From ppeh-SN & Propranolol

[Asta]

 

[pleasethistime]

sn method getting complicated day by day. 25 pills in addition to sn, antiemetics, antiacids and benzo.
and what good does it do? instant death?

 

[jake3d]

I call BS. The 8chan topic on SN specifically mentioned that one should not only not use but completely avoid proton-pump inhibitors such as omeprazole and any other medication ending in -prazole for SN and that you should skip the anti-acid entirely if you do not have either cimetidine or ranitidine.

The method works good enough as it is and my recent loss proves that quite well.

 

[SinisterKid]

The cocktail of crushed up meds I took 3 yrs ago was enough to knock a horse over and then come back for its partner. It tasted foul, but it went down in one go and stayed down. No anti emetics, just Omerprazole which I have taken for years anyway. So 20gs of SN and a few other goodies should not pose too much of a threat I hope. From what I have read about SN, it works well with pigs so the theory is, it should work well in humans. The actual dosage seems to increase with every different publication and the way it should be done is tweaked as well. Why? Because there is simply not the data available that can categorically state that something like SN will kill you. I trust and believe it will if done right.

 

[littlelady774]

I could actually see where propranolol would help with SN method though.

SN can cause tachycardia and fast heartbeat- Propranolol could help with those symptoms

 

[jake3d]

The actual dosage seems to increase with every different publication and the way it should be done is tweaked as well. Why? Because there is simply not the data available that can categorically state that something like SN will kill you. I trust and believe it will if done right.

There is enough data, you just have to dig for it. The addition of propranolol is indeed interesting from the "peacefulness" aspect of it. But I am still going for ranitidine as my anti-acid of choice.

 

[SinisterKid]

I shall rephrase, there is not enough data that I could find that would support a 100% successful death in all instances of SN poisoning.

Pedantic fcker [joke]

 

[spanishguy22]

could somebody explain the role of propanolol? this is a crucial addition
thank you

i dont care if it needs more pills if the end result will be more reliability.

 

[1234dave]

could somebody explain the role of propanolol? this is a crucial addition
thank you

i dont care if it needs more pills if the end result will be more reliability.

It'll drop yourbp and you'll faint quicker

I call BS. The 8chan topic on SN specifically mentioned that one should not only not use but completely avoid proton-pump inhibitors such as omeprazole and any other medication ending in -prazole for SN and that you should skip the anti-acid entirely if you do not have either cimetidine or ranitidine.

The method works good enough as it is and my recent loss proves that quite well.

Are you definitely sure omeprazole shouldn't be used?

 

[jake3d]

Propranolol is a beta-blocker. It slows down the heart. You can die from it alone btw, but a massive overdose is needed (think Amitriptyline cocktail scale). SN causes tachycardia so I think the propranolol was added to counter this effect and minimize the pain and panic.

 

[phoenitic_riser]

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Thank you for sharing this. Is this from a new version of ppeh or from some exit seminar, etc?

Looks like PN has

1. upped the dose from 15g
2. acid reducer regimen instead of stat dose
3. PPI instead of H2 antagonist acid reducer (some guy on 8ch recommends the opposite)
4. adding another potentiator on top of the acid reducer

Is there any reason provided for these changes?

 

[Echofox7]

Does that i mean i could take propranolol instead of anti acid?

 

[jake3d]

No, that means you can take propranolol OPTIONALLY, to counter some of the uncomfortable symptoms SN gives before you pass out.

The acid reducer has been optional from the start and I still would not use PPI type acid reducer medication with SN at all. It certainly looks like Nitschke himself doesn't have enough data - we might not know exactly what we're doing with this, but it seems to be the same for him.

 

[Roger]

Were we not promised a lot of new information about SN when the June/July PPeH came out ?

 

[jake3d]

I recall something like that. Go ask dr. Nitschke, @Roger. I think we've "monitored" more SN cases on here than he did...

 

[malummo]

Thank you for sharing this. Is this from a new version of ppeh or from some exit seminar, etc?

Looks like PN has

1. upped the dose from 15g
2. acid reducer regimen instead of stat dose
3. PPI instead of H2 antagonist acid reducer (some guy on 8ch recommends the opposite)
4. adding another potentiator on top of the acid reducer

Is there any reason provided for these changes?

exit international site
enter the live stream in the search engine and click on the livestream yudu frame..PM presentation from June 6th
sorry, Nitschke presentation

 

[Roger]

I see "monitoring " by Nitschke as being a fairly rigorous procedure, directly observed, independently recorded, whereas nearly all such cases which are simply reported on this forum are merely a collection of self written progress reports penned by anonymous entities, followed either by silence (which we accept, without further evidence, as a "successful" attempt.
Alternatively, said anonymous entity reappears with explanations of what she/he did wrong.

I am rarely convinced, even to a fairly low standard of a balance of probabilities.

 

[jake3d]

I see "monitoring " by Nitschke as being a fairly rigorous procedure, directly observed, independently recorded blah

Nitschke can't even use a bloody spell checker. I would not rely on his observation skills too much. His information on SN in the PPeH is very, very, very limited and that is a huge understatement.

It is true that he was the one to make SN popular with his PPeH, but medical journals are available going much further back. Whole spectrum from accidental exposure to suicide and even murder.

 

[phoenitic_riser]

exit international site
enter the live stream in the search engine and click on the livestream yudu frame..PM presentation from June 6th
sorry, Nitschke presentation

Thank you for that. I am surprised it can be accessed by non-members (for now).

 

[Neville1]

Propranolol is a beta-blocker. It slows down the heart.
SN causes tachycardia so I think the propranolol was added to counter this effect and minimize the pain and panic.

With SN, the heart rate quickens to compensate for loss of oxygen to brain. Thwarting that, keeping oxygen low, with the propranolol hastens loss of consciousness and death.

 

[Stan]

perhaps @Sammybackflip would either say 'you are kind of on the right track' or 'Stan! Step away from google'. I would prefer a quick heart rate to get the unoxygenated blood to my brain, my rudimentary thinking makes me believe this will bring on unconsciousness quicker. That's not to say tachycardia does not have its own problems as you could get chest pains (but I don't know the severity) or a cardiac arrest (which ultimately isn't a bad thing as realistically you are looking for death).

 

[waitupana]

DM me where to find this to buy with worldwide shipping (to Australia at least)

 

[eve2004]

you should skip the anti-acid entirely if you do not have either cimetidine or ranitidine.

How much ranitidine? Are people having trouble finding it? I picked some up at the pharmacy, 150mg pills... (maximum non-prescription).

 

[John434]

I don't buy any of these changes and complicating something that several here have already passed from, SN, antimerics, and Tagamet are enough, I myself posted my experience with a very small amount of SN, 2.5g and DMSO