Existensialism

[snooperdooper]

Anybody have that point in depression where you realize this is more likely than not your one shot? I deal a lot with fantasies and daydreams, so I have a lot of scenarios in my head that keep me happy. I really want to live them out someday, some afterlife similar to the good place where you can play out any scenario you'd like. And the thought that this is my one shot fills me with immense dread. I can't overstate how badly I want to live out these fantasies. The thought of an eternal nothingness afterwards just completely breaks me.

 

[miq2k]

don't waste your life now, you don't know what happens after death. But you know what can happen today.

 

[snooperdooper]

don't waste your life now, you don't know what happens after death. But you know what can happen today.

What causes me so much anguish is physical and unchanging. Those types of inspiring words just don't really hit for me.

 

[miq2k]

What causes me so much anguish is physical and unchanging. Those types of inspiring words just don't really hit for me.

I don't mean it that way. You dream about a life after this one, but you only know this one. You trap yourself, I know what you mean I really do, but please question your way of thinking. It's self-reinforcing and repetitive. How is your only hope the one after death, where we don't even know if there are opportunities for us anymore. Unlike now, unlike a today and a tomorrow where there are chances, there is change, after death is just a constant emptiness as far as we can tell. It could be different, in which case I'd be glad for you and me, but we don't know that.

 

[getoutgirl]

Philosopher Fred Durst once said:

I think this can apply in a similar sense to the afterlife.
You can obsess over it if you have no other way to cope. I get that. I also get the dread of finding out this is your one shot, and it's these the circumstances you were dealt.
I think existentialism offers a few next steps to go from there, it doesn't have to end in dread. But yes I get it. Anfd for someone who'd like to live so bad such as yourself, to live like you'd want to but feel unable to... it is quite a dilemma yeah.
Fred Durst also said "It's amazing how, over time, a person's perspective can be altered." so hey... maybe some day you get to live another fantasy, a different one, but that by then you are happy to live. In your state you can't imagine that, but who knows. Fred Durst is pretty smart after all maybe he had a point there.
Hugs <3

 

[snooperdooper]

I don't mean it that way. You dream about a life after this one, but you only know this one. You trap yourself, I know what you mean I really do, but please question your way of thinking. It's self-reinforcing and repetitive. How is your only hope the one after death, where we don't even know if there are opportunities for us anymore. Unlike now, unlike a today and a tomorrow where there are chances, there is change, after death is just a constant emptiness as far as we can tell. It could be different, in which case I'd be glad for you and me, but we don't know that.

There's nothing I find enjoyable with this life, in this body. I don't have any aspirations, in fact I feel disgusting doing anything other than the most basic movements to keep myself alive and a functioning member of society. Yes, I could probably reverse that line of thinking. But it'd come with years of mental anguish and suffering and struggle. I truly from the bottom of my heart don't believe what comes after that would make up for that struggle.

I'm going to end up at the same place no matter if I die tomorrow or slog through the next 60 years. There are people here who have explored the latter option and they are still here. Where is their opportunity?

Philosopher Fred Durst once said:
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I think this can apply in a similar sense to the afterlife.
You can obsess over it if you have no other way to cope. I get that. I also get the dread of finding out this is your one shot, and it's these the circumstances you were dealt.
I think existentialism offers a few next steps to go from there, it doesn't have to end in dread. But yes I get it. Anfd for someone who'd like to live so bad such as yourself, to live like you'd want to but feel unable to... it is quite a dilemma yeah.
Fred Durst also said "It's amazing how, over time, a person's perspective can be altered." so hey... maybe some day you get to live another fantasy, a different one, but that by then you are happy to live. In your state you can't imagine that, but who knows. Fred Durst is pretty smart after all maybe he had a point there.
Hugs <3

I hear Fred durst writes some pretty good poems too

 

[miq2k]

There's nothing I find enjoyable with this life, in this body. I don't have any aspirations, in fact I feel disgusting doing anything other than the most basic movements to keep myself alive and a functioning member of society. Yes, I could probably reverse that line of thinking. But it'd come with years of mental anguish and suffering and struggle. I truly from the bottom of my heart don't believe what comes after that would make up for that struggle.

I'm going to end up at the same place no matter if I die tomorrow or slog through the next 60 years. There are people here who have explored the latter option and they are still here. Where is their opportunity?

As tragic as life is, you don't make it much better by wallowing in sadness.. of course this is valid, but if it did you any good thinking this way then you wouldn't complain. You'd be content in it, you wouldn't notice because it would count as mundane and normal. But you seek more, and you can do more, even in the position you may be in… I admit I cant know though, I can only speak from my personal experience. I might be wrong. In that case, I'm sorry for mischaracterizing your problems. But if I'm not wrong, please at the very least consider that things could be even just a little different.

Besides that, I would like to say.. death isn't always tragic. Our lives may all just have been lives, but it's the experience in them that makes it worthwhile and the changes that happen and the experience that make it what it is. Death isnt always tragic end to it, but resolution to every bad thing that happens in those lives. You seem to view it as though life can only be pleasant if certain ideals are met, I agree, but it can also be pleasant through small things, appreciation, beauty, and the acceptance of whatever suffering comes with it because that's just the experience of being human, bitterness won't change the experience of life to a positive, appreciation can.

