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[easyb123]

Thank you vm for your detailed info -much appreciated

Thank you this is so helpful. Are there any drawbacks to planning to do this (shotgun) on a rented boat? If I can get my hands on SN I was planning to take it first before gsw as a failsafe. Home is not an option, I prefer not to ruin my car & hotel rm concerns me with obvious faster em response so renting a small boat seemed like the best option I've come up with so far that would afford me more privacy & time after for successful exit in case something goes sideways. Can you see any logistical issues I might have missed w this idea?

Thank you this info is so helpful

Any thoughts on my rented boat idea?

 

[leloyon]

If u see the video will see why .460 magnum handgun, 2000 fps velocity.

Higher velocity causes more rapid more explosive expansion of hollow point bullets which delivers more energy to the brain

If I were to suicide with the shooting method I would use the longest barrel 12 gauge shotgun i can put deep inside mouth against soft palate angled 45 degree angle . Like a diagonal angle aimed at brainstem. I would use 3 inch magnum slugs or 3 inch magnum buckshot 00 or 000 or 0000 magnun buckshot.

Also could use a rifle especially a magnum rifle like a 300 win mag or 338 win mag

If I were using a handgun I would use the .460 Smith and Wesson magnum

If u see the video u will see why

This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas.
If I were in America, I'd just get a 9mm. To be honest, I'd probably use a .40 or .45, but that's moreso personal preference, I would know damn well that a 9mm suffices because I also know I will be aiming it correctly.

Any shotgun will do. I'd be iffy about those .410 revolvers, but otherwise they literally just work. Doesn't need to have a super long barrel.
Nor does it need to be pressed directly against one's soft palate, that just seems like a great way to make one's final moments as uncomfortable as possible.

Whether using a handgun or any other firearm, I would put the barrel just past my teeth and aim it slightly upwards, so that, if viewed from the side, it would appear as if it is pointing towards my ear. No protractor needed.

This post mostly applies for self defense but Jesus Christ... "Since that time millions of men carry pistol of 9 millimeters. Is good enough for them with stupid Geneva treaty ball bullet. Is good enough for you with ten roubles per cartridge hollow nose bullet and fancy brass of nickel plating." Terrible Slavic stereotypes aside, yeah. Hardened soldiers trust 9mm pistols loaded with standard FMJ rounds. I'm sure a 9mm loaded with JHP will do whatever it is that needs doing.

(none of this post is advice on anything and only speaks of hypothetical situations)

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Any thoughts on my rented boat idea?

It sounds good to me as long as the water isn't rough or you are not in some crowded bay. If you want to disappear too you could arrange yourself in a position on the edge of the boat in a way that you will fall off. That would be double fail safe: drowning, your SN, and of course the gun.

This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas.
If I were in America, I'd just get a 9mm. To be honest, I'd probably use a .40 or .45, but that's moreso personal preference, I would know damn well that a 9mm suffices because I also know I will be aiming it correctly.

Any shotgun will do. I'd be iffy about those .410 revolvers, but otherwise they literally just work. Doesn't need to have a super long barrel.
Nor does it need to be pressed directly against one's soft palate, that just seems like a great way to make one's final moments as uncomfortable as possible.

Whether using a handgun or any other firearm, I would put the barrel just past my teeth and aim it slightly upwards, so that, if viewed from the side, it would appear as if it is pointing towards my ear. No protractor needed.

This post mostly applies for self defense but Jesus Christ... "Since that time millions of men carry pistol of 9 millimeters. Is good enough for them with stupid Geneva treaty ball bullet. Is good enough for you with ten roubles per cartridge hollow nose bullet and fancy brass of nickel plating." Terrible Slavic stereotypes aside, yeah. Hardened soldiers trust 9mm pistols loaded with standard FMJ rounds. I'm sure a 9mm loaded with JHP will do whatever it is that needs doing.
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(none of this post is advice on anything and only speaks of hypothetical situations)

"This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas."

Why do you say that? In something like this you want to be very sure. You don't want to take any chances being left a half alive vegetable for years, or lying on the ground conscious but unable to move being eaten by animals. Overkill is better. 9mm is often considered somewhat marginal in police work. There have been numerous incidents where police have shot criminals multiple times with a 9mm and yet they are still fighting. I remember a video showing - not a person but a pit bull - shot 15 times with 9mm before it was stopped.

Also, very important point: The police and military likes 9mm handguns because they have high capacity, multiple shots. We don't have the luxury of multiple shots, just one.

 

[easyb123]

It sounds good to me as long as the water isn't rough or you are not in some crowded bay. If you want to disappear too you could arrange yourself in a position on the edge of the boat in a way that you will fall off. That would be double fail safe: drowning, your SN, and of course the gun.



"This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas."

Why do you say that? In something like this you want to be very sure. You don't want to take any chances being left a half alive vegetable for years, or lying on the ground conscious but unable to move being eaten by animals. Overkill is better. 9mm is often considered somewhat marginal in police work. There have been numerous incidents where police have shot criminals multiple times with a 9mm and yet they are still fighting. I remember a video showing - not a person but a pit bull - shot 15 times with 9mm before it was stopped.

