Discussion do you think that people should try to seek help before considering ctb?

[gggy]

feel free to discuss

 

[milknife02]

I said neutral bc my family attempted
to help me via therapy/psychiatrists/etc and that actively caused significantly more damage. If you're a grown adult, you can pull yourself out of it but I've seen it harm more than help too many times to say yes

 

[Jon Arbuckle]

feel free to discuss

I suppose it's at least worth a shot

 

[kinderbueno]

No, if you have no desire to recover then forcing recovery won't do anything

 

[ImTelling]

The only one who should decide what you do with your body is yourself. If you don't want therapy, if you don't want to better yourself that's your decision.

 

[ultrasharpy123456]

If you mess up you'll have to live in a worse condition. Always seek help if you can, mental health and therapy. If not at the very least self-therapy and meditation. And working through trauma. And then proper research on what tool to use and where to do it in the right conditions and then they can kill themselves.

Also, sometimes you need to physically leave a situation. Like if you're going through abuse and suicide may not help because again you can be brought back but in a worse condition.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

It the desire is there, I don't see why not. There is nothing to lose. As long as the suffering is tolerable.

But 45 years is enough for me to clearly see that theere is no help.

 

[Beyond_Repair]

To be completely honest, I think it's really something you have to work through yourself to get better. I don't have much faith in therapists or the mental health industry in general, after having worked in it.

Not to say I don't think it can get better. But I think it comes from within, and even then I don't think it's necessarily a possibility for everyone.

 

[Lady Laudanum]

Yes. In the event of mental illness, CTB should only be an option after concerted efforts to recover have been made and every possible treatment failed.

 

[failure383]

It doesn't make much sense to say you are hopeless or have no other option if you haven't exhausted all realistically helpful options. I don't even think this is a very controversial stance. There are cases, where people are just tired of life in general, but those have another option and are not hopeless. Being tired of life is a very different circumstance from being hopeless, because you actively don't want help or out of your situation, unlike somebody who might would like to live, but lacks another option.

 

[Manfrotto99]

Id say it depends on your reason for cbt. If its circumstantial and beyond your control then help unless it will change your circumstances can do nothing but prolong the pain. Thats not to say that if an opportunity for change arises then i think it should be explored if it can be and not rejected. But opportunities rarely happen when your already down on luck though. If its to do with mental health then the person has a lot more control and i think should exhaust all options before cbt

 

[Forever Sleep]

Like other people have said- if the will is there from them to try- great. Why not try? If not though- I don't think it should be forced on them. I don't think it should be stipulated that a person 'should' do this or that with their life.

That is basically projecting your own value of life on them. That their life will indeed one day feel like it's worth living and fighting for. That the whole: 'it gets better' will in fact be true for them- we don't actually know any of that for sure. Isn't it fairer to talk to them to see how they feel about life? Whether there's any hope still left in them to begin with?

'Should' a person suffering with cancer be forced to have treatment? I think many people would agree that it's up to them. The treatments can be quite unpleasant from what I understand. Somehow though- that seems more acceptable to people. I think because there is a bias to believe that physical illnesses are worse than mental illnesses and- what harm can talking and drugs really do? But- they can cause harm and surely- it should still be up to us on whether we want to risk it. Whether we consider the odds for it working to be favourable. Plus- whether we are willing to keep suffering for as long as they take to actually work- if they will even work.

All of it I think should be up to the individual ultimately. I see no harm in offering various treatments. I see no harm in suggesting to someone that their thoughts may be negatively biased by something like depression- do they want to try treatment for it? Again though- I think it should be up to them.

I did run a poll once out of interest to see how many people had tried getting 'professional' help at one point. Nearly 74% to date here have tried therapy. I think the majority of people do at least try something before giving up...

Poll: How much therapy/ treatment have you received and did it help?

So- apologies if there are other threads that cover this. Plus, I realise I'm kind of looking at three different topics here- How many people here have received treatment- therapy or medication? How effective was it? How does it compare to a website such as this? Still, I feel like all three are...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Ramsay Fiction]

I think too much in black and white for grey area discussion but I will try to throw my two cents in anyway!

If you don't want to recover to begin with, what's the point of pursuing it? I don't think it should be expected for you to try first if you don't want it. However I will also say I recognize the difference between not wanting it and not having the option of it. If you think for even a moment that there's hope, then try.

