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LostHope556

LostHope556

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I did a lot of research to using firearms to CTB some years back when I had a bunch of guns available, figured I'd post it here.

First off, do not use a pistol like you see in the movies. Even if it's a large caliber like a .45 to the head, there is a large chance that you can end up severely maimed and still not dead. Impressively and frustratingly, the brain is surprisingly resilient, but you end up with brain damage.

If you use a pistol to try to shoot, you have a large chance of missing as well and fucking yourself up even more.

Right as you pull the trigger, often SI kicks in and messes with your aim.

If you have to use a gun, the very best thing to use would be a 12 gauge shotgun with something like buckshot or even a hollow point slug. Do not use bird shot, it doesn't pack enough punch. Don't put the gun under your chin, as you have a high likelihood of blowing your face off and still living.

Rather, put the barrel into your mouth, aimed 90 degrees. The goal is to take out the brainstem, which is responsible for controlling your heart and vital organs.

Overall, I don't recommend firearms, but if you must, this would be the best method.
 
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pointlessliving

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shotguns are so long…how does one hit the trigger with the barrel in one's mouth? Any advice?
 
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LostHighway

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I did a lot of research to using firearms to CTB some years back when I had a bunch of guns available, figured I'd post it here.

First off, do not use a pistol like you see in the movies. Even if it's a large caliber like a .45 to the head, there is a large chance that you can end up severely maimed and still not dead. Impressively and frustratingly, the brain is surprisingly resilient, but you end up with brain damage.

If you use a pistol to try to shoot, you have a large chance of missing as well and fucking yourself up even more.

Right as you pull the trigger, often SI kicks in and messes with your aim.

If you have to use a gun, the very best thing to use would be a 12 gauge shotgun with something like buckshot or even a hollow point slug. Do not use bird shot, it doesn't pack enough punch. Don't put the gun under your chin, as you have a high likelihood of blowing your face off and still living.

Rather, put the barrel into your mouth, aimed 90 degrees. The goal is to take out the brainstem, which is responsible for controlling your heart and vital organs.

Overall, I don't recommend firearms, but if you must, this would be the best method.
I just made a post asking what type of revolver has the least kick back. How do you aim a shotgun into your mouth? Man, it's going to be hard pulling this off. Buying the gun alone will be challenging. I may break down at the gun shop. But, if I do this, it needs to work.
 
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Forveleth

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Would love to see citations from your research.
 
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LostHope556

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Would love to see citations from your research.
Understandable, unfortunately I don't have those. These are the conclusions that I came up with years ago, so all the research I did was from back then.
 
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pleasexbexover

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How much do guns usually cost if I'm doing it over the table?
 
gottacheckout

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I've seen single shot shotguns going for $100 and pump action shotguns from foreign countries for less than $200. Made in USA with parts from Mexico is the maverick 88 can be found for $200 or a but more.

Get a gun with an 18 or 18.5 inch barrel to facilitate trigger reach when barrel is in your mouth.

12 gauge is best but 20 gauge (smaller than 12 gauge) will work. I'd avoid the .410 shotguns.

Pawn shops and second hand stores are another place to look for shotguns.

I have a couple hand guns (pistols) but will not use them to ctb. If you already have them and can't get a shot gun then by all means use it. I'd still recommend using them intraoral and not to the temple.

Stay away .22 and .25 guns with the possible exception of a .223/5.56 with a self defense round.
 
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DoomCry

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"Ballistic Truth and the Survival Myth: A Technical Rebuttal to Fear-Based Narratives"

When discussing firearms in the context of end-of-life decisions, we often encounter statements that pose as technical advice but are, in reality, carefully crafted deterrent rhetoric. These narratives rely on selective statistics, horror stories of mutilated survivors, and worst-case scenarios presented as the norm.
This response aims to return the discussion to its proper ground: clinical, anatomical, and ballistic truth—free from moral bias and ideological fog.


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1. "Don't do it like in the movies" – but what do movies actually show?

This phrase is meaningless unless clarified.
Films typically depict three scenarios:

temporal shot (Taxi Driver)

under-the-chin shot (Full Metal Jacket)

intraoral shot (The Deer Hunter, Christine Chubbuck)


Saying "don't do it like in the movies" without specifying which trajectory is being criticized explains nothing.