Thank you -Great point

 

[leloyon]

Why do you say that?

Because they are portraying it as if the only options, at least outside of shotguns, are prohibitively expensive and incredibly overkill. You do not need a (minimum) 800$ weapon designed to hunt large game to do the job. You do not need to completely destroy all traces of yourself, a la McNutt, to do the job.

In something like this you want to be very sure.

And this shilling of overkill weapons does nothing but make people unsure and uncertain about things which they should be very sure and confident in. And it's even lead people to becoming unsure of weapons that previously, everyone had been in agreement were the 100% guaranteed option that should eliminate any uncertainty. But with all the fearmongering, eventually even the guns everyone could agree would do the trick became "is this really adequate enough?"

You don't want to take any chances being left a half alive vegetable for years, or lying on the ground conscious but unable to move being eaten by animals.

And, if you aim properly, you won't.

Overkill is better.

This line of thinking does not take into account that some people do not have access to whatever ridiculously overpowered weapon they want, and needlessly sows doubt into their mind, as well as simply sowing the seeds of doubt into everyone in general. It is, once again, portraying anything short of the most powerful firearms on the market as being inadequate and thus having a high risk of failure should they be tried, which is blatantly false. I have noted previously that about 90% of handgun suicides are successful, and I am willing to bet that most of those are people who used common caliber handguns (9mm, .45, .40, .380, probably even .22) rather than the BFGs being suggested here as of late.
The insistence to shill the overpowered guns, and disregarding anything less as inadequate and likely to fail, is nothing more than needless fearmongering that serves nothing except to make people unreasonably scared.
How about we just tell everyone that unless one shoots themselves directly in the brainstem with an anti-tank rifle, they're going to survive and live as a vegetable for the rest of their years, and that literally anything less will just result in failure? Since, y'know, overkill is better and anything less than overkill will result in failure.

9mm is often considered somewhat marginal in police work. There have been numerous incidents where police have shot criminals multiple times with a 9mm and yet they are still fighting. I remember a video showing - not a person but a pit bull - shot 15 times with 9mm before it was stopped.

Those who consider 9mm inadequate are usually fudds and their opinions are typically subject to ridicule. And even if they weren't, what do they suggest? I'm willing to bet something along the lines of .45 ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum or 10mm, around that ballpark. Hardly the monster calibers being thrown around recently.
Also, when it comes to self-defense training, people are typically trained to aim center-mass, not at the head. We are talking about shots to the chest here, not a case where someone is aiming a weapon at their brainstem point-blank.
Adrenaline and/or drug use can account for most cases where people continue to fight after having been shot.

Also, very important point: The police and military likes 9mm handguns because they have high capacity, multiple shots. We don't have the luxury of multiple shots, just one.

And because they are lethal enough.

 

[anonymousperson]

I've read all of this but am so clueless when it comes to guns I still am not sure what the consensus is on the best gun and caliber to guarantee death? A shotgun with .45? Am I understanding correctly?

 

[alwaysalone]

I've read all of this but am so clueless when it comes to guns I still am not sure what the consensus is on the best gun and caliber to guarantee death? A shotgun with .45? Am I understanding correctly?

Unfortunately you're not. A shot gun has shells. Bird shot/waterfowl (less lethal smaller shot) buck shot (larger game bigger shot) the shot gun itself comes in gauges. A .45 caliber is for pistols/handguns. Handguns come in varying calibers. Smaller like the .22 to xl like the .50cal. Imo and most others who actually know, have fired and have experience with fire arms agree a shotgun in the mouth with buckshot will definitely kill you.

 

[leloyon]

I've read all of this but am so clueless when it comes to guns I still am not sure what the consensus is on the best gun and caliber to guarantee death? A shotgun with .45? Am I understanding correctly?

Shotguns do not use .45. .45 generally refers to .45 ACP, which is a pistol cartridge, though is used in some pistol-caliber carbines.
Generally, a shotgun (preferably 12 gauge) loaded with 00 Buckshot is recommended. However, if one opts to use a handgun, a 9mm is sufficient, however more powerful cartridges can be used if desired, .45 ACP being one.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Because they are portraying it as if the only options, at least outside of shotguns, are prohibitively expensive and incredibly overkill. You do not need a (minimum) 800$ weapon designed to hunt large game to do the job. You do not need to completely destroy all traces of yourself, a la McNutt, to do the job.

And this shilling of overkill weapons does nothing but make people unsure and uncertain about things which they should be very sure and confident in. And it's even lead people to becoming unsure of weapons that previously, everyone had been in agreement were the 100% guaranteed option that should eliminate any uncertainty. But with all the fearmongering, eventually even the guns everyone could agree would do the trick became "is this really adequate enough?"

And, if you aim properly, you won't.