My pov is of someone who neither wants it nor has the option. I've been failed by those around me my entire upbringing and now as an adult I just don't care. I don't want it, so I won't pursue it.

Apologies if this is particularly rambly, I have a lot on my mind as I write this.

 

[cowboypants]

I think its upto the individual. If they want to try to work things out, why not and if it doesnt workout then they can do whatver they want which is what im doing

 

[GuessWhosBack]

I think recovery should be considered in many cases because the person has yet to figure out whether medication and therapy can work out for them.

Patient should be informed about the risks associated with medication, some can have long lasting side effects that ironically cause suicidal ideation all over again.

There's limits to what medication can do. It can't fix a shit life or remove external stressors for you. So it really depends on the individual situation. If you medicate someone and send them back to a shit life you're just prolonging everything and they'll be back to square 1 soon enough.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I would say yes but it depends when that happens. It's probably not the case that one day someone is perfectly fine, had a good life, is healthy and suddenly the next day they wake up actively suicidal doing everything to kill themselves bc their life in unbearable.

To reach that stage a lot must have went wrong in their life (incl. health issues and the like). It takes a lt to become passively suicidal and it takes a lot more to become actively suicidal.

The longer we wait with seeking help the harder it is to get out of the situation after suicidal thoughts are manifested in our brain.

When it's too late help is often ineffective.

 

[Fate]

Sometimes therapy can work for some people. So it depends. Once you decide to ctb there is no coming back so you have to be sure.

 

[Lost Magic]

I've always maintained that if a person can get help to live a decent quality of life (despite some difficulties) then I would say go for it! The bus will be at the station waiting, if need be. Personally, I have grown very weary of life and I am not keen on the thought of old age and further health complications. But that's just me. Good luck to anybody who can make it though!

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No. We were all born here against our will so we shouldn't be obligated to try and seek help first. We should just be allowed to die peacefully if that's what we want

No, if you have no desire to recover then forcing recovery won't do anything

Touché

 

[lostintheloop]

It depends on the situation. I don't think it should be forced unless specific circumstances (things like acute psychosis, e.g someone jumping off bridge because they believe they can fly and don't actually want to die, but with least restrictive options as possible) .
But I think treatments and support should be offered and encouraged . People should have as many options available to them as possible, including ctb, so they can fully consider the pros and cons of the options and what is best for them personally . Some people just don't want to get better and nothing you can do, therapy is something you have to want to engage in and put the effort in. However, some people ctb because they can't get the support they want and need . So all the options should be offered to everyone but sadly in many places either services give up after limited treatments, too expensive, waiting lists too long etc.
And not all ctb is due to mental illness so sometimes there is no treatment

 

[SoulWhisperer]

I think that most things are worth a shot if the circumstances aren't extreme. If you feel like things aren't working and wish to try to adjust things by all means look for something that could put you back on your way, it doesn't necessarily have to be medicines and stuff at first but even trying to work on your mindset may help some people whose lives aren't completely shattered. No one is anyone to tell you what to do with your life so in the end it's up to the individual whether or not they might seek any form of help. There's never a definite answer to me because every life is different and every mind is as well. I just recommend to think really hard before taking a big decision.

 

[Mlifos & Sitoa]

It only depends to you, you wanna get better? Then try it. You just wanna end your pain or something else? Then no, no one can force you to seek help.

 

[Worndown]

This really is a case by case situation.
For many, seeking help is an excellent idea.
For some, there is no reprieve or good resolution available.

 

[fleetingnight]

In my heart, I feel like yes, everyone should try at least a few things before choosing to die. But, in practice, idk. I think people should give treatment a try, even if they don't feel like it (no motivation/apathy itself can be a symptom of mental illness) But, I don't like the idea of people being forced into anything. Forced medical treatment can be complicated in some circumstances, but I know it can be a slippery slope, and I know how awful medical malpractice/abuse is.

 

[ThatGuyOverThere]

There is nothing of real value to be found in existence, human consciousness was the worst thing to have happened to us as a species. people who are suicidal, are just people who have been driven by the pain of life, to a rational point. In which they realise that this so called gift of life, isn't as much in pleasure as it takes in pain. So I see no reason for those whom have realised this, trying to fall back into the habit of existence through societal pressures. It Is better that we just let those in pain die of there own choices, than try and coax them back with medication & Values.