Venting Gruesome methods are result of forcing people to live

[Sergeant45]

Greetings,


I believe gruesome or ''scary'' methods are the result of societies* in which the most important thing is to live for whatever reasons, something no one ever asked for.


*Societies that fail to give all types of suicidal people a reason to stay and to protect them.
I don't think there is anyone out there who seriously woke up one day, and randomly picked to catch the bus by setting themselves on fire, hold through severe organ damage after poisoning done wrong, [insert more dignity-taking methods here], and so on. If there is, they are not the majority. Methods like these are usually result of forcefully bending everything ever to force people to live. Making dying as difficult as they can. ''So you might as well suffer if you make it'' (sarcasm off).

I wish I could die of something like SN, or quickly. Without turning an outsider's day to total shit and possibly trauma, there are enough traumatized people in this world already. I don't deserve to have to find a cure to my illness by smashing my head open from a long fall or blasting my face all over the place. Nobody does. Especially not because their region will never make up their mind on assisted ctb. However there will likely be no other options for me, unless I magically find someone with the tools to SN or firearms willing to pick up or fly in a total stranger for free, and I do not expect that. (Although, that would be a total delusional dream come true for me).

I do understand and hear why those safety precautions are in order, though. ''What if everyone just started to kill themselves?'' and ''suicide = bad''. I know that is what they are thinking. I understand, but a better question is, why so many people even would begin to kill themselves, if it were more accessible? That sounds like the factors of that problem lie elsewhere. And they need talked about... However that would totally blow up what this thread was really for, so I will do it another day.


Thank you if you've taken the time to read my venting post. This is something I think about often.


Regards

 

[jewelxxet]

Without turning an outsider's day to total shit and possibly trauma, there are enough traumatized people in this world already.

since society itself is making this harder than it needs to be, what if we stop caring about this exact thing? its all their fault. they deserve to get traumatized for it. if enough people do this, society might think again and finally offer private and medical assistance that is more accessible so others dont have to witness any more gorey suicides

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

imo it's pure evil they made every guaranteed painless method into crimes like hiring someone to help you with suicide they made that a crime. in the U.S. it's trivial just hire someone to shoot you with a gun. but they made that a crime.

so if i'm suffering extremely i can't just pay someone to shoot me because they'll and i will be arrested for committing a crime. so it's a crime to want to escape unbearable pain or extreme suffering or extreme torture. i won't be affecting anyone else just me and the assister and the assiter would get paid good money and help someone out of their misery so both win . but no they made that and Nembutal suicide booths etc crimes.

 

[ImnotCTB]

I don't think the government outlawed suicide on purpose in the first place. Suicide being legal would cover up many murder cases as normal suicide. Like poisoning people then forging a suicide note. Those safety precautions are not actually to prevent people from killing themselves but to prevent assassinations. I don't know how many 'suicides' in ancient times were actually suicides and not assassination. The safety precautions doesn't prevent the more experienced people with connections to assassinate, but it will prevent an average person from doing it and reduce the cases.

As for assisted suicides, it will make it simple for a person to kill someone and claim it was assisted suicide and forge some documents or whatnot. Even with video as proof, all it takes is time for someone to make a hyper realistic video.

I don't want people to die if they don't want. I don't want a hundred people who wanna live to die because a single one wished so when it could be without implicating other people

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand just wanting to cease existing peacefully, I see so much cruelty in how I cannot just have that option with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to force and prolong no matter what instead, forcing people to suffer in this anti-suicide prison world is just horrific for me. I'd never wish for this torturous existence, all I want is to never suffer ever again, I just wish to be free from this existence that to me is the most terrible mistake.

 

[EmptyBottle]

imo it's pure evil they made every guaranteed painless method into crimes like hiring someone to help you with suicide they made that a crime. in the U.S. it's trivial just hire someone to shoot you with a gun. but they made that a crime.

so if i'm suffering extremely i can't just pay someone to shoot me because they'll and i will be arrested for committing a crime. so it's a crime to want to escape unbearable pain or extreme suffering or extreme torture. i won't be affecting anyone else just me and the assister and the assiter would get paid good money and help someone out of their misery so both win . but no they made that and Nembutal suicide booths etc crimes.

Tbh, in the US, someone can literally break into a random house, with a replica firearm, and say 'kill me or I kill u' and the homeowner reacts to 'save his or her life'

Or they can fire blanks as they enter, and the homeowner will likely react with their real rounds.

 

[TAW122]

I share the same/similar sentiments as you do too. While I don't encourage brutal methods especially those that directly impact people, I am also not as sympathetic towards the society that we live in (a paternalistic, prohibitive society when it comes to bodily autonomy and the right to die) and believe that the brutal and gruesome CTBs are indeed the result of the taboo, stigma, and other probibition on humane CTBs or even the idea of CTB itself.

As for @shineboy2k15taliban post, it's a possible outcome on the macro scale and even longer term predictions of how society may change (not guaranteed of course), and I suppose when there is a critical mass of people just CTB'ing left and right through brutal means, perhaps society as a whole may reevaluate it's value on "the sanctity of life" and maybe even be more tolerant on CTB as well as loosening it's tight grip on peace means to exit.

@ImnotCTB made a good point about the de facto prohibition on CTB (even though it's not actually illegal, but it may as well be as one can lose their civil rights and liberties under the guise of benevolent paternalism and safety) being on the fact that since (involuntary) euthanasia and even homicide/murder can be easily framed as CTB, the State just puts a blanket ban on CTB in general. Maybe in an ideal world (unlikely though) there could be better differentiations of actual murder/homicide versus those who chose to exit on their own terms (preferably peacefully and not brutally).