This line of thinking does not take into account that some people do not have access to whatever ridiculously overpowered weapon they want, and needlessly sows doubt into their mind, as well as simply sowing the seeds of doubt into everyone in general. It is, once again, portraying anything short of the most powerful firearms on the market as being inadequate and thus having a high risk of failure should they be tried, which is blatantly false. I have noted previously that about 90% of handgun suicides are successful, and I am willing to bet that most of those are people who used common caliber handguns (9mm, .45, .40, .380, probably even .22) rather than the BFGs being suggested here as of late.
The insistence to shill the overpowered guns, and disregarding anything less as inadequate and likely to fail, is nothing more than needless fearmongering that serves nothing except to make people unreasonably scared.
How about we just tell everyone that unless one shoots themselves directly in the brainstem with an anti-tank rifle, they're going to survive and live as a vegetable for the rest of their years, and that literally anything less will just result in failure? Since, y'know, overkill is better and anything less than overkill will result in failure.

Those who consider 9mm inadequate are usually fudds and their opinions are typically subject to ridicule. And even if they weren't, what do they suggest? I'm willing to bet something along the lines of .45 ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum or 10mm, around that ballpark. Hardly the monster calibers being thrown around recently.
Also, when it comes to self-defense training, people are typically trained to aim center-mass, not at the head. We are talking about shots to the chest here, not a case where someone is aiming a weapon at their brainstem point-blank.
Adrenaline and/or drug use can account for most cases where people continue to fight after having been shot.

And because they are lethal enough.

A shotgun is not only the most effective, but In most places a 12 guage shotgun is much easier to acquire legally and less expensive than a handgun, especially a rather exotic super high powered handgun, or even your 9mm for that matter.

 

[leloyon]

A shotgun is not only the most effective, but In most places a 12 guage shotgun is much easier to acquire legally and less expensive than a handgun, especially a rather exotic super high powered handgun, or even your 9mm for that matter.

Never said it wasn't, I was mostly arguing against the recommendation for a .460 S&W handgun or a .300 Win. Mag. or .338 Lapua Magnum. However, even in the case of the shotgun, it does not need to be pressed directly against the soft palate (just aimed at the brainstem, it is point blank either way; pressing it directly against the soft palate just makes it significantly more uncomfortable) and the barrel length will be sufficient no matter what shotgun is used.

 

[hippiedeath]

With a shotgun shell filled with buckshot, you have 5 or 6 projectiles entering your cranium instead of just one. Shotgun shot travels just as fast as a single bullet with as much force. Much more lethal.

 

[uniquejam]

Transporting a shotgun after purchase - Options for transport kind of limited since I don't own a car.
One shop I went to said I would need a car, can't sell to someone who has to walk with a shotgun around (pretty sure it would be legal by state law, but its not really a gun state so I understand it would cause suspicion).
Would a gun case be enough, in anyone's experience? Head to shop by uber, and walk back?

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Never said it wasn't, I was mostly arguing against the recommendation for a .460 S&W handgun or a .300 Win. Mag. or .338 Lapua Magnum. However, even in the case of the shotgun, it does not need to be pressed directly against the soft palate (just aimed at the brainstem, it is point blank either way; pressing it directly against the soft palate just makes it significantly more uncomfortable) and the barrel length will be sufficient no matter what shotgun is used.

Yes, u r right about the soft pallet stuff. Maybe tho if it was inserted farther into the mouth and the lips closed around the barrel the gas release pressure would be greater.

Once I read that if you first filled your mouth with water it would cause your whole head to explode. I don't see how that would be practical though.

One fellow here had an original plan with his shotgun. He thought that the hardest part - overcoming SI - was pulling the trigger - just that one inch motion of the finger - and I know how true that is. His plan was to attach weights to the trigger attached to a cord, then point the shotgun at the side of the head, and then all you would have to do is release the weights and let it fall thus pulling the trigger, the theory being that just releasing the weights would be a much easier thing to do, relative to SI, than that one inch movement of the finger. I believe that he may well be correct.

Transporting a shotgun after purchase - Options for transport kind of limited since I don't own a car.
One shop I went to said I would need a car, can't sell to someone who has to walk with a shotgun around (pretty sure it would be legal by state law, but its not really a gun state so I understand it would cause suspicion).
Would a gun case be enough, in anyone's experience? Head to shop by uber, and walk back?

Of course you can't walk out of the store holding a shotgun. What you would do is bring a nondescript sack of some kind - not a gun case! - to put it in after breaking it down. The store though may well insist on you taking it out in its box and not permit you to handle it to break it down, tho they might do that for you. I guess that's up to them. If you need to bring it out full length in its box you would need a large enough sack or backpack.

 

[leloyon]

One fellow here had an original plan with his shotgun. He thought that the hardest part - overcoming SI - was pulling the trigger - just that one inch motion of the finger - and I know how true that is. His plan was to attach weights to the trigger attached to a cord, then point the shotgun at the side of the head, and then all you would have to do is release the weights and let it fall thus pulling the trigger, the theory being that just releasing the weights would be a much easier thing to do, relative to SI, than that one inch movement of the finger. I believe that he may well be correct.

Probably would have just as much SI attached to it as pulling a trigger, but that rig reminded me of the shotgun helmet.