunshot to the head leads to instant death because it destroys the entire mechanism that creates consciousness.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

For a guaranteed death

More guaranteed than head?!

A gunshot to the head leads to instant death because it destroys the entire mechanism that creates consciousness.

It really is the way to go. Hanging looks quick but there's still a moment of strangling. I think I might do it at home too, sticking family with the mess. Sorry. I think I'll only do it where I'm comfortable. (I don't want to go to a park or something.)

 

[Liebestod]

But won't you be alive for a period of time? I think a Headshot would be near instantaneous, correct?

Yes and you will most likely experience pain or shock.

More guaranteed than head?!

Yup, there's no cases of anybody surviving a contact shotgun blast to the chest unlike with some headshots due to them missing the brain.

 

[justanotherbody]

I've been considering the chest shot vs head shot, myself. Just for extra certainty.

My uncle killed himself via chest shot. Might make it difficult for my family to deal with (considering I was, uh, named after him).

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Yes and you will most likely experience pain or shock.

Yup, there's no cases of anybody surviving a contact shotgun blast to the chest unlike with some headshots due to them missing the brain.

There's no cases of anybody surviving a shotgun blast through the mouth aimed at the brainstem. That would be a like for like comparison.

 

[Liebestod]

There's no cases of anybody surviving a shotgun blast through the mouth aimed at the brainstem. That would be a like for like comparison.

Key word "due to them missing the brain". It still counts as a headshot if they aim up the chin or aim in the mouth and don't hit their brain.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Key word "due to them missing the brain".

With a chest shot, you are deliberately aiming at a particular part of the body - ie the heart.

So you need to compare that with people deliberately aiming at another part of the body for a fair comparison.

People putting a shotgun under their chin are not deliberately aiming for their brain.

Anyone who deliberately aims for the brain with a shotgun, is not surviving.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

With a chest shot, you are deliberately aiming at a particular part of the body - ie the heart.

So you need to compare that with people deliberately aiming at another part of the body for a fair comparison.

People putting a shotgun under their chin are not deliberately aiming for their brain.

Anyone who deliberately aims for the brain with a shotgun, is not surviving.

I guess I'm worried about the correct angle. I'm thinking of 12G shotgun in my mouth.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I guess I'm worried about the correct angle. I'm thinking of 12G shotgun in my mouth.

The brainstem is basically located behind your ears if you look at the diagrams. If you picture an imaginary line connecting the middle of both ears, you're aiming for the centre point of that line.

With a 12G shotgun, so long as it's pointed at your brain you have a good margin of error in terms of accuracy. It has way more power than you actually need to get the job done.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

I'm not sure where I should CTB with the 12G. I live in an apartment..... Lots of smoke detectors in my apartment..... I can possibly do it in the bathroom, close the door and turn on the fan. Or I have a balcony but that faces other apartments... I can always do it on the balcony at night when it's dark out. Really don't want to do it in the car somewhere but I guess that I could...... But where? I thought about going to a public park but I'm sure that's patrolled by law enforcement . And I don't want any passerbys to see me . Any suggestions?

 

[aRose]

I have a 9mm Springfield handgun. I want it to work but not blow my entire head off.
FMJ or hallow point???
How precise do I need to be???

 

[itsgone2]

I have a 9mm Springfield handgun. I want it to work but not blow my entire head off.
FMJ or hallow point???
How precise do I need to be???

Can I ask which Springfield? I just started looking at xd-m based on suggestion from @gottacheckout in another thread.

 

[aRose]

that's what I have yeah

Can I ask which Springfield? I just started looking at xd-m based on suggestion from @gottacheckout in another thread.

 

[gottacheckout]

I have a 9mm Springfield handgun. I want it to work but not blow my entire head off.
FMJ or hallow point???
How precise do I need to be???

Hollow point so it spreads out upon impact. There is a bit of leeway there.

Can I ask which Springfield? I just started looking at xd-m based on suggestion from @gottacheckout in another thread.

The xd is just as good for this purpose as is the xd-s.

 

[aRose]

Now I gotta go watch the Full Metal Jacket scene again I guess lol

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I'm not sure where I should CTB with the 12G. I live in an apartment..... Lots of smoke detectors in my apartment..... I can possibly do it in the bathroom, close the door and turn on the fan. Or I have a balcony but that faces other apartments... I can always do it on the balcony at night when it's dark out. Really don't want to do it in the car somewhere but I guess that I could...... But where? I thought about going to a public park but I'm sure that's patrolled by law enforcement . And I don't want any passerbys to see me . Any suggestions?

does anyone think this is correct? will they hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment ,especially the next door neighbors in the apartment complex.

yeah the fire alarm might go off. i live in an apartment too. but wouldn't the neighbors hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment it went off in ? but the fire alarm would cause them to burst in quicker . if they hear a shotgun or rifle go off which they will imo cause it's so loud. i think some will know what apartment it went off on and call the police. what will they do? i guess they'll call the police immediately. they wouldn't burst in themselves. so it would be however long the police take to get there.

does anyone think this is correct? will they hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment ,especially the next door neighbors in the apartment complex.

i know it won't matter if the shot kills me instantly which is what i;m hoping for .

