FSH Question?

[Catchthebusnow]

Hello! Does anyone have any sense of how *loud* doing the whole hanging over the door with the dumbbell technique is? Like during the convulsions? Is the idea that since you're constrained by the rope, you're right up against the door, so you might rub against it but you're not going to hit it?

Originally, I really wanted to jump from a hotel or AirBNB but finding a suitable place is not working out. When I read about the dumbbell hanging method I thought : maybe this could work? No need to go anywhere? Only thing is, I would be doing it against the door that connects our basement to the garage (on the garage facing side of the door) in the middle of the night, with my dad two floors up in his room…I would try to see if he was asleep before heading down, but if he wakes up … I just can't tell if this is something that would be mostly a lot of scraping / rubbing against the door and unlikely to get saved or whether it's super loud, or what …
Any thoughts whatsoever would be SO appreciated, thank you

 

[Nullm]

Once you jump, you will probably do everything in your power to try get out. so I guess it depends on the material of the door, or the wall around it, and how much noise does it make when getting hit.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Once you jump, you will probably do everything in your power to try get out. so I guess it depends on the material of the door, or the wall around it, and how much noise does it make when getting hit.

Thank you for your reply!! I don't think I will because my brain has been destroyed by psych meds and I no longer experience any emotions, including fear. I can be in life threatening situations and feel total chemical calm (not in a good calm kind of way, but rather like an unnatural brain-dead lack of reaction) no fight or flight, adrenaline, panic, stress response whatsoever. So actually no issue with SI. But I'm worried about the unconscious convulsions that I've heard people talking about… I just can't seem to find good information on how forceful they are, because if I'm just sort of twitching against the door, or a hand strikes the door, maybe that's fine, but idk if they are more than that?

 

[Catchthebusnow]

I'm just so desperate and I need to CTB, I'm trying to draw out / reason out / visualize, if my body is up against the door, whether that effectively constrains my motions / the force I can generate / what I can do to that door, lol in terms of causing noise. I know we're not supposed to use AI for this stuff but I told ChatGPT I'm a "forensic investigator" lol and it seems to think that the movements would be more like rubbing, scraping, dull irregular limb/hand/foot contact … obviously I know not to put my faith in this but it does give me some hope … I just feel like there must be a way to reason this out. This may be the only method accessible to me, and that's not going to change any time soon. I cannot live in this chemically lobotomized state in which I literally cannot feel love for my family, grief, sadness, etc., it's a state incompatible with human life. I'd rather try something even if it's not 100% than continue on in this state … but I'm also not going to try something if it's pretty clearly going to fail … it's just, I would hate to pass on this method because of a concern about being heard that's not rooted in reality.
I've read a lot of the AMAZING information put out there by @JesiBel @AreWeWinning @Worndown
I'm sure you're all super busy but if you have any thoughts whatsoever I would appreciate it so much!
Thanks SaSu

 

[Worndown]

Some peoole go quietly.
Some flop around like a caught fish.
Plan on flopping and banging around. That means being alone for 30 minutes after starting.
Practice your setup. That way, when you have the time, you just grab and go.

 

[JesiBel]

I'm just so desperate and I need to CTB, I'm trying to draw out / reason out / visualize, if my body is up against the door, whether that effectively constrains my motions / the force I can generate / what I can do to that door, lol in terms of causing noise. I know we're not supposed to use AI for this stuff but I told ChatGPT I'm a "forensic investigator" lol and it seems to think that the movements would be more like rubbing, scraping, dull irregular limb/hand/foot contact … obviously I know not to put my faith in this but it does give me some hope … I just feel like there must be a way to reason this out. This may be the only method accessible to me, and that's not going to change any time soon. I cannot live in this chemically lobotomized state in which I literally cannot feel love for my family, grief, sadness, etc., it's a state incompatible with human life. I'd rather try something even if it's not 100% than continue on in this state … but I'm also not going to try something if it's pretty clearly going to fail … it's just, I would hate to pass on this method because of a concern about being heard that's not rooted in reality.
I've read a lot of the AMAZING information put out there by @JesiBel @AreWeWinning @Worndown
I'm sure you're all super busy but if you have any thoughts whatsoever I would appreciate it so much!
Thanks SaSu

Hello!

I'm very sorry you're in a desperate situation. I think it's risky to make an attempt when there's someone else in the house.

You should be alone to avoid being found prematurely (you know, the longer the brain is without oxygen, the greater the damage..); you never know if for some reason he might wake up and try to find you.

Suspicious movements during the night are easily audible if you are a light sleeper (footsteps, a door opening or closing, someone moving things or being active)

Regarding noises, it is likely that some sounds will be emitted; the body is against the door, and during the convulsion/spasm phase your limbs could move involuntarily and hit the surface of the door. (We cannot know beforehand what will happen to each of us at that moment; some people exhibit more intense movements, while others remain almost still throughout the entire process). Also, when you kick the chair or object you're standing on, it will also make some noise.

