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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
7,194
This is a recurring thought that I have subconsciously from time to time, especially throughout most of my sentient life. While death is something that is often viewed by the majority of people, the general populace, mainstream society and it's institutions as a 'bad' event, state (of being), or thing, it is not always that way, especially in the lens and perspective of the universe (a non-sentient entity). This is because death and non-sentience is the state of nothingness and void. Numerically, the number 'zero' itself would be considered a neutral value, neither negative nor positive. It is only negative because most of mainstream society and the general populace assign a 'positive' value to sentience or life itself by reason of "the sanctity of life" and "sacredness of life", etc. which are subjective values and in the eyes of the universe hold no such value.. However, for us pro-choicers and how we view life in an objective sense, we generally view it as an non-consensual, involuntary imposition of the state of being that causes harm, so to extinguish this harm (putting an end to sentience by our own hands, on our own terms, via CTB), it can be considered a positive thing.

Given this view point as well as my paradigm on death, I often think about the fact that if someone older than me or other than me 'outlived' me, at least I've accomplished many things that are considered benevolent (from this view), even if most of the world, our day to day peers, and most of mainstream society disagrees. For example, if someone who was born in the 70's (by now they are in their mid 50's) and they outlive me (I'm in my mid 30's and assuming I CTB around that age..), then that means I've in a sense "won" because I would not be suffering through the decades and while they outlive me, they may still have fleeting pleasures and joy, with many years of mundanity, and also the possibility of By this I mean several things that I would consider benevolent, great, and more positive than negative outcomes.

These benefits are:
1) Not having to endure further complications of old age and other kinds of physical and psychological ailments of aging, the twilight years.
2) Going on one's own terms (via CTB) allows for one to control the manner in which one passes instead of allowing the universe or other events dictate one's own fate.
3) Going (preferably and ideally) on a high note avoids further and future disappointment.
4) The end to all present (and future) torment, suffering, anguish, disappointment, and while it may be the end of all future (fleeting) pleasures, it is irrelevant since there can be no sensation or experience of the deprivation of joy.
5) No more gambling and taking a 'risk' for the future, there is nothing more to 'nothingness'.
6) While the lack of justice itself from the wrongs of others may seem like a loss, it is irrelevant as one cannot be harmed by just nothingness.

While there are more things that I could speak of, this is just a thread of some idea I had that changed my relationship with death and non-sentience itself. It has really flipped my views of existence and sentience itself, broken the shackles of societal hold and sentient slavery. While there are more things I could say, it is just a simple thread discussing about an idea that shaped my worldview with regards to death and non-sentience contrary to what most people see. I consider most of us who had similar views or perspectives about death itself have become enlightened. Has anyone had similar views or have seen death in such a particular way?
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I only feel this in as much as when I hear people talk about old age, struggling with working on the run up to and beyond retiring age etc. I think- yeah- that's not for me. I see no reason why I would want to live that long.

I wouldn't feel like I had 'won' though- if I managed to escape sooner. It's more that my life and views on life were different to them, I imagine. For whatever reason, they found enough good in life to see it through till their natural end. Great- that's up to them. But, definitely from my standpoint, the sooner I can free myself of all this, the better.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
3,685
I see my Death as a positive

to me there's nothing in this evil world of lies or in life that is worth even 1 second of the worst constant worst unbearable pain

Death is saving me from any future unbearable pain and from any suffering

others can outlive me and end up old in a nursing home. I worked in a nursing home. it's hell. I would rather be in non-existence

others can outlive me another day working all day to risk extreme torture . I won't I'll be not existing the ultimate bliss
 
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Dante_

Dante_

Global Mod | No future
Feb 27, 2025
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4) The end to all present (and future) torment, suffering, anguish, disappointment, and while it may be the end of all future (fleeting) pleasures, it is irrelevant since there can be no sensation or experience of the deprivation of joy.
5) No more gambling and taking a 'risk' for the future, there is nothing more to 'nothingness'.
Really big reaons for me if I may be so honest. When I was still able to talk to my friend, she expressed once to me that she was afraid more afraid of the future pain she's going to endure living in this world, she also said that experiencing the discomfort that comes with ctb, whatever mins one would have to endure thoroughly outweighed the years of distress caused by life lies in wait, I cant help but think she was right, after years of pain she had to live with, she made that choice in the end for herself, no particular blame should be placed anyone else who decides the same.
 
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shuvuuiadesertii

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Sep 3, 2025
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Not sure my opinion is interesting, and it might sound selfish to some, but i think they don't matter. Other people potentially feeling bad you're gone is not a good enough reason to keep suffering. You should live for yourself, and so die for yourself too.

The love of my life CTB 6 years ago. It still hurts like hell and i miss her every single day, but i never blamed her for doing what she did. Nobody does this lightly, and she did what she felt was the best/only thing to do in her particular circumstances. Any other way of thinking equates to victim bashing in my book.
 
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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
7,194
@Forever Sleep Yeah, that's pretty much my take as well with regards to sentience and what not. Maybe slightly different with regards to the feeling of "won" since there is a small part of me that subconsciously thinks, "well, I don't have to deal with all the future problems", so that to me was like a 'win' from my perspective. Of course, if most other people live throughout their entire lives into old age (to them, they see it as a 'well lived life' and what not), and then pass via 'natural causes' (outside of their own control most of the time) then they do they..

@pthnrdnojvsc good points and yes, I see the lack of experiencing future sentience and old age to be a good thing, especially when reaching the twilight years or even the years where health complications are more prevalent (depending on the person of course). With regards to the nursing home and what not, while I never worked in one, I've known of some people during my lifetime who are there and it is not somewhere I would want to be either... so whenever I check out on my own terms, preferably long before that becomes a reality for me (I'm mid-30s currently), the better it would be. And yes, non-sentience in the long term to avoid extreme torture or risking uncertainty with more suffering is a positive.

@Dante_ Well put and well said. It is good that your friend is now at peace and she avoided a lot of uncertain, potential extreme agony and suffering that comes with old age as well as just whatever horrors that sentience may throw in one's direction.

@shuvuuiadesertii Well said and sorry to hear about your partner/love, and your pain is valid. I agree with you that she did what was best for her and she is at peace, no longer suffering nor have to face extreme agony, torment, uncertainty in the future. And ultimately, she left on her own terms, which is the very core of the pro-choice stance.
 
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