 

[aRose]

does anyone think this is correct? will they hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment ,especially the next door neighbors in the apartment complex.

yeah the fire alarm might go off. i live in an apartment too. but wouldn't the neighbors hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment it went off in ? but the fire alarm would cause them to burst in quicker . if they hear a shotgun or rifle go off which they will imo cause it's so loud. i think some will know what apartment it went off on and call the police. what will they do? i guess they'll call the police immediately. they wouldn't burst in themselves. so it would be however long the police take to get there.

does anyone think this is correct? will they hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment ,especially the next door neighbors in the apartment complex.

i know it won't matter if the shot kills me instantly which is what i;m hoping for .

Depends on a few things - are gunshots prevalent in your neighborhood? Ppl become desensitized sometimes. I grew up in the country but just a mile from a gun range so gunfire in the distance doesn't do much to my thoughts.
I bet your immediate neighbors will hear it loudest and may call someone.
I'd be more worried about who is on the other side of the wall on the off chance the bullet passes further than you anticipated. I've heard of ppl getting shot by stray bullets in their own homes so it's not unheard of.

 

[gottacheckout]

Yes and you will most likely experience pain or shock.

Yup, there's no cases of anybody surviving a contact shotgun blast to the chest unlike with some headshots due to them missing the brain.

I'd like to know your basis for saying this, what is the source you are quoting? According to "lost all hope" a shotgun blast to the head is 99% fatal where as a blast to the chest is 96.4%. That alone indicates that some have survived a blast to the chest.

I've looked and cannot find any study that indicates that a contract shotgun shot to the chest is 100% fatal. Last time I asked you this question you quoted a study with the sample size of 4. How much experience do you have in handling guns, my experience is 55 years. I have guns older than you. Who did your training? My general training was by the nra every ten years. I've also been trained for a concealed handgun license by several organizations. Currently chl in 38 states, the only ones I'm missing are those states I doubt I'll visit or California.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

does anyone think this is correct? will they hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment ,especially the next door neighbors in the apartment complex.

yeah the fire alarm might go off. i live in an apartment too. but wouldn't the neighbors hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment it went off in ? but the fire alarm would cause them to burst in quicker . if they hear a shotgun or rifle go off which they will imo cause it's so loud. i think some will know what apartment it went off on and call the police. what will they do? i guess they'll call the police immediately. they wouldn't burst in themselves. so it would be however long the police take to get there.

does anyone think this is correct? will they hear the shotgun or rifle and know which apartment ,especially the next door neighbors in the apartment complex.

i know it won't matter if the shot kills me instantly which is what i;m hoping for .

I fully expect the shot to be heard... depending on if I do it in the bathroom or on the balcony I don't think my neighbors would know where the shot originated from especially if I do it at night.

 

[Liebestod]

I'd like to know your basis for saying this, what is the source you are quoting? According to "lost all hope" a shotgun blast to the head is 99% fatal where as a blast to the chest is 96.4%. That alone indicates that some have survived a blast to the chest.

I've looked and cannot find any study that indicates that a contract shotgun shot to the chest is 100% fatal. Last time I asked you this question you quoted a study with the sample size of 4. How much experience do you have in handling guns, my experience is 55 years. I have guns older than you. Who did your training? My general training was by the nra every ten years. I've also been trained for a concealed handgun license by several organizations. Currently chl in 38 states, the only ones I'm missing are those states I doubt I'll visit or California.

The basis I'm quoting is that there are cases of people surviving shotgun blasts to the head due to improper aim and that I can't find any cases of anyone surviving CONTACT shotgun blasts to the chest, if you find any cases please link them. The only ones I could find are shots to the neck not to the chest. For the record I don't think I've ever interacted with you so I don't know what you're talking about when you say you've asked me this question. The notion that a properly aligned chest shot is fatal is due to the destruction of the heart. Obviously headshots are fatal, A PROPERLY ALIGNED one is guaranteed to cause death, but shots that only take off the jaw or the face are still considered headshots. Above all else this proves that aim is the single most important factor when it comes to gunshot suicide but my response to OP was that people would aim for the chest to not end up disfiguring themselves, on note for lethality they're essentially the same with my inclusion of chest shots being more lethal on a classification technicality due to how the shots are categorized. I'm really interested in the 96.4% stat you cited though, as I've searched for a long time trying to find cases of people surviving contact shotgun blasts to the chest. I'll change my stance if you or anyone else could provide empirical evidence that shows survivors for contact chest shots, though I don't even know how anyone would survive such a shot as the heart would be pulverized and no medical procedure could repair that kind of destruction.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