Please, don't rush; being impulsive isn't good. It is advisable not to play with the odds (maybe he'll wake up... maybe not, there's no certainty about this).

It would be better if you could wait for another time, when everything is safer. Even now, in your current state, it is preferable to remain calm and clear-headed.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

@JesiBel @Worndown
Thank you so, so much for the replies!!!!
Ah that makes sense … I guess better not risk it :/

I guess the same would apply for a hotel room doing the over the door trick? Do you think others would hear banging? Would they just ignore ? …

I wonder if I could do one of those doorway pull up bars. I've seen people talk about using the freestanding ones. It's just the doorway ones seem unreliable though. Do you guys know of any other "hacks" like this?

I guess an AirBNB that's like a whole house could work for the over door trick? The only thing then would be if they have cameras inside despite the rule, or noise sensors …

Any thoughts? Thank you so much again for replying!

 

[JesiBel]

@JesiBel @Worndown
Thank you so, so much for the replies!!!!
Ah that makes sense … I guess better not risk it :/

I guess the same would apply for a hotel room doing the over the door trick? Do you think others would hear banging? Would they just ignore ? …

I wonder if I could do one of those doorway pull up bars. I've seen people talk about using the freestanding ones. It's just the doorway ones seem unreliable though. Do you guys know of any other "hacks" like this?

I guess an AirBNB that's like a whole house could work for the over door trick? The only thing then would be if they have cameras inside despite the rule, or noise sensors …

Any thoughts? Thank you so much again for replying!

Yes, it's better to wait. You should have a well-thought-out plan and not act in a "strange" way that might attract the attention of others or alert them. This applies to any method and attempt.

So, don't rush, take things calmly. You can have your method planned to the last detail, and that's all it is; it's just information. An attempt shouldn't be a desperate act. If you feel overwhelmed by negative emotions, stop and recognize that you are being impulsive; a hasty decision made at that moment would not be a good idea.

Regarding the questions..

I think the situation is different in a hotel, since nobody knows you and everyone is busy with their own affairs (especially during the day when there is more activity). You'll be alone in the room, and you can turn on the TV for background noise to mask any suspicious sounds.

The bathroom door could be an anchor point, or perhaps you could find another one in the room. It's hard to know since rooms are usually designed to prevent these actions (ctb); most have completely smooth surfaces without protrusions or bars/hooks.

Personally, I don't find the doorway pull up bars very reliable.. They tend to come loose, or at least that's what I've seen in "funny video compilations" lol I wouldn't use anything that isn't properly and securely fixed to the wall.

The freestanding pull up bar would be a good option, if it is sturdy and of good quality. Although suspicious if you don't exercise and one day you show up at home with one of those. Don't underestimate the people you live with; they know you well.

An Airbnb is also a good option, as you mentioned; (in certain more violent or problematic areas) they might have security cameras. You'd have to check the place.. since it's impossible to know beforehand. I don't think it's legal for them to have cameras inside the house for privacy reasons, I'm not sure about that.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Yes, it's better to wait. You should have a well-thought-out plan and not act in a "strange" way that might attract the attention of others or alert them. This applies to any method and attempt.

So, don't rush, take things calmly. You can have your method planned to the last detail, and that's all it is; it's just information. An attempt shouldn't be a desperate act. If you feel overwhelmed by negative emotions, stop and recognize that you are being impulsive; a hasty decision made at that moment would not be a good idea.

Regarding the questions..

I think the situation is different in a hotel, since nobody knows you and everyone is busy with their own affairs (especially during the day when there is more activity). You'll be alone in the room, and you can turn on the TV for background noise to mask any suspicious sounds.

The bathroom door could be an anchor point, or perhaps you could find another one in the room. It's hard to know since rooms are usually designed to prevent these actions (ctb); most have completely smooth surfaces without protrusions or bars/hooks.

Personally, I don't find the doorway pull up bars very reliable.. They tend to come loose, or at least that's what I've seen in "funny video compilations" lol I wouldn't use anything that isn't properly and securely fixed to the wall.

The freestanding pull up bar would be a good option, if it is sturdy and of good quality. Although suspicious if you don't exercise and one day you show up at home with one of those. Don't underestimate the people you live with; they know you well.

An Airbnb is also a good option, as you mentioned; (in certain more violent or problematic areas) they might have security cameras. You'd have to check the place.. since it's impossible to know beforehand. I don't think it's legal for them to have cameras inside the house for privacy reasons, I'm not sure about that.

Thank you thank you! Really appreciate your reply! Honestly so grateful for this site … it's something I never thought I'd need, and now that I do, it's amazing to have this space.

