Excess rope and Hanging questions

[cakedog]

Hi everyone i'm new here and i just wanted to ask some questions about the rope excess and hanging that i didn't see discussed in here
I heard that one way to bypass the excess rope problem was to tie the rope to a trunk but i still have some worries with it for example what knot should i use to attach the rope to the trunk and what if it slips?
this is the way i picture it


i'm afraid of the rope slipping in theory i guess it should only had an open end (picture 2) but i'm afraid the unkotting/unraveling of the rope on the trunk would pull with force the anchor knot which will untie it and leave me alive

cutting the rope instead of attaching it to the trunk will seem to solve this issue but i'm afraid that by cutting it i will mess with the weight limit some ropes are like 30-50ft long with a working load of 250-500 pounds and i'm afraid that by minimizing the rope the working limit will go below my weight and it will make the rope unusable

also i have some questions about the knot i will be using an arbor knot for the anchor and a regular noose but i heard that the noose on its self is a little unreliable so i should use a stopper knot on the noose as well so i'll be using an arbor knot on both the anchor and my neck?
and finally i heard that people should hang on the crotch of the branch because it's less likely to bend but i'm afraid of grabbing the trunk out of fear/impulsivity and delaying my death
i hear people say you should cuff/tie your hands but then how am i going to secure the noose on my neck?

sorry for the wall of text btw i just don't want to mess this up

 

[happy2die]

i'm afraid of the rope slipping in theory i guess it should only had an open end (picture 2) but i'm afraid the unkotting/unraveling of the rope on the trunk would pull with force the anchor knot which will untie it and leave me alive

if I'm understanding this correctly, you should tie around the trunk and a knot around the branch that won't unravel with the force of you. After you pass out there will be a lot of dynamics forces on the rope so if you think tying it around the trunk will unravel the rope, either don't tie it around the trunk or use a different knot for the branch (I'm not familiar with the anchor knot so I apologize if this doesn't make sense

cutting the rope instead of attaching it to the trunk will seem to solve this issue but i'm afraid that by cutting it i will mess with the weight limit some ropes are like 30-50ft long with a working load of 250-500 pounds and i'm afraid that by minimizing the rope the working limit will go below my weight and it will make the rope unusable

cutting the rope doesn't change the working load. Working load is related to the thickness of the rope. Additionally, companies tend to put a lower working limit than what they advertise but that varies by company so take this with a grain of salt. Just make sure that the working limit is at least 2 times your weight since, like i said, you will be moving a lot after you pass out and you will then become a dynamic object, increasing and decreasing tension on the rope.

also i have some questions about the knot i will be using an arbor knot for the anchor and a regular noose but i heard that the noose on its self is a little unreliable so i should use a stopper knot on the noose as well so i'll be using an arbor knot on both the anchor and my neck?

As long as the noose around your neck tightens under pressure you're good. the knot on the anchor just needs to stay sturdy. I'd suggest one that doesn't tighten under pressure like a noose to reduce the length that you're lowered. I will also be using a stopper

and finally i heard that people should hang on the crotch of the branch because it's less likely to bend but i'm afraid of grabbing the trunk out of fear/impulsivity and delaying my death
i hear people say you should cuff/tie your hands but then how am i going to secure the noose on my neck?

I'd assume they'd secure it first and then cuff their hands.

sorry for the wall of text btw i just don't want to mess this up

better safe than sorry! I hope what I said was useful. I'm not too sure about the knots since I'm not familiar with what they are so sorry if it didn't really answer your question.

 

[cakedog]

if I'm understanding this correctly, you should tie around the trunk and a knot around the branch that won't unravel with the force of you. After you pass out there will be a lot of dynamics forces on the rope so if you think tying it around the trunk will unravel the rope, either don't tie it around the trunk or use a different knot for the branch (I'm not familiar with the anchor knot so I apologize if this doesn't make sense



cutting the rope doesn't change the working load. Working load is related to the thickness of the rope. Additionally, companies tend to put a lower working limit than what they advertise but that varies by company so take this with a grain of salt. Just make sure that the working limit is at least 2 times your weight since, like i said, you will be moving a lot after you pass out and you will then become a dynamic object, increasing and decreasing tension on the rope.

As long as the noose around your neck tightens under pressure you're good. the knot on the anchor just needs to stay sturdy. I'd suggest one that doesn't tighten under pressure like a noose to reduce the length that you're lowered. I will also be using a stopper

I'd assume they'd secure it first and then cuff their hands.



better safe than sorry! I hope what I said was useful. I'm not too sure about the knots since I'm not familiar with what they are so sorry if it didn't really answer your question.

thanks for replying i guess i don't have to worry about cutting the rope anymore
still don't know if i should hang around the crotch i will have to check the trees thickness and make a decision about this if it's the best i will probably tie my hands with the remaining slack of rope i removed
thanks a lot friend

 

[AreWeWinning]

I heard that one way to bypass the excess rope problem was to tie the rope to a trunk but i still have some worries with it for example what knot should i use to attach the rope to the trunk and what if it slips?
this is the way i picture it

i'm afraid of the rope slipping in theory i guess it should only had an open end (picture 2) but i'm afraid the unkotting/unraveling of the rope on the trunk would pull with force the anchor knot which will untie it and leave me alive

I think you're confusing the issue of excess rope with the issue of how you secure your rope to the anchor point. These are separate concerns.