The basis I'm quoting is that there are cases of people surviving shotgun blasts to the head due to improper aim and that I can't find any cases of anyone surviving CONTACT shotgun blasts to the chest, if you find any cases please link them. The only ones I could find are shots to the neck not to the chest. For the record I don't think I've ever interacted with you so I don't know what you're talking about when you say you've asked me this question. The notion that a properly aligned chest shot is fatal is due to the destruction of the heart. Obviously headshots are fatal, A PROPERLY ALIGNED one is guaranteed to cause death, but shots that only take off the jaw or the face are still considered headshots. Above all else this proves that aim is the single most important factor when it comes to gunshot suicide but my response to OP was that people would aim for the chest to not end up disfiguring themselves, on note for lethality they're essentially the same with my inclusion of chest shots being more lethal on a classification technicality due to how the shots are categorized. I'm really interested in the 96.4% stat you cited though, as I've searched for a long time trying to find cases of people surviving contact shotgun blasts to the chest. I'll change my stance if you or anyone else could provide empirical evidence that shows survivors for contact chest shots, though I don't even know how anyone would survive such a shot as the heart would be pulverized and no medical procedure could repair that kind of destruction.

I think I'd have an easier time finding and shooting my brain versus my heart..... What if I miss my heart? Plus, I don't want to see my chest blown apart while I'm dying

 

[Liebestod]

I think I'd have an easier time finding and shooting my brain versus my heart..... What if I miss my heart? Plus, I don't want to see my chest blown apart while I'm dying

It is easier to aim for your brain than for your heart, I actually recommend a headshot over a chest shot for that very reason. It's also hard to miss your heart if you actually aim at your chest and you're also using a shotgun so the spread will pulverize it anyway.

 

[gottacheckout]

Most lethal methods of suicide - Lost All Hope

For information on the most lethal methods of suicide, a good starting point is the statistics on the number of successful suicides by method (see Suicide statistics). There is also a much published study from 19951, where 291 lay persons and 10 forensic pathologists rated the lethality, time...

lostallhope.com

Here is the 96.4 % found on a highly regarded site by a lot of people on this site.

Have you ever shot a target from 0", a contact shot? Spread will be the same as a slug, in other words the size of the barrel.

Defensive Shotgun Patterning: Deconstructing the one inch per yard myth

Sage advice? We can’t even begin to count the amount of times we’ve read, been told or heard someone say that shotgun patterns spread about 1″ per yard after exiting the barrel. …

rifleshooter.com

Myth-Busting: 1″ per Yard Shotgun Pattern Spreads

Grandpa always used to tell me that buckshot spread 1' for every yard from gun. I took him for his word, but suspected he was wrong after patterning my 870

www.thefirearmblog.com

Lil Wayne Details Surviving a Suicide Attempt at 12, Talks Mental Health: 'I Am Here for a Reason'

Lil Wayne opened up to Emmanuel Acho about his mental health and how he survived a suicide attempt when he was just 12 years old

people.com

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

So my biggest concern with using a 12G shotgun is correct placement in my mouth. Do I have it pressed up against the roof of my mouth?

 

[Boardinboy101]

I am wondering if side of the head with a shotgun is possible and if so where exactly to aim?

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

I am wondering if side of the head with a shotgun is possible and if so where exactly to aim?

That would be difficult to have a steady aim for I would think. To answer your question, I've read here that aiming just above the ear is ideal

 

[twoeyedcyclop]

I have a question about black powder weapons (in my country, you can still buy them without a license). From what I've read, they are weaker, i.e., they have a lower bullet velocity. My question is, could this lead to failure?

In addition, I am a little concerned about the cartridges, because you have to make them yourself, and it would be nice to practice somewhere. I am afraid that when I am ready and pull the trigger, the bullet will not fire and something else will happen that could injure me, which would be a big problem if I survive.

 

[uniquejam]

I have a question about black powder weapons (in my country, you can still buy them without a license). From what I've read, they are weaker, i.e., they have a lower bullet velocity. My question is, could this lead to failure?

Don't know specifically how much bullet velocity affects success, but higher caliber will definitely increase chance of hitting brain stem and larger wound.

In addition, I am a little concerned about the cartridges, because you have to make them yourself, and it would be nice to practice somewhere.
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I'm also curious if this, or 3d printing guns, are topics that have been discussed here. But you may be able to get an answer on https://www.reddit.com/r/blackpowder/ subreddit- also, I don't know anything about black powder weapons, but it seems like they may not cartridges at all? And if they do fire cartridges, those might be for sale somewhere.