I was wondering … in terms of the dumbbell + door setup - this is stable, right?? I honestly was so thrilled when I read about it - I was like oh my gosh maybe I CAN do FSH, lol. It's just so different than what I think of as the typical "hanging" that part of me keeps thinking is it too good to be true? Why isn't everyone doing it then? And envisioning doors crashing down, coming off their hinges, etc. makes me wish I studied physics more so I fully understood all this hanging stuff, lol. It seems like there's hollow core doors and solid core? So I think the one in the hotel room would be hollow core so not strong enough? Ugh ugh ugh. That leaves Airbnb, if I was to get a whole house, maybe I could use the door leading into garage which should be solid core. Oh, and I will have to find some way to notify so that people don't have to find the body unexpectedly …
I wonder if the sound of the door method would be loud enough to trigger one of those noise detectors a lot of them have for parties
CTB sure is complicated :/
Again thank you SO much for responding!! It means a lot!

 

[JesiBel]

Thank you thank you! Really appreciate your reply! Honestly so grateful for this site … it's something I never thought I'd need, and now that I do, it's amazing to have this space.

I was wondering … in terms of the dumbbell + door setup - this is stable, right?? I honestly was so thrilled when I read about it - I was like oh my gosh maybe I CAN do FSH, lol. It's just so different than what I think of as the typical "hanging" that part of me keeps thinking is it too good to be true? Why isn't everyone doing it then? And envisioning doors crashing down, coming off their hinges, etc. makes me wish I studied physics more so I fully understood all this hanging stuff, lol. It seems like there's hollow core doors and solid core? So I think the one in the hotel room would be hollow core so not strong enough? Ugh ugh ugh. That leaves Airbnb, if I was to get a whole house, maybe I could use the door leading into garage which should be solid core. Oh, and I will have to find some way to notify so that people don't have to find the body unexpectedly …
I wonder if the sound of the door method would be loud enough to trigger one of those noise detectors a lot of them have for parties
CTB sure is complicated :/
Again thank you SO much for responding!! It means a lot!

I agree, the forum is a very useful place, especially because we can openly discuss various topics, exchange experiences, and feel supported by other people who will understand us without judging.

About the door + dumbbell setup..
Were you able to read this thread? There's a lot of information; it's quite long.

To determine if it's stable, you'll need to test it.
You would have to assemble everything in place and on the side where the ligature would go.. take the rope with your hands and hang from it applying all your weight (do this several times to make sure it is strong).

Important. Check if the door is in good condition, as are its hinges, and if it has a frame (its structural support). Also, you must be able to lock the door with keys or a latch, so that it cannot be opened under any circumstances.
Because if it were to open for some reason mid-attempt.. it would be risky (since you have deprived the brain of oxygen for who knows how long, it is the same scenario as if someone finds you ahead of time).

I think many don't choose the door as an anchor point (for full suspension hanging) because they are too tall. Another drawback is that the rope might not allow them to close the door; perhaps the space between the frame and the door is too narrow and they can't use it as an anchor point.

Hmm, it's impossible to know what kind of door you'll find in the hotel (hollow/solid core)... but for the bathroom, being a humid place, I don't think they'll put a poor quality door that would deteriorate easily... But who knows...

Regarding noise detectors in a house, I understand they activate when the noises are too loud. They are a safety measure for the homeowners, they track sound decibel. For example, they can prevent violent situations, as they will activate if they hear screams, or situations where neighbors might be bothered, such as parties with loud music.

Sorry, almost everything requires a prior exploration of the place. (But it's good, because it prevents impulsive attempts)

 

[Catchthebusnow]

I agree, the forum is a very useful place, especially because we can openly discuss various topics, exchange experiences, and feel supported by other people who will understand us without judging.

About the door + dumbbell setup..
Were you able to read this thread? There's a lot of information; it's quite long.

To determine if it's stable, you'll need to test it.
You would have to assemble everything in place and on the side where the ligature would go.. take the rope with your hands and hang from it applying all your weight (do this several times to make sure it is strong).

Important. Check if the door is in good condition, as are its hinges, and if it has a frame (its structural support). Also, you must be able to lock the door with keys or a latch, so that it cannot be opened under any circumstances.
Because if it were to open for some reason mid-attempt.. it would be risky (since you have deprived the brain of oxygen for who knows how long, it is the same scenario as if someone finds you ahead of time).

I think many don't choose the door as an anchor point (for full suspension hanging) because they are too tall. Another drawback is that the rope might not allow them to close the door; perhaps the space between the frame and the door is too narrow and they can't use it as an anchor point.

Hmm, it's impossible to know what kind of door you'll find in the hotel (hollow/solid core)... but for the bathroom, being a humid place, I don't think they'll put a poor quality door that would deteriorate easily... But who knows...

Regarding noise detectors in a house, I understand they activate when the noises are too loud. They are a safety measure for the homeowners, they track sound decibel. For example, they can prevent violent situations, as they will activate if they hear screams, or situations where neighbors might be bothered, such as parties with loud music.