If you secure your rope to the branch with a reliable knot, it doesn't really matter what you do with the excess rope. You can use any knot to tie the rope to the branch, as long as it's a strong, secure knot. If the branch is out of reach, that somewhat limits your options, but otherwise it's not a problem.

You can also secure your rope to the trunk. In this case, you would just throw the rope over the branch and then tie the end to the trunk. There would be no knot around the branch, and the rope would slide freely. Arborists call this a base anchor. For example, you can use a Running Bowline to tie it. Here is a video that explains how to do this. It's a simple idea, and it works. The rope won't slip. There are ways to complicate this, but the basic idea is simple, and it's best to keep it simple.

cutting the rope instead of attaching it to the trunk will seem to solve this issue but i'm afraid that by cutting it i will mess with the weight limit some ropes are like 30-50ft long with a working load of 250-500 pounds and i'm afraid that by minimizing the rope the working limit will go below my weight and it will make the rope unusable

You can cut the rope if it's too long. It won't reduce the working load limit. If you cut it, burn the ends after cutting so that they don't fray.

However, I wouldn't cut the rope if it's only slightly longer than necessary. It's good to have some excess rope. Cut it only if it's so long that it's causing you major trouble – for example, if you need about 5–10 meters, and your rope is 30 meters long. You get the idea.

also i have some questions about the knot i will be using an arbor knot for the anchor and a regular noose but i heard that the noose on its self is a little unreliable so i should use a stopper knot on the noose as well so i'll be using an arbor knot on both the anchor and my neck?

Yes, the Noose Knot in itself can be unreliable. It tends to slip. I've tested it myself, and you can too. If you apply a lot of weight, it can keep slipping until it completely unties itself. This is why you need a stopper knot. A Noose Knot + a stopper knot is essentially an Arbor Knot. Tie the stopper knot as close to the Noose Knot as you can to prevent any slippage.

You can use the Arbor Knot on both sides. This is fine. Or, you can use the Arbor Knot for your neck, and a different knot for tying the rope to the anchor point. This is fine too.

and finally i heard that people should hang on the crotch of the branch because it's less likely to bend but i'm afraid of grabbing the trunk out of fear/impulsivity and delaying my death
i hear people say you should cuff/tie your hands but then how am i going to secure the noose on my neck?

Yes, the branch is stronger at its base, close to the trunk. However, if it's a strong, thick branch, this might not matter. You can test it by grabbing it with your hands and hanging from it.

Tying your hands is a good option if you're afraid you'll grab the tree's trunk (or the branch, or anything). Tying your hands would come after securing the noose around your neck. First, you prepare everything, put your noose around your neck, etc. Once everything is ready, you tie your hands as the last step, just before kicking your support over. Using a rope for tying your hands might be tricky. I would use zip ties instead.

 

[cakedog]

I think you're confusing the issue of excess rope with the issue of how you secure your rope to the anchor point. These are separate concerns.

If you secure your rope to the branch with a reliable knot, it doesn't really matter what you do with the excess rope. You can use any knot to tie the rope to the branch, as long as it's a strong, secure knot. If the branch is out of reach, that somewhat limits your options, but otherwise it's not a problem.

You can also secure your rope to the trunk. In this case, you would just throw the rope over the branch and then tie the end to the trunk. There would be no knot around the branch, and the rope would slide freely. Arborists call this a base anchor. For example, you can use a Running Bowline to tie it. Here is a video that explains how to do this. It's a simple idea, and it works. The rope won't slip. There are ways to complicate this, but the basic idea is simple, and it's best to keep it simple.



You can cut the rope if it's too long. It won't reduce the working load limit. If you cut it, burn the ends after cutting so that they don't fray.

However, I wouldn't cut the rope if it's only slightly longer than necessary. It's good to have some excess rope. Cut it only if it's so long that it's causing you major trouble – for example, if you need about 5–10 meters, and your rope is 30 meters long. You get the idea.



Yes, the Noose Knot in itself can be unreliable. It tends to slip. I've tested it myself, and you can too. If you apply a lot of weight, it can keep slipping until it completely unties itself. This is why you need a stopper knot. A Noose Knot + a stopper knot is essentially an Arbor Knot. Tie the stopper knot as close to the Noose Knot as you can to prevent any slippage.

You can use the Arbor Knot on both sides. This is fine. Or, you can use the Arbor Knot for your neck, and a different knot for tying the rope to the anchor point. This is fine too.



Yes, the branch is stronger at its base, close to the trunk. However, if it's a strong, thick branch, this might not matter. You can test it by grabbing it with your hands and hanging from it.

Tying your hands is a good option if you're afraid you'll grab the tree's trunk (or the branch, or anything). Tying your hands would come after securing the noose around your neck. First, you prepare everything, put your noose around your neck, etc. Once everything is ready, you tie your hands as the last step, just before kicking your support over. Using a rope for tying your hands might be tricky. I would use zip ties instead.

thanks a lot
thanks for the video too i will probably just cut the rope but i'll learn how to attach it to the trunk just in case