In reality, failure occurs due to:

low-caliber weapons

incorrect angles

poor ammunition choice

mechanical issues (unloaded weapon, safety on, misfire)


Copying a movie is not the cause of failure—technical error is.


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2. "Only 10% survive" – a real statistic, but twisted into fear

The phrase often cited is:

> "Only 10% of gunshot attempts to the head result in survival."



Statistically correct—but the narrative built around it is manipulative:

> "And almost everyone in that 10% ends up tetraplegic, blind, faceless, or trapped in a vegetative state."



Survival becomes a punishment, not a chance.
But that 10% figure is bloated and misleading, because it includes:

non-penetrating wounds

graze injuries, jaw or neck hits

failed homicide attempts

birdshot wounds removed without surgery

cases like the Trump assassination attempt, where the bullet never struck the skull


If we isolate actual suicide attempts involving:

intraoral shots

close-range, contact distance

medium to high caliber

expanding or slug rounds


…the real survival rate drops to well below 10%, often to zero.
And in the rarest of survivors, consciousness rarely remains intact.


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3. Caliber matters – and the vehicle analogy proves it

We often hear:

> "It's not about the caliber, only about where you hit."



This is technically false.

Caliber defines kinetic energy, which dictates:

tissue destruction

penetration depth

temporary and permanent cavitation

cranial fracture

shockwave dispersion


To illustrate how absurd it is to claim "only angle matters", consider this:

> In a crash, angle matters.
But it's a very different outcome if you're hit while on a bicycle, a motorbike, in a Mercedes, on a freight train, or in a warship.
Same angle, wildly different results depending on the mass and energy of the object.



So it is with bullets. A .22 LR and a .50 BMG do not produce the same effect, even at the same angle.

Approximate energy values:

.22 LR: ~120 Joules

.357 Magnum: ~800 Joules

.308 Winchester: ~3000 Joules

12-gauge slug: ~3500 Joules

.50 BMG: 15,000+ Joules


With such energy, precision is no longer critical—the effect is overwhelming.


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4. "Survival instinct ruins your aim" – no clinical proof

Another favorite phrase:

> "Your survival instinct will make you flinch at the last second."



There's no neuroscientific evidence proving a reliable, measurable reflex that ruins the shot.

And more importantly:

in an intraoral, contact shot, there is no aiming

the barrel is naturally aligned with the cranial base

the distance is zero


Saying "you'll mess it up" is not science.
It's just emotional manipulation.


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5. 12-Gauge Shotgun – where survival doesn't exist

A 12-gauge slug, fired intraorally at contact distance:

destroys jaw and palate

ejects brain matter

fractures the cervical spine

causes immediate neurological death


No documented case exists of survival from an intraoral 12-gauge slug wound.
Not anecdotally. Not clinically.


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6. "You have to hit the brainstem" – another reductive myth

Another lie repeated as technical advice:

> "If you don't hit the brainstem, you'll survive."



This is false.

Autopsies show that fewer than 10% of fatal head gunshots directly hit the brainstem.
And yet, death occurs from:

destruction of both hemispheres

trauma to thalamus, limbic system, midbrain

catastrophic rise in intracranial pressure


The brain is not resilient. It's vulnerable.
You don't need neurosurgical precision—just sufficient energy.


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7. The final stronghold of fear: "But what if…?"

When all arguments fail, we're left with panic-mongering:

"What if the weapon jams?"

"What if it's unloaded?"

"What if the cartridge is damp?"

"What if you forgot the safety?"


All technically possible—but statistically negligible when the weapon is maintained and properly prepared.

These are not precautions.
They are tactical injections of doubt, meant to paralyze.


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Conclusion

Modern deterrence doesn't say "don't do it."
It says:

> "It won't work."
"You'll survive—ruined."
"You'll miss."
"You'll suffer more."



But none of that is physics.
None of that is trauma science.

Ballistics doesn't lie.
Anatomy has no ideology.
Neurons don't respond to moral panic.

If someone seeks truth, they deserve facts—not filtered threats.
 
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