 

[snooperdooper]

As tragic as life is, you don't make it much better by wallowing in sadness.. of course this is valid, but if it did you any good thinking this way then you wouldn't complain. You'd be content in it, you wouldn't notice because it would count as mundane and normal. But you seek more, and you can do more, even in the position you may be in… I admit I cant know though, I can only speak from my personal experience. I might be wrong. In that case, I'm sorry for mischaracterizing your problems. But if I'm not wrong, please at the very least consider that things could be even just a little different.

Besides that, I would like to say.. death isn't always tragic. Our lives may all just have been lives, but it's the experience in them that makes it worthwhile and the changes that happen and the experience that make it what it is. Death isnt always tragic end to it, but resolution to every bad thing that happens in those lives. You seem to view it as though life can only be pleasant if certain ideals are met, I agree, but it can also be pleasant through small things, appreciation, beauty, and the acceptance of whatever suffering comes with it because that's just the experience of being human, bitterness won't change the experience of life to a positive, appreciation can.

I read all of this multiple times over and I don't think you're arguing against what I said. I understand where you are coming from and the purpose of your words but I don't understand how you related all of that to any of what I said.

 

[evilblondegirl]

There's nothing I find enjoyable with this life, in this body. I don't have any aspirations, in fact I feel disgusting doing anything other than the most basic movements to keep myself alive and a functioning member of society. Yes, I could probably reverse that line of thinking. But it'd come with years of mental anguish and suffering and struggle. I truly from the bottom of my heart don't believe what comes after that would make up for that struggle.

I'm going to end up at the same place no matter if I die tomorrow or slog through the next 60 years. There are people here who have explored the latter option and they are still here. Where is their opportunity?

I hear Fred durst writes some pretty good poems too

I can really relate to the first part I hope we are able to find peace after death

 

[miq2k]

I read all of this multiple times over and I don't think you're arguing against what I said. I understand where you are coming from and the purpose of your words but I don't understand how you related all of that to any of what I said.

"I'm going to end up at the same place no matter if I die tomorrow or slog through the next 60 years" relates to the last part of the paragraph, you seem to view it as if it's a curse ("The thought of an eternal nothingness afterwards just completely breaks me.") meanwhile I view the eternal nothingness as resolution. And the first paragraph relates to "There's nothing I find enjoyable with this life, in this body. I don't have any aspirations, in fact I feel disgusting doing anything other than the most basic movements to keep myself alive and a functioning member of society." Because I think, that there could be so much more, I think, you can do things or find things to do even when they're super small that could make you more comfortable being alive and enjoying the time you have available.
60 years. Thats a lot of time for all us small humans, it's pointless and painful, but thats no reason to view the endurance and resilience that comes from it as a complete negative, and no reason to belittle what can be nice. You dint even give it a chance.
I think here is our difference. I think I can only guarantee this life, and death is a calm goodbye from all the pain I will experience next to all the pleasures. Meanwhile you described this life as painful and pointless, so only the latter could be full of the opportunities and hope to live

Do I sound harsh…? I feel like I sound harsh but I don't mean it that way at all :*

 

[hell toupee]

Anybody have that point in depression where you realize this is more likely than not your one shot? I deal a lot with fantasies and daydreams, so I have a lot of scenarios in my head that keep me happy. I really want to live them out someday, some afterlife similar to the good place where you can play out any scenario you'd like. And the thought that this is my one shot fills me with immense dread. I can't overstate how badly I want to live out these fantasies. The thought of an eternal nothingness afterwards just completely breaks me.

I have several posts on these forums about what I believe happens after death - including a paper I attached to a recent post that explains exactly what you might expect. I'm not saying these are facts, but they are what I believe and the reason I believe it is it presents no contradictions the way that most religions and philosophy often does.

As to the bolded part above, I can't believe what I am reading. You just described me perfectly. My entire life has been spent inside my own head. I often shied away from doing things IRL, because the fantasy of it I could construct in my head always played out the way I wanted it to, and I would have this subconsious fear that if I did attempt whatever the fantasy was, I would end up disappointed.

For example, when I was a teenager I really wanted an old muscle car, Since I couldn't afford it, I'd listen to music or go to bed at night fantasizing, or constructing scenarios in my head, of already having the car and what I would do to it to fix it up, etc. Instead of going out in the real world and trying to make it happen, I would tell myself that it wasn't going to happen, or, at the first obstacle, I'd just give up, content on the fantasy. Maybe content is the wrong word here, as I really did want to make it happen and wanted nothing more than to be driving around in my muscle car, but I accepted that I would probably never be able to get one. And many, many things in my life played out like this.

Subsequently, this makes me suffer from paralysis by analysis. It makes it tough to make a decision, because I keep going back and forth about my options,

Now, I'm making it sound a little extreme, but I definitely have lived in my own head for most of my life.

If you are interested in what I've written, as I'm sure most people are sick and tired of it by now, just PM me, and I'll link you to something that might just change your perspective on what existence actually is.

 

[Off_Switch]

I don't believe in conscious nothingness after death. I believe in absence of consciousness after death. An absence that will prevent me from caring whether or not I lived my life to it's fullest potential. I'm tired of striving for things that may or (more than likely) may not happen for me. I just want to cut to the chase, which is that one day I will be gone regardless. So nothing that I accomplish in this life will matter.