Sorry, almost everything requires a prior exploration of the place. (But it's good, because it prevents impulsive attempts)

Definitely!! This truly is a unique space.

I did!! It was incredibly helpful and detailed. The images were super useful.

Thank you for the information!! Now I'm starting to wonder whether I should do partial … because of the risk of noise of FSH plus I wouldn't necessarily be able to test the hotel/airbnb setup ahead of time because that would mean sneaking out at night and then returning if it's not good … and I was kind of thinking of the sneak out as a one way trip. If I did partial I could do it at home, test it ahead of time … my dad does not check in on me in the night or anything so the only reason he would be suspicious would be noise, but I feel like partial could be made pretty quiet, if done a couple floors down, maybe in the garage…
One thing that confuses me …
I've read that partial is unreliable because the convulsions can cause the pressure to be released from your neck. But if you were on your knees once you're unconscious isn't gravity pulling you downward to lean forward even more, thus increasing the pressure of the ligature? Wouldn't losing pressure require the convulsions to work against gravity and make you straighten up? Is that possible? I'm also confused because if it's possible for this to happen, then how could there be so many people on SaSu using this method? Then it would seem like attempting partial would be a hugely risky thing, if you could do everything right and then have a random convulsion make you wake up, now in a damaged state … I feel like I'm missing something … if it was truly the case that a random convulsion might end the hanging prematurely, no one would use this method, right?

 

[JesiBel]

Definitely!! This truly is a unique space.

I did!! It was incredibly helpful and detailed. The images were super useful.

Thank you for the information!! Now I'm starting to wonder whether I should do partial … because of the risk of noise of FSH plus I wouldn't necessarily be able to test the hotel/airbnb setup ahead of time because that would mean sneaking out at night and then returning if it's not good … and I was kind of thinking of the sneak out as a one way trip. If I did partial I could do it at home, test it ahead of time … my dad does not check in on me in the night or anything so the only reason he would be suspicious would be noise, but I feel like partial could be made pretty quiet, if done a couple floors down, maybe in the garage…
One thing that confuses me …
I've read that partial is unreliable because the convulsions can cause the pressure to be released from your neck. But if you were on your knees once you're unconscious isn't gravity pulling you downward to lean forward even more, thus increasing the pressure of the ligature? Wouldn't losing pressure require the convulsions to work against gravity and make you straighten up? Is that possible? I'm also confused because if it's possible for this to happen, then how could there be so many people on SaSu using this method? Then it would seem like attempting partial would be a hugely risky thing, if you could do everything right and then have a random convulsion make you wake up, now in a damaged state … I feel like I'm missing something … if it was truly the case that a random convulsion might end the hanging prematurely, no one would use this method, right?

Ohh, Partial Hanging, there are definitely a lot of stories on this forum..

Going straight to the facts, which can be observed, I recommend this thread, which contains videos of real and successful attempts.

The different phases in the death mechanism in hanging are not too extensive, and they do not always manifest themselves intensely.

You can verify this by watching the videos and reading these two research pdfs.

During the rigidity phase, the body will remain somewhat tense (but never too straight as if you were standing voluntarily, that's impossible) and then it return to a state of relaxation (all this occurs when you are already unconscious).

Spoiler: Phases in the hanging death mechanism

(this is not a rule, as I mentioned earlier, in some cases not all phases are observed nor do they last the same amount of time):

Loss of consciousness (approx. in 15 seconds), convulsions/spasms (they occur seconds after losing consciousness or immediately), decerebrate rigidity and decorticate rigidity (they are observed approximately between one and a half minutes after losing consciousness, then the body will become progressively flaccid without tension). There are also involuntary repetitive abdominal movements after the spasm and convulsion phase, which may persist until the end of the rigidity phases. Once the phase of loss of muscle tone has begun, the body becomes almost inert with isolated soft body movements until it is completely still.

When you lose consciousness you lose all muscle strength, so your body will be suspended with the ligature tightening around your neck and gravity + your body weight will do the work.

For this reason, it is recommended to use a self-tightening knot such as the Arbor Knot, which, when weight is applied/a load is added, closes itself to the maximum maintaining continuous pressure.

It's also important to choose a suitable position, where you're not too close to the ground; if you put most of your weight on it or are almost sitting on the floor, it will be more difficult.
(Also, standing up will be easier if you panic. Remember that you will always feel the ligature tightening around your neck for the few seconds you are conscious, and this is where most people abandon the attempt.)

Regarding positions in Partial Hanging, you can read these threads: 1, 2, 3, 4

It should be mentioned that the correct positioning of the ligature is crucial, regardless if it is Full or Partial Suspension Hanging.

I recommend reading everything and doing some preliminary research on the forum; there's really a lot of material, threads